1 John 5.20 – Christ is not the true God?

edj

and how is that that it change anything

a surrogate mother still a mother but a carrying mother,of someone else child ,in this case Gods child ;the son of God that was created the first of all creation,way before men was created ,

what are prophets are they not “the carryiers of the words of God would this mean that they can not speak of their own of cause not .they do have a live of their own.

Quote (Colter @ July 13 2012,10:33)

Quote (mike ll64 @ July 12 2012,13:04) Oh.  Those words were supposedly said WHEN Jesus was on earth?  I thought the angels who revealed this Urantia revelation were saying this AS it was being written down.   My bad.   But are you saying that Jesus didn't want anything written down to teach us because we might interpret the writings differently?  Don't you suppose spreading the gospel by word of mouth would have distorted the words throughout the generations MUCH, MUCH more than having the ones who actually heard him speak writing them down?   I remember a game we played in school, where the teacher told one person a sentence, which was then related student to student until we went through the whole class.  The end sentence wasn't anything close to the sentence the teacher told the first kid.    That in mind, how well do you suppose an oral translation of Jesus' time on earth and his teachings would have lasted over thousands of years –  being handed down through millions of people? Jesus taught as the occasion presented itself, it was never his intention for us to “petrify” his words into more laws, he wanted us to be guided by the spirit in our lives in the same way that he was. But to your point, did Jesus himself leave any writings? We would have surely made an idolatrous fetish of anything Jesus would have written or touched. I'm sure that Jesus expected records to be made after he left, he didn't forbid that, but true to form we have made a fetish out of even those writings. The Urantia Book reveals who wrote the 4 gospels: http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1373#U121_8_0

this is absurd ,we all know who did wright the scriptures beside the original writer ;every interested Christian that wanted to learn Gods word ,;yes this simple .

this is what Paul mention to do with his letters ,

only later became the need to turning it into a bussiness ,

I disagree, Colter.  The words are very plain for all to see.  It's just that some people want something that the words don't teach to be the truth, because they like their own “truth” better than the scriptural truth.

And that is where the arguments come in.  If Jesus says in John 17:5 that he had glory alongside God before the world began, then he did – end of story. This one little sentence Jesus spoke makes it clear that he existed before the world began, and he is not “God”, who he was alongside.  Yet many want to argue with Jesus' words.

The scriptures are there to teach us, and I thank God for them.  I just don't understand how others can reach a conclusion that is totally opposite from what those scriptures teach.  It baffles me greatly.

I agree Mike, Jesus existed before this world was, he resurrected himself from the dead by entering a new form and returning to earth, he now is Lord and God to mankind on this world.

Colter

I'll even go up to the third comma.

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Edj,

I'm afraid you ignored the fact that the origin of the lineage is not calculated through the woman.

SO WHY ARE YOU CALCULATED JESUS LINEAGE THROUGH MARY.

SHOW  SCRIPTURE REGARDING LINEAGE WHERE IT IS CALCULATED THROUGH THE WOMAN.

NOW READ AGAIN AND REFLECT

Is it possible for a woman to become conceived without seed??

Definitely not.

If the seed came from the Father through the Holy Spirit, is the seed eternal???

Definitely yes.

So if the origin of the seed is ETERNAL,and this seed conseived Mary,

HOW CAN ONE DENY AND SAY THAT THE FETUS DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM ETERNITY??

THE JEWS NEVER CALCULATED THE WOMAN FOR THE LINEAGE,AND MARY IS NOT CONSIDERRED THE PROOF OF JESUS' ORIGIN.

JOSEPH HID THE ORIGIN OF JESUS, OTHERWISE SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN STONED.

ALTHOUGH SHE CARRIED HIM,AND SHE WAS HIS MOTHER,SHE WAS STILL NOT CONSIDERRED AS THE LINEAGE

SO DO NOT INVOLVE THE ORIGIN OF JESUS THROUGH MARY'S FLESH. SHE WAS ONLY FLESH,AND IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE ,WHICH IS THE SEED OF THE FATHER,THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING.

GENESIS 12:7And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto YOUR SEED will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

OK HE MADE IT CLEAR.

HE SPOKE TO ABRAM, NOT TO SARAI AND HE SAID :

YOUR SEED.

STOP DISCUSSING NONSENS

LINEAGE THROUGH THE FATHER AS A JEW.

THE LINEAGE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph  ETC……….

SO IF JESUS (AS WAS SUPPOSE0  THE SON OF JOSEPH,AND HE WASN'T

HE IS THE SON OF GOD SO ETERNAL ACCORDING TO HIS FATHER.

NOT ACCORDING TO HIS MOTHER

peace and love in  Jesus

Charles

Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:

If you realize that Jesus was more then Human (yes, a human can't resurrect himself from the dead) then we can see that the divine person of The Son of God did not die when the mortal body of Jesus died. The Son returned in a new form, one that appears and disappears, it's not the original mortal body of Jesus but one that resembles the old form.

For Jesus to have said “I will raise it up” and for the author of Acts to say “God raised him up” is synonymous.

It's really that simple and that miraculous at the same time.

Colter

Hike,

This interest me while others will discount it, it's from Jesus of the UB:

141:5.1 “One of the most eventful of all the evening conferences at Amathus was the session having to do with the discussion of spiritual unity. James Zebedee had asked, “Master, how shall we learn to see alike and thereby enjoy more harmony among ourselves?” When Jesus heard this question, he was stirred within his spirit, so much so that he replied: “James, James, when did I teach you that you should all see alike? I have come into the world to proclaim spiritual liberty to the end that mortals may be empowered to live individual lives of originality and freedom before God. I do not desire that social harmony and fraternal peace shall be purchased by the sacrifice of free personality and spiritual originality. What I require of you, my apostles, is spirit unity — and that you can experience in the joy of your united dedication to the wholehearted doing of the will of my Father in heaven. You do not have to see alike or feel alike or even think alike in order spiritually to be alike. Spiritual unity is derived from the consciousness that each of you is indwelt, and increasingly dominated, by the spirit gift of the heavenly Father. Your apostolic harmony must grow out of the fact that the spirit hope of each of you is identical in origin, nature, and destiny.” UB

Colter