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BEREAN……LIKE I SAID you people just do not believe what Jesus himself said. Nor do you understand that it was God the Father that performed “ALL” the miracles for, Jesus, Moses, Prophets, Apostles have ever done, Jesus even said every thing he did was by the “finger” of GOD . You people worship And preach Jesus as a GOD, YOU ARE IDOLATERS, you desplay and preach and worship Jesus, “as a GOD” , a “LIE” which Jesus will “abolish” at his return, Read it for yourselves 2ths2.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi Pilgrim,
YOU:
Tragically Jodi and Gene not only don’t see that Jesus Christ was the “Lord from heaven”, but see Jesus the Second MAN as of the seed of fallen Adam, a second ADAM, and only becoming the Son Of God at Jordan when he was anointed with the Holy Spirit, with the full measure of the Spirit. This is a different MAN to that which the scriptures testify to.
Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost, declared to be the Son Of God by the Angel Gabriel.
ME:
The Anointed Jesus was most certainly the lord from heaven, as the Anointed Jesus didn’t come of himself he tells you directly, our Father SENT him, that directly equates Jesus to have been SENT FROM HEAVEN. Jesus tells you Pilgrim that he AS THE SON OF MAN is lord of the Sabbath.
You also are told in Acts that Jesus, who died and who God raised up giving him the PROMISED Holy Spirit, was MADE by God our lord and Christ.
Let’s add this biblical FACT into the mix here since I mentioned how scripture directly tells you that Jesus received from our Father the Holy Spirit according to a PROMISE, Paul tells us in Romans 8 that we are JOINT HEIRS with Jesus being heirs of God. Acts tells you that Jesus is a man, the son of David who is begotten by God.
Jesus is an HEIR, as we are HEIRS, he was raised from the dead a HUMAN being given the PROMISED Holy Spirit. This man you are directly told was of God’s word from the beginning. Our heavenly Father brought forth the purpose for His Creation that He had declared before the world began, and Jesus was firstborn of many of that PROMISED PURPOSE which equates to being an heir of God, an inheritor of God’s Spirit where God is ALL IN.
Pilgrim you can’t hold the truth if you treat scriptures as if they were spoken in vain. You say you believe this scripture and that scripture, but your words to me are totally disingenuous because it is evident that you don’t actually APPLY many scriptures directly where they are to be applied to.
Luke’s genealogy tells you directly that Jesus was the son of Joseph, just as people thought he was, and that his genes go all the way to Adam where Adam is said to be the son of God. Matthew also tells you that Jesus is of the genes of Joseph.
Luke 3: 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that “holy thing” which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
holy thing Hagios, most holy thing, a saint
The power of God’s Spirit caused Mary to conceive the PROMISED SON OF DAVID who God PROMISED HE WOULD BE A FATHER TO.
Luke 1 tells you that the child IS THE SON OF DAVID, and that he WOULD BE CALLED the Son of the Highest, 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. …5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Pilgrim, Jesus was BORN KING of the Jews, just as he was BORN the Messiah, just as he was BORN the Son of God, THE CHILD OF THE PROPHECIES WAS BORN.
This child would be king of the Jews.
This child would be anointed and sent to preach God’s word and deliver captives.
This child, the son of David, would be called the Son of the Highest.
Jesus himself and in Acts you are told WHEN Jesus is anointed and SENT. You are directly told that Christ did not COME until AFTER the baptism John preached.
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
The man anointed with the full measure of the Spirit is the Son of God.
The BEGINNING OF THE GOSPEL IS Jesus’s baptism.
Pilgrim read scripture, the adversary in the wilderness and all the people who believed in him as the Son of God believed in him NOT because of his birth, not because they thought he pre-existed as God, but BECAUSE of the Anointing Spirit that was upon him with all the powers thereof.
Prophecy was of the son of Jesse who would come and be filled with GRACE and TRUTH, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, council and might, where he would preach God’s word of the kingdom, perform miracles, deliver the people from captivity.
Luke 22:66 And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying, 67 Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe: 68 And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. 70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them,Ye say that I am. 71 And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.
The Son of man who went to sit at God’s right hand IS the Son of God.
Pilgrim how more clear can scripture be, instead of treating scripture like it’s worthless you need to believe and apply all words together.
John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Really Pilgrim? You want me to turn and believe that the moment the Spirit descends upon Jesus John is telling us that Jesus is the Son of God because of his birth and also not his birth but because he pre-existed as God.
Jesus confirms he is the Son of God as he is the Son of man who is going to sit at God’s right hand.
You and others work so hard to deny the obvious.
JOHN SAW, HE BORE RECORD that whom the Spirit descended upon and had it remain on him is he who is God’s Son.
But you want me to ignore God’s promise unto David that of his sons would come a son of whom God would be a Father to.
You want me to ignore Paul’s words that I am a joint heir with Jesus , and that those who are LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD ARE THE SONS OF GOD, and that THE SPIRIT BEARS WITNESS TO OUR spirit THAT WE ARE CHILDREN OF GOD.
Jesus wasn’t conceived of the Holy Spirit making him a Son of God, to the likes of some pagan demigod. Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, where he was the fulfilled SIGN unto the house of David concerning David’s heir, promised to be an heir of God, promised to be God’s firstborn, to be MADE higher than all the kings of the earth.
BEREAN …… COMME JE L’AI DIT que vous ne croyez tout simplement pas ce que Jésus lui-même a dit. Vous ne comprenez pas non plus que c’est Dieu le Père qui a accompli “TOUS” les miracles car, Jésus, Moïse, les prophètes, les apôtres l’ont jamais fait, Jésus a même dit que tout ce qu’il faisait était par le “doigt” de DIEU. Vous adorez et prêchez Jésus en tant que DIEU, VOUS ÊTES DES IDOLATEURS, vous méprisez, prêchez et adorez Jésus, «en tant que DIEU» , un «MENSONGE» que Jésus «abolira» à son retour, lisez-le vous-mêmes 2ths2.
Gene
You and Jodi in particular demean Christ. You don’t realize that a man cannot be the savior of the world.
Jesus IS THE OWN SON OF GOD(Romans 8:3) …. HIS ORIGIN BACK TO THE DAYS OF ETERNITY.(Micah 5:2)John 8
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
[25] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jews in Jesus’ time do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God from HEAVEN MADE FLESH
They believed like you Gene and Jodi …. see MARKIs not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.(Mark 6:3)
… for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Hi Berean,
YOU:You and Jodi in particular demean Christ. You don’t realize that a man cannot be the savior of the world.
ME: Berean, God says to you directly that a HUMAN IS OUR SAVIOR. You make Christ into a false image, the likes of a pagan demigod. It is sad that you cannot believe what is directly given to you, that our Christ IS A HUMAN BEING who will sit on an eternal throne as the son of David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man (ANTHROPOS HUMAN), Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man (ANTHROPOS HUMAN) came also the resurrection of the dead.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
You seem to forget that Mary was Jesus’ Mother (of David’s seed)
and discount the fact that God was Christ’s Father (God’s seed) (Luke 2:11)Note: He is talking about CHRIST here:
“And he (Jesus) said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son?
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms,
The LORD (YeHoVaH) said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou on my right hand,
43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord,
how is he (CHRIST) then his (David’s) son? (Luke 20:41-44)Hi Berean,
YOU:
John 8
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
[25] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.Berean
ME:
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Micah 5:2 is about how THE COMING of a person from the tribe of Judah who would be a ruler is from ancient of days. THE COMING is from ancient of days not the person is from ancient of days, keep the text in tacked, you are trying to force it to say what it absolutely does not.
THEN YOU TURN AND DENY God’s word that confirms this truth elsewhere.
Isaiah 46 tells you directly that God DECLARED from the beginning that a MAN WOULD COME and execute His purpose.
“And he (Jesus) said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son?
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms,
The LORD (YeHoVaH) said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou on my right hand,
43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 44 David therefore calleth him (Christ) Lord,
how is he (CHRIST) then his (David’s) son? (Luke 20:41-44)Jody,
Are you going to discount even Christ’s own words concerning himself?
shame on you
Hi Ed J,
Not discounting any words of Jesus!
Luke 20:38-45 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said. And after that they durst not ask him any question at all. And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son? And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, untill I make thine enemies thy footstool David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
Ed J, God is the God of the living not the dead, and Jesus the son of David genetically as a human being, is the first begotten of the dead, a Son of many Sons. He was raised receiving the promised Holy Spirit, a Son of God according to the Spirit.
He was also promised to receive a portion among the great and he would dived the spoil among the strong. Jesus is appointed to divide it with David and others, which makes Jesus a lord over his own father David, which is not to the understandable order of things under the scribes. Jesus IS the son of David but he is a master over him, as God chose his firstborn of many Sons to be a king of kings and a lord of lords.
Ed J, God is the God of the living not the dead
Jodi,
Why do you switch to talk about something unrelated to the point I make?
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Pilgrim read scripture, the adversary in the wilderness and all the people who believed in him as the Son of God believed in him NOT because of his birth, not because they thought he pre-existed as God,
but BECAUSE of the Anointing Spirit that was upon him with all the powers thereof.
Jodi WHO BELIEVED JESUS?
NO ONE!
They believed more that Jesus was THE DEVIL HIMSELF than the Son of God!
John 10:20 …He hath a devil and is mad. Why hear you him?
Matthew 12:24But the Pharisees hearing it, said: This man casteth not out devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.
26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself:
how then shall his kingdom stand?
Not even some of His disciples believed Jesus!
Matthew 28:16 16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Satan never believed that Jesus was the Messiah,
only after Judah kissed Jesus in the garden!
The fact that Judah became aware of
WHO JESUS REALLY WAS!
John13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop,
he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27And after the sop
Satan entered into him.
Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Jesus, in the above simply
GAVE PERMISSION TO SATAN, to make him aware that
HE/JESUS HAD POWER OVER HIS OWN LIFE!
TO DO HIS WORK THROUGH JUDAH! WHO FOR YOU IS ONLY A MERE DECEIVER, AND SO ON,
Mark 14:15 And there followed him a certain young man,
having a linen cloth cast about
his naked body;
and the young men laid hold on him: 52And he left the linen cloth, and
fled from them naked.
Jodi the above man,
NAKED WAS SATAN, WHOM JESUS REMOVED FROM JUDAH!
SIMPLY LIKE SAYING TO HIM!
HERE YOU ARE,
YOU WANT TO BE A MAN, I MAKE YOU
A MAN ONLY TILL I DIE,
a mere few hours! Luke 17:34 I say to you: In that night( JESUS’ DEATH) there shall shall be two men in one bed. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left.
Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the ancients and by the high priests and the scribes: and
be killed and after three days( HE HIMSELF, AS GODMAN IN CHRIST) rise (JESUS’BODY) again.
32And he spoke the word openly. And ( SATAN THROUGH) Peter taking him began to rebuke him.
SATAN REJECTED JESUS’ TRUTH THAT HE WAS GOD AS A HUMAN IN JESUS, AND
THAT HE WILL RISE AGAIN!
SATAN BELIEVED THAT ONCE JESUS DIES, HE WILL REMAIN THE ABSOLUTE RULER ON EARTH EMBODIED AS
MAN.
The fact that HE WILL COME simply to be eradicated forever!
33Who turning about and seeing his disciples, threatened Peter, saying:
Go behind me, Satan, because thou savourest(ENJOY) not the things that are of God
but that are of men.
Jodi, Satan up to that moment in time HE CONSIDERED HIMSELF
AUTONOMOUS, NOT SUBJECT TO GOD!
HE BELIEVED THAT JESUS WAS HE HIMSELF
THE ANTICHRIST
THE FACT THAT JUDAH/SATAN KISSED JESUS!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
It’s actually pretty simple:
A Jesus, through Mary was the son of David
B Christ through God’s HolySpirit was the son of GodA Jesus was the bread of life that came from the Earth
“As for the earth, out of it cometh bread (Jesus)” (Job 28:5)B Christ was the bread from Heaven that was born in Bethlehem
“I (Christ) am the living bread which came down from heaven” (John 6:51)(compare John 6:51 to Micah 5:2)
“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of
Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)Ed J, I cant read your thoughts, you say shame on you asserting that I’m discounting Jesse’s own words and all you do is give me a passage.
I respond by giving you that same passage adding what comes just prior to it so we see more of the context, and then I talk about that passage to shown you that I don’t in fact discredit those words Jesus spoke.
Ed J, I cant read your thoughts, you say shame on you asserting that I’m discounting Jesse’s own words and all you do is give me a passage.
Jodi,
Jesus is talking about his own spirit, the spirit of Christ he was born with.
He was in no way talking about God’s HolySpirit, as you are assuming;
you assume it must be that, because the other does not fit your doctrine.Edj…..if you don’t realize the Fathers Spirit was doing all the works of Jesus and dwelt “in” him, you haven’t even begun to understand yet IMO.
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF JESUS, it is the SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING, or CHRISTOS, which is the SPIRIT OF GOD. not of the man Jesus. I find hard you don’t understand that yet, But then again it explains a lot.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
“THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF JESUS, it is the SPIRIT OF THE ANOINTING, or CHRISTOS, which is the SPIRIT OF GOD. not of the man Jesus.”
Amen!!
We are heirs of God, heirs of His anointing Spirit, why we are said to be JOINT HEIRS with the Anointed, glorified together.
As the Spirit bears witness to our spirit that we are children of God the same is true for Jesus.
As those that are Led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God the same is true for Jesus.
As Luke 4 says, Jesus left the river Jordan being filled with the Holy Spirit and was LED by the Spirit into the wilderness. Everywhere Jesus went, and all that he said and did, was him being LED by God through God’s anointing Spirit.
He was raised receiving the PROMISED Holy Spirit, he was raised a first begotten of the dead, a firstborn of many.
Ezekiel 36 tells us God will put His Spirit in us and cause us to walk in all His ways.
Edj…..if you don’t realize the Fathers Spirit was doing all the works of Jesus and dwelt “in” him, you haven’t even begun to understand yet IMO.
Hi Gene,
Of course I believe that, why are you acting like I don”t ?
You know: bearing false witness is a sin
You do know that Gene? Right?
Edj…..
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF JESUSHi Gene,
Are you claiming Jesus (according to Gene) was not Christ?
Edj….. I find hard you don’t understand that yet, But then again it explains a lot.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
Criticizing me by complaining I don’t agree with you is hardly convincing of your argument.
Are you not here to reconcile?
Jesus was considered “anointed” as a baby. See that He was called the “Christ” or the anointed one in these two passages.
Matt 2:3
When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4And when he had assembled all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he asked them where the Christ was to be born.
Luke 2
25And there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27And he came in the Spirit into the temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to carry out for Him the custom of the Law, 28then he took Him into his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29“Now Lord, You are releasing Your bond-servant to depart in peace,
According to Your word;30For my eyes have seen Your salvation,
31Which You have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
32A LIGHT OF REVELATION TO THE GENTILES,
And the glory of Your people Israel.”
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