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Hi Carmel,
YOU: All the above Jodi is a clear message that Paul was introducing the unknown God to these people, not the Father! Who became well know by His Son “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man! Otherwise, this unknown God would have remained unknown, as by himself he could do nothing on earth.
Me: Could you state this in another way, as what you said doesn’t make sense to me at all.
Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.23 For as I passed by, and beheld YOUR devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
THIS GOD gave Jesus his breath of life and He likewise raised him from the dead giving him the breath of life again as well as the PROMISED Holy Spirit, begetting him to be a first begotten of the dead. We are likewise HEIRS OF THIS GOD and His Spirit, being JOINT HEIRS WITH CHRIST. Jesus is also GIVEN dominion overall the works that the Father had made.
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Jesus at the end of this chapter is identified as a MAN who God ordained to judge, giving us assurance by God raising him from the dead.
God promised to make His Son a king over kings to dwell on earth, and no one knows when he will return to inhabit earth except THE FATHER, not even the Son knows. Clearly the God in Acts 17 is the FATHER and Jesus is identified as a MAN who our God raises from the dead and ordains.
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Hi Carmel,
You sad
ADAM Jodi,
WAS THE SON OF GOD ON HIS CREATION THEN HE REJECTED GOD AND BECAME
THE SON god OF THE WORLD:
SATAN!
Satan is not the god of this world.
Hi Pilgrim,
You said : Amen to your post on Yahweh being the unity of the Father, the Son and the Spirit. Very well expressed.
Thank you, glad you thought so.
LU
Satan is not the god of this world.
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.
Re: the god of this world. Some scriptures to think on.
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” 2Co 4:4
“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” Joh 12:31
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness (I.e. in the wicked one).” 1Jn 5:19
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. BUT GOD, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:” Ephesians 2:1-6
But for the believer there is victory: “Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:” Col 1:12-13
At the cross “And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” Col 2:15
“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” Jas 4:7
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” 1Peter 5:8-9
satan the god of this world: more for a very long time
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.(Rev.12)Pilgrim…..You do not have to “do” evil, to experience it, where did I say that , you can be a victim of evil, as many are and still experience it. Is a little child experiencing the raveges of war, committing evil? Is a victim of a robbery committing evil?, No you do not have to yourself do evil to experence it, but you are still experencing it. So you can come to “know” it, rather you do it yourself, or someone else does it to you.
Do you think God the Father Could not have prevented Adam and Eve from sinning if he wanted to? Remember the warning to Adam and Eve was that they were not to “eat”, (take to themselves) of the “tree”, (that produces from “self’) the knowledge of good and evil. GOD told them that to warn them of the consequence of them deciding for “themselves” what was good and what was evil. He forewarned them of the consequences, that would come as a result of them taking to themselves to experience it, they would die. But they could have never gained the true understanding of what Good and Evil was for themselves without experiencing it for themselves, they simply would not gain the “wisdom” needed to be more like GOD the Father. That is why GOD said’ “look the man has become like us “knowing” good and evil”, after the sinned. Had they not eaten they would have never known for themselves truly the difference between good and evil .
God also known that even though they did not eat of it at that time, eventually they would have, so he sent a the serpent to entice them, much like a chemist will add a catlist to speed up a chemical reaction, so God did that with Adam and Eve, by sending the serpent to entice them.
Pilgrim God the Father know from the very beginning “exactly” what Adam and Eve would do, and what was needed to give us a true understanding of what good and evil is. Scripture tells us GOD KNOWS THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, so he knew exactly what his created man and women would do also from the very start, it was all in his plan for us all, for us to become more like him.
Do You actually believe God does not (know) what evil is, Scripture tell us, he not only knows evil, he created it, the same also for good.
Isa 45:7…..“I form light, and darkness: I make peace, and “CREATE” evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Lu and anyone who thinks that Jesus is YHVH,
I hope this post does not go unanswered Lu, as you have not responded to several of my posts that have also showed clearly that Jesus is without a doubt not possibly YHVH.
As said prior, Jesus’s name is Jesus and our heavenly Father’s name is YHVH.
Jesus’s name means YHVH is salvation
Similarly,
John – YHVH is a gracious giver
Isaiah – YHVH has saved
John 10: 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s NAME, they bear witness of me.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
We believeth on Jesus because he speaks our Father’s word, because he obey’s our Father’s commands.
Jesus does not come in his own name He comes in the NAME of our Father.
This is prophecy of Jesus’s words of which he was commanded to say,
Isaiah 61: 1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because YHVH hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of YHVH, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
JESUS quotes this passage, he is the anointed of YHVH who Jesus says is our God, his God and my God, his Father and my Father. YHVH IS THE hallowed NAME of our heavenly Father, and Jesus told us to pray to the Father in His hallowed name.
Jesus does not do works in his own name but in His Father’s NAME, and the works that he does are not his works but are YHVH’s works, the very reason why Jesus says that the works that he does he does so in his Father’s NAME.
Jesus says his Father is greater than all, and what does YHVH say,
Isaiah 45: 5 I am the YHVH, and there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHVH, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things.
All that Jesus does is the works of YHVH, he follows YHVH’s commands, he does YHVH’s will. The prophecy of Jesus’s words was that he is sent to proclaim the acceptable year of YHVH a day of vengeance of our God.
YHVH does all things there is no God besides Him, and Jesus does all things by His command!!!
YHVH made Jesus for to be a light as He held his hand and kept him for to be a light upon a calling to righteousness.
YHVH says,
“there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME“
“that there is none beside me. I am YHVH, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things.”
Jesus says,
“The Father is greater than all“
“YHVH hath anointed me to preach”
“To proclaim the acceptable year of YHVH, and the day of vengeance of our God“
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
“I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
Hi Jodi,
You said:
I hope this post does not go unanswered Lu, as you have not responded to several of my posts that have also showed clearly that Jesus is without a doubt not possibly YHVH.
Jodi, I have addressed this with you many times over the years. Your passages show clearly that Jesus is not the member of the Unity that is the Father. That is something that everyone here already understands. Your passages do not disprove that Jesus is not another member of the Unity of Jehovah, just that he is not the Father member.
Hi Jodi,
Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks to God the Father,
who hath made us
worthy to be partakers of the lot of the saints in light:
John1:1In the beginning was the Word:
and the Word was with God:
and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him:
and without him (JESUS CHRIST) was
made nothing that was made.
DID YOU GET THAT Jodi?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Berean, Pilgrim and t8,
Re: satan is NOT the god of this world in 2 Cor 4:4 as per Irenaeus in his book “Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter 7
Reply to an objection founded on the words of St. Paul (2 Cor. iv. 4).
St. Paul occasionally uses words not in their grammatical sequence
1. As to their affirming that Paul said plainly in the Second [Epistle] to the Corinthians, In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them that believe not, 2 Corinthians 4:4 and maintaining that there is indeed one god of this world, but another who is beyond all principality, and beginning, and power, we are not to blame if they, who give out that they do themselves know mysteries beyond God, know not how to read Paul. For if any one read the passage thus — according to Paul’s custom, as I show elsewhere, and by many examples, that he uses transposition of words — In whom God, then pointing it off, and making a slight interval, and at the same time read also the rest [of the sentence] in one [clause], has blinded the minds of them of this world that believe not, he shall find out the true [sense]; that it is contained in the expression, God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world. And this is shown by means of the little interval [between the clause]. For Paul does not say, the God of this world, as if recognising any other beyond Him; but he confessed God as indeed God. And he says, the unbelievers of this world, because they shall not inherit the future age of incorruption. I shall show from Paul himself, how it is that God has blinded the minds of them that believe not, in the course of this work, that we may not just at present distract our mind from the matter in hand, [by wandering] at large.
2. From many other instances also, we may discover that the apostle frequently uses a transposed order in his sentences, due to the rapidity of his discourses, and the impetus of the Spirit which is in him. An example occurs in the [Epistle] to the Galatians, where he expresses himself as follows: Wherefore then the law of works? It was added, until the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a Mediator. Galatians 3:19 For the order of the words runs thus: Wherefore then the law of works? Ordained by angels in the hand of a Mediator, it was added until the seed should come to whom the promise was made,— man thus asking the question, and the Spirit making answer. And again, in the Second to the Thessalonians, speaking of Antichrist, he says, And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus Christ shall slay with the Spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy him with the presence of his coming; [even him] whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power, and signs, and lying wonders. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 Now in these [sentences] the order of the words is this: And then shall be revealed that wicked, whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the Spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the presence of His coming. For he does not mean that the coming of the Lord is after the working of Satan; but the coming of the wicked one, whom we also call Antichrist. If, then, one does not attend to the [proper] reading [of the passage], and if he do not exhibit the intervals of breathing as they occur, there shall be not only incongruities, but also, when reading, he will utter blasphemy, as if the advent of the Lord could take place according to the working of Satan. So therefore, in such passages, the hyperbaton must be exhibited by the reading, and the apostle’s meaning following on, preserved; and thus we do not read in that passage, the god of this world, but, God, whom we do truly call God; and we hear [it declared of] the unbelieving and the blinded of this world, that they shall not inherit the world of life which is to come.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103307.htm
Emphasis mine
LU
Hi Jodi,
Carmel, the kingdom of the Son is the Father’s kingdom
NO JODI YOU SIMPLY CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH!
THE KINGDOM IS OF THE SON
ETERNALLY!
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him
that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.
where is the Father Jodi??????
GET THIS INTO YOUR CARNAL MIND THAT
GOD IS NOT JUST THE FATHER!
IT SAYS CLEAR READ AND DISCERN:
then shall the Son(SPIRIT) also himself (DESPITE GOD) be subject unto him (GOD THE DEITY)
that put all things under him, (JESUS CHRIST THE GODMAN)
that God( THE DEITY) may be all in all. (EMBODIED IN)
JESUS CHRIST
John 14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou: Shew us the Father? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works. 11Believe you not that I am in the Father and the Father in me?
John16:25…..The hour cometh when I will no longer speak to you in proverbs, but will shew you
PLAINLY of the Father.
Luke 10:22 All things (EVEN AS GOD) are delivered to me by my Father.
And no one knoweth who (GOD) the Son is, but (GOD) the Father:
and who (GOD) the Father is, but (GOD)the Son
and to whom (GOD) the Son will reveal him.
IN HIMSELF :
IN THE EMBODIMENT OF THE SON, JESUS CHRIST
ETERNALLY!
that God( THE DEITY) may be all in all.
VISIBLE IN JESUS CHRIST GODMAN
ETERNALLY!!
that He gives to the Son to rule over UNTIL all enemies are destroyed, THEN our ONE GOD THE FATHER comes down to earth to rule over us as He dwells among us.:
THE ABOVE IS ALL YOUR POOR CARNAL MINDED MENTALITY! WITH EVERY RESPECT!
Matthew 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in
the kingdom of
their Father. (THEIR PARTICULAR FATHER IN FLESH,
JESUS CHRIST GODMAN!)
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until
that day when I drink it
NEW WITH YOU in
my (PARTICULAR) Father’s kingdom.(GODMAN IN FLESH ON EARTH)
In the above Jodi, JESUS DECLARED THAT
HE WILL DRINK AGAIN THE FRUIT OF THE VINE ONLY
ON THAT DAY WHEN HE DRINKS IT IN
HIS PARTICULAR FATHER’S KINGDOM, WITH HIS APOSTLES!
OK Jodi? do you know when Jesus
ATE AND DRANK AGAIN after the last supper?
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO HIMSELF IN HIS OWN PARTICULAR FATHER’S KINGDOM IN FLESH ON EARTH? I TELL YOU:
AFTER HE RESURRECTED AND GLORIFIED AS
GOD AND FATHER OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE John 20:17
ON EARTH
READ AND DISCERN THE TRUTH:
ACTS 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion, by many proofs,
for forty days appearing to them, and
speaking of the kingdom of God.
4And eating together with them, ( Jodi this was the first time Jesus ate and drank of the fruit of the vine after the last supper, in
HIS OWN KINGDOM ON EARTH AS GOD AND FATHER OF HUMANITY)
Now read what I posted on page 62:
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU: A REFERENCE TO THE SON OF MAN EMBODIED IN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ON HIS RESURRECTION, THEN INTEGRATED WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN
JESUS CHRIST GOD AND FATHER OF ALL THE HUMAN RACE JOHN20:17
ON EARTHGOD OF ALL FLESH!
A STATE WHICH SATAN ATTRIBUTED TO HIMSELF ON ADAM SIN.
THE FIVE WILLS IN ISAIAH 14-12-14……..I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH, (ON EARTH)
TILL GOD IN JESUS ON HIS DEATH REVEALED
THE TRUTH.
Jodi, JESUS CHRIST RULED EARTH AT LEAST TILL PENTECOST, AS THE SOLE SPIRIT IN ALL HUMAN RACE
PURIFIED RECREATED ANEW MORE HOLY THAN ADAM AND EVE WERE ON THEIR CREATION.
DESPITE LIVING IN THEIR NORMAL SINFUL WAY! Luke 23:34 And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do…
THROUGHOUT THE DAYS HE REMAINED ON EARTH AND TILL PENTECOST:
JESUS CHRIST IMPLANTED THE SEED OF HIS FIRST FRUIT IN EVERY CONCEPTION OCCURED ON EARTH. we are HIS FIRSTFRUIT, BY HIS OWN SPIRIT.
THE SON OF MAN. GOD’S SEED!
Matthew 13:37 Who made answer and said to them:
He that soweth the good seed is THE SON OF MAN.
38And the field is the world. And the good seed are the children of the kingdom. And the cockle are the children of the wicked one. 39And the enemy that sowed them, is the devil.
CHILDREN WERE BORN OF GOD IN EVERY BIRTH OCCURED ON ERATH FROM JESUS’ DEATH TILL PENTECOST FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME.
John1:13 Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
GOD’S KINGDOM CAME.
GOD’S WILL WAS DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.THE EARTH WAS MORE THAN SAVED AT LEAST TILL PENTECOST!
SIMPLY THE NEW PARADISE:
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee: This day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
While Jesus was dead, the good thief was
WITH JESUS BOTH IN HIS HEART AND
INFRONT OF HIS FACE AS KING AND RULER OFGOD’S KINGDOM ON EARTH!
Matthew 16:28 Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see
the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
HALLELUIAH
Luke 11:2 And he said unto them,When ye pray, (AFTER I DIE AND GLORIFY AS GODMAN )say, Our Father (RIGHT NOW OUR FATHER IN FLESH IS JESUS CHRIST TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD) which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. (OF WHICH JESUS CHRIST FULFILLED WITHIN HIS FORTY DAYS GLORIFIED GODMAN)
Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom,( MY OWN THE KINGDOM OF THE SON GODMAN ON EARTH) as my Father hath appointed unto me; (BEFORE THE WORLD WAS GODMAN IN FLESH)30 That ye may eat and drink at MY TABLE IN MY KINGDOM, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh THE END, when he (GOD IN THE HOLY GHOST) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, ( JESUS CHRIST) even the Father; when he(GOD IN THE HOLY GHOST) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.25 For he (JESUS CHRIST) must reign, untill he (GOD IN THE HOLY GHOST) hath put all enemies under his (CHRIST’S) feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he(GOD IN THE HOLY GHOST) hath put all things under his(CHRIST’S) feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he(GOD THE DEITY) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(JESUS CHRIST) 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,(JESUS CHRIST) then shall the Son(SPIRIT) also himself be subject unto him (GOD THE DEITY) that put all things under him, that God (THE DEITY) may be (EMBODIED IN JESUS CHRIST AS GODMAN IN FLESH) all in all.
JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi LU
Paul seem to say that satan is the god of this world……nothing amazing
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
[4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.(2 Cor.4)Hi Lu,
You are not at all actually addressing the direct scriptures I gave and what they show.
You say that YHVH is the NAME of our One God where that NAME represents two persons, the Father and His Son.
The below shows us that is not possible,
Isaiah 42:6 I YHVH have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
This is JESUS speaking below,
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because YHVH hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of YHVH, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
By Jesus’s anointing with YHVH Spirit he is sent by YHVH to bring out the prisoners who sit in darkness, YHVH through His anointing Spirit has MADE Jesus into a light. Jesus is that light because the Spirit upon him causes him to walk in all YHVH’s ways, whereby thus he does all that YHVH commands him to do.
Isaiah 45:5 I am YHVH, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the YHVH, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do ALL these things.
If what you say were true the above passage would have to mean that both the Father and the Son are speaking as YHVH, as there is none else who is YHVH, no other God besides him. But that is not possible because the Son is a light through YHVH, the Son makes peace through obeying YHVH’s commands, the Son goes to the cross to set us at liberty according to YHVH’s command.
There is no other YHVH and He forms the light, and He makes Jesus for to be a light.
Jesus didn’t say he does works “in our name”, he does it in his Father’s name.
Jesus didn’t say we are to pray to our heavenly Father “Hallowed be our name”.
Jesus says the Lord God YHVH has anointed me, and YHVH says there is no other YHVH besides him, that there is no other God besides himself.
Your passages do not disprove that Jesus is not another member of the Unity of Jehovah, just that he is not the Father member.
There is no mention in scripture that God is a club. On the contrary, we are clearly taught that the Father is the only God. We would do well if we listened to scripture and the words of Jesus Christ himself. If we cannot hear him, then what?
My sheep hear my voice…
This is eternal life, that they may know the ONLY true God AND Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
Hi Lu,
YOU: Jodi, I have addressed this with you many times over the years. Your passages show clearly that Jesus is not the member of the Unity that is the Father. That is something that everyone here already understands. Your passages do not disprove that Jesus is not another member of the Unity of Jehovah, just that he is not the Father member.
ME: Lu, Scripture does in fact show that Jesus is totally separate from YHVH.
As I have said before, Isaiah’s prophecies are not completed, and it is YHVH commanding the son of Jesse to complete them through YHVH’s Spirit being upon him.
THIS is a separation, you have a resurrected man who is a servant to YHVH.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of YHVH shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of YHVH; 3 And shall MAKE him of quick understanding in the fear of YHVH: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
He who judges is YHVH according to His righteousness by a man who He has ordained.
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because HE hath appointed a day, in the which HE will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom HE hath ordained; whereof HE hath given assurance unto all men, in that HE hath raised him from the dead.
Lu, the SON OF MAN is returning to earth to judge not by his own eyes and ears. This Son of Man is NOT YHVH, he is a servant of YHVH. Jesus didn’t ascend to heaven to go back to his glory as YHVH, his glory is as a Son of Man sitting at YHVH’s right hand, who is a Son of God ACCORDING to the Spirit of YHVH.
Psalms 110:1 YHVH SAYS to my lord:“Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”
RECALL — Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
YHVH MADE Jesus into a lord. The Father YHVH didn’t say Son YHVH sit at my right hand, Lu. There is a CLEAR SEPARATION here, and THAT SAME JESUS in Acts IS said in verse 22 to be Jesus of Nazareth the Man approved of by God.
Psalms 110 was a prophecy concerning the man Jesus of Nazareth, where we are given ONE who is YHVH and another who is made a lord by YHVH.
Romans 1:1-4 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, which HE had PROMISED afore BY HIS prophets in the holy scriptures, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Acts 2:32 THIS Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Luke 22:69 But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.”
Lu, Jesus is still a Son of Man, the son of Jesse who is returning to fulfill YHVH’s will, he is a servant of YHVH, a Son of God according to the Spirit that is upon him whereby he is going to follow all of YHVH’s commands. This is a CLEAR SEPARATION where Jesus is not “a member of the unity of Jehovah”.
Hi Lu,
This is VERY CLEAR,
Neh 9: 5 Then the Levites, Jeshua, and Kadmiel, Bani, Hashabniah, Sherebiah, Hodijah, Shebaniah, and Pethahiah, said, Stand up and bless YHVH your God for ever and ever: and blessed be thy glorious name, which is exalted above all blessing and praise. 6 Thou, even thou, art YHVH ALONE; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. 7 Thou art YHVH the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
Mark 12: 26 Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how GOD SAID to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
Acts 3: 13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified HIS SERVANT Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
The God of Abraham is YHVH and he ALONE is YHVH, and THIS GOD has glorified HIS servant Jesus.
Hi Lu,
This is VERY CLEAR,
Psalm 148: 11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth: 12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children: 13 Let them praise the name of YHVH: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven. 14 He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye YHVH.
YHVH makes the son of Jesse a judge.
YHVH makes the son of David a king.
Acts 5:31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.
Acts 13: 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Jesus’s NAME is NOT YHVH, his Father who exalted him to be a judge, a king, and a saviour, is named YHVH.
Luke 1: 67 His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied: 68 “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them. 69 He has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David 70 (as HE SAID through HIS holy prophets of long ago),
Gene,
We know God has foreknowledge. This is not the issue.
Adam was not “knowing” evil as a victim. He knew evil by doing evil, by disobeying. What you are still arguing for is that one has to commit disobedience for themselves, to truly have an understanding of (“know”) evil and that by doing so one gains “wisdom” and becomes like Jehovah in the way he “knows” evil.
Nowhere in scripture does it say Adam needed to disobey to get wisdom. What says the scripture: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Pro 1:7). Jehovah strictly forbad him to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and thereby Adam despised the “instruction” of Jehovah.
Scripture says “For the LORD gives wisdom: out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding.” (Pro 2:6). Adam would have received wisdom and understanding by obeying what came forth from the mouth of God not by disobeying. By obeying Jehovah he would have received wisdom and done good to his soul. “He that gets wisdom loves his own soul: he that keeps understanding shall find good.” (Pro 19:8).
You say “Had they not eaten they would have never known for themselves truly the difference between good and evil” but scripture says “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” (Pro 9:10). Read again how the Virgin’s son knew how to refuse evil and choose good (Isaiah 7:14-16).
It was folly of Adam to disobey, he lacked understanding and showed he was destitute of wisdom not the gainer of wisdom and failed to walk uprightly. “Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly.” (Pro 15:21). “Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.” (Pro 18:1).
Adam’s sin plunged mankind into sin and death but had he received Wisdom as you claim, good would have flowed – “The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.” (Pro 3:19)
Adam, not God, brought sin into the world through obeying his wife who was deceived by the Serpent. That “old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world” (Rev 12:9). “You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (Joh 8:44).
“He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)
As for Isaiah 45:7 “I make peace, and create evil”, this is not the evil of sin; this is not to be found among the creatures God made; rather the evil of sin is of men, though suffered by the Lord, and overruled by him for good: What is meant here in Isaiah is the God’s sore judgments, famine, pestilence, evil beasts, and the sword, or war, the latter may more especially be intended, as it is opposed to peace. All afflictions, adversities, and calamities, come under this name, and are of God (Job 2:10).
Pilgrim…..Adam and Every had no wisdom, that is what they were trying to Get, “when the women saw that eating from the (tree) that which produced from self, would one wise she eat (took) it to her self to experience for her self both GOOD AND EVIL. NOT JUST EVIL BUT GOOD ALSO. What do you think it meant by the eyes of them were opened, to “know” after they ate (took to themselves) to experience good and evil. So will they could “experience” good which brought forth life, they also would have to experience Evil , which brings forth death.
Just as up describes what down is, or right describes what left is, yes describes no, good describes what evil is and evil describes what good is, the are life consists of, both now and for ever will.
Do you actually believe God allows all this evil in this world for no eternal purpose?, Do you think he could not have stopped it at any time he choses to? Every thing being done on this earth has purpose, even Satans influences in this earth is .
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
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