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“He who is not against us is with us”
You don't seem to know your bible, I know both the bible and the new, new testament.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,11:20) “He who is not against us is with us” You don't seem to know your bible, I know both the bible and the new, new testament.
Colter
ColterThis is not the meaning of those words,
But you believe that I am like you an ignorant in scripture ot or nt
Only do not care for junk
Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,05:04) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,11:20) “He who is not against us is with us” You don't seem to know your bible, I know both the bible and the new, new testament.
Colter
ColterThis is not the meaning of those words,
But you believe that I am like you an ignorant in scripture ot or nt
Only do not care for junk
In the bible the apostles ruffed up a guy who was teaching and baptizing a little different from them. They brought him to Jesus and Jesus rebuked the apostles telling them that “he who is not against us is with us”. But you guys a great at explaining away things in the bible that you claim is Gods Word.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,21:22) Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15) Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12) Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans. Colter
Quote Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Colter,
So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???
PEACE AND LOVE
IN JESUS
The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.
Colter
Quote that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed Colter,
Explain:
But Mary is a parent.
And she was born of both parents.
So sin still translated.
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,12:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,05:04) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,11:20) “He who is not against us is with us” You don't seem to know your bible, I know both the bible and the new, new testament.
Colter
ColterThis is not the meaning of those words,
But you believe that I am like you an ignorant in scripture ot or nt
Only do not care for junk
In the bible the apostles ruffed up a guy who was teaching and baptizing a little different from them. They brought him to Jesus and Jesus rebuked the apostles telling them that “he who is not against us is with us”. But you guys a great at explaining away things in the bible that you claim is Gods Word.Colter
colterMK 9:38 John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.”
but you do try to follow us and try to make your UB the truth and try to make US to swich to you faulty junk,
so what you imply from scriptures was not meant for you
Quote (carmel @ July 17 2012,06:20) Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,21:22) Quote (carmel @ July 16 2012,17:15) Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,14:12) Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Jesus was the first born of a large family. Joseph died when Mary was prey ate with her last child. Jesus then became head of the household and helped raise his brothers and sisters until James was old enough to take over. The virgin birth came from the pagans. Colter
Quote Jesus was conceived like any other child, Mary and Joseph were already married. Colter,
So according to you MARY HAD INTERCOURSE WITH JOSEPH AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS,AND STILL WAS BORN THROUGH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND IF SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT SHE NEVER LOST VIRGINITY,AND NEVER HAD CHILDREN THROUGH JOSEPH,OR SOMEONE ELSE,
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY???
PEACE AND LOVE
IN JESUS
The Pagans had a belief in a savoir born of a virgin. It was believed that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed.The incarnation was a miracle even to the celestials, so I don't know at what point the personality of the Son became Marys child.
Colter
Quote that sin is translated from parent to child so a virgin birth was needed Colter,
Explain:
But Mary is a parent.
And she was born of both parents.
So sin still translated.
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology.Lets move “off topic” discussions to my new thread “The Urantia Book & The Bible”
Colter
colter
Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,10:43) colter Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate.The old Persian concept of original sin, of Adam brining death to the world was an idea that evolved from the FACT that it was Adam and Eve who lost immortality, not man.
It was Adam and Eve who lost the use of the tree of life. Indigenous man on this evolved earth was never able to “eat of the tree of life.”
Adam and Eve arrived on earth with duel circulatory system's, the energies from “the tree of life” enabled them to live indefinitely…… at least until they sinned (the crafty beast had already fallen, was already evil). After the sin, which bore Cain, they were made “like one of us”.
Genesis
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,18:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,10:43) colter Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate.The old Persian concept of original sin, of Adam brining death to the world was an idea that evolved from the FACT that it was Adam and Eve who lost immortality, not man.
It was Adam and Eve who lost the use of the tree of life. Indigenous man on this evolved earth was never able to “eat of the tree of life.”
Adam and Eve arrived on earth with duel circulatory system's, the energies from “the tree of life” enabled them to live indefinitely…… at least until they sinned (the crafty beast had already fallen, was already evil). After the sin, which bore Cain, they were made “like one of us”.
Genesis
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Colter
colterQuote Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate. this is so false ,I don't going to bother with because scriptures teaches this over and over again,if you can not see it ,it is because you do not look for it ,if you do not look for it it is because you have given up the truth of God for the lies of UB.
Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,11:59) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,18:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,10:43) colter Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate.The old Persian concept of original sin, of Adam brining death to the world was an idea that evolved from the FACT that it was Adam and Eve who lost immortality, not man.
It was Adam and Eve who lost the use of the tree of life. Indigenous man on this evolved earth was never able to “eat of the tree of life.”
Adam and Eve arrived on earth with duel circulatory system's, the energies from “the tree of life” enabled them to live indefinitely…… at least until they sinned (the crafty beast had already fallen, was already evil). After the sin, which bore Cain, they were made “like one of us”.
Genesis
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Colter
colterQuote Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate. this is so false ,I don't going to bother with because scriptures teaches this over and over again,if you can not see it ,it is because you do not look for it ,if you do not look for it it is because you have given up the truth of God for the lies of UB.
Oh, I see it, I just don't believe it. The earth is over 4 billion years old.I see that the Messiah was supposed to sit in David's corrupt throne and rule the earth from Israel, but Jesus wasn't the Messiah, he was very different then the Messiah. He left and Israel is a museum to a broken promise, kept alive by the support of Christian nations.
Colter
Hi Colter,
Jesus is the messiah; are you saying that you do not believe this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi All,
Please take all UB questions and comments for Colter over to the “UB and the Bible” thread he started.
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,19:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,11:59) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,18:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,10:43) colter Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate.The old Persian concept of original sin, of Adam brining death to the world was an idea that evolved from the FACT that it was Adam and Eve who lost immortality, not man.
It was Adam and Eve who lost the use of the tree of life. Indigenous man on this evolved earth was never able to “eat of the tree of life.”
Adam and Eve arrived on earth with duel circulatory system's, the energies from “the tree of life” enabled them to live indefinitely…… at least until they sinned (the crafty beast had already fallen, was already evil). After the sin, which bore Cain, they were made “like one of us”.
Genesis
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Colter
colterQuote Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate. this is so false ,I don't going to bother with because scriptures teaches this over and over again,if you can not see it ,it is because you do not look for it ,if you do not look for it it is because you have given up the truth of God for the lies of UB.
Oh, I see it, I just don't believe it. The earth is over 4 billion years old.I see that the Messiah was supposed to sit in David's corrupt throne and rule the earth from Israel, but Jesus wasn't the Messiah, he was very different then the Messiah. He left and Israel is a museum to a broken promise, kept alive by the support of Christian nations.
Colter
do you read your own quotesQuote we do not inherit sin or death. this is why I respond to you ;and this is false ;
the soul that sin will die
Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,13:23) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,19:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,11:59) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,18:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,10:43) colter Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate.The old Persian concept of original sin, of Adam brining death to the world was an idea that evolved from the FACT that it was Adam and Eve who lost immortality, not man.
It was Adam and Eve who lost the use of the tree of life. Indigenous man on this evolved earth was never able to “eat of the tree of life.”
Adam and Eve arrived on earth with duel circulatory system's, the energies from “the tree of life” enabled them to live indefinitely…… at least until they sinned (the crafty beast had already fallen, was already evil). After the sin, which bore Cain, they were made “like one of us”.
Genesis
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Colter
colterQuote Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate. this is so false ,I don't going to bother with because scriptures teaches this over and over again,if you can not see it ,it is because you do not look for it ,if you do not look for it it is because you have given up the truth of God for the lies of UB.
Oh, I see it, I just don't believe it. The earth is over 4 billion years old.I see that the Messiah was supposed to sit in David's corrupt throne and rule the earth from Israel, but Jesus wasn't the Messiah, he was very different then the Messiah. He left and Israel is a museum to a broken promise, kept alive by the support of Christian nations.
Colter
do you read your own quotesQuote we do not inherit sin or death. this is why I respond to you ;and this is false ;
the soul that sin will die
“go and sin no more”
JesusQuote (Colter @ July 17 2012,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,13:23) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,19:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,11:59) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,18:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,10:43) colter Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate.The old Persian concept of original sin, of Adam brining death to the world was an idea that evolved from the FACT that it was Adam and Eve who lost immortality, not man.
It was Adam and Eve who lost the use of the tree of life. Indigenous man on this evolved earth was never able to “eat of the tree of life.”
Adam and Eve arrived on earth with duel circulatory system's, the energies from “the tree of life” enabled them to live indefinitely…… at least until they sinned (the crafty beast had already fallen, was already evil). After the sin, which bore Cain, they were made “like one of us”.
Genesis
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Colter
colterQuote Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate. this is so false ,I don't going to bother with because scriptures teaches this over and over again,if you can not see it ,it is because you do not look for it ,if you do not look for it it is because you have given up the truth of God for the lies of UB.
Oh, I see it, I just don't believe it. The earth is over 4 billion years old.I see that the Messiah was supposed to sit in David's corrupt throne and rule the earth from Israel, but Jesus wasn't the Messiah, he was very different then the Messiah. He left and Israel is a museum to a broken promise, kept alive by the support of Christian nations.
Colter
do you read your own quotesQuote we do not inherit sin or death. this is why I respond to you ;and this is false ;
the soul that sin will die
“go and sin no more”
Jesus
well do it and do not lie ,because anyone who does not say the truth lies ,and lying his a sin,
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Quote (terraricca @ July 21 2012,16:19) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,13:23) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,19:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,11:59) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,18:38) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2012,10:43) colter Quote Sin is a choice, we do not inherit sin or death. Death is natural, sin is to know Gods will yet choose to do our own will. The concept of original sin came from the Persians. The Hebrews adopted it when they were in Babylonian captivity, that’s when it became a part of their theology. if this is true what you say ;WHY DO WE STILL DIE
Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate.The old Persian concept of original sin, of Adam brining death to the world was an idea that evolved from the FACT that it was Adam and Eve who lost immortality, not man.
It was Adam and Eve who lost the use of the tree of life. Indigenous man on this evolved earth was never able to “eat of the tree of life.”
Adam and Eve arrived on earth with duel circulatory system's, the energies from “the tree of life” enabled them to live indefinitely…… at least until they sinned (the crafty beast had already fallen, was already evil). After the sin, which bore Cain, they were made “like one of us”.
Genesis
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Colter
colterQuote Becuase we are supposed to either die or translate. this is so false ,I don't going to bother with because scriptures teaches this over and over again,if you can not see it ,it is because you do not look for it ,if you do not look for it it is because you have given up the truth of God for the lies of UB.
Oh, I see it, I just don't believe it. The earth is over 4 billion years old.I see that the Messiah was supposed to sit in David's corrupt throne and rule the earth from Israel, but Jesus wasn't the Messiah, he was very different then the Messiah. He left and Israel is a museum to a broken promise, kept alive by the support of Christian nations.
Colter
do you read your own quotesQuote we do not inherit sin or death. this is why I respond to you ;and this is false ;
the soul that sin will die
“go and sin no more”
Jesus
well do it and do not lie ,because anyone who does not say the truth lies ,and lying his a sin,
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
According to the false doctrine of “original sin” or inherited sin, then you accuse Jesus of stating an undoable falsehood. Jesus is proving in his admonition that one can go and not sin. Sin is to know the will of God yet choose ones own will. Jesus said that some were saved already and not in need of “physician.” That further disproves the Pagan, human sacrifice doctrine.We may be born into an influential and dark world, a culture that ignores God, but that does not mean that “sinning” is beyond our control.
Colter
colter
Quote According to the false doctrine of “original sin” or inherited sin, then you accuse Jesus of stating an undoable falsehood how can it be that you surpass Christ
and not be false in your believe so you are higher than Christ the son of God ,??? how this happen manQuote (terraricca @ July 22 2012,02:37) colter Quote According to the false doctrine of “original sin” or inherited sin, then you accuse Jesus of stating an undoable falsehood how can it be that you surpass Christ
and not be false in your believe so you are higher than Christ the son of God ,??? how this happen man
Your disagreement is not with me, your disagreement would be with Jesus when he said to “go and sin no more”.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,02:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 22 2012,02:37) colter Quote According to the false doctrine of “original sin” or inherited sin, then you accuse Jesus of stating an undoable falsehood how can it be that you surpass Christ
and not be false in your believe so you are higher than Christ the son of God ,??? how this happen man
Your disagreement is not with me, your disagreement would be with Jesus when he said to “go and sin no more”.Colter
Yes Colter, go and dont twist the scriptures no more.
Enough is enough.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,07:28) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,02:43) Quote (terraricca @ July 22 2012,02:37) colter Quote According to the false doctrine of “original sin” or inherited sin, then you accuse Jesus of stating an undoable falsehood how can it be that you surpass Christ
and not be false in your believe so you are higher than Christ the son of God ,??? how this happen man
Your disagreement is not with me, your disagreement would be with Jesus when he said to “go and sin no more”.Colter
Yes Colter, go and dont twist the scriptures no more.
Enough is enough.wakeup.
The Bible fetish has perverted and stunted the Bible, Christianity is diminishing,Colter
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