1 John 5.20 – Christ is not the true God?

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Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2012,08:21) Quote (carmel @ June 23 2012,13:44) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,15:53) Quote (jammin @ June 17 2012,22:33) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2012,00:06) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:06) bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD. those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that? do you accept that the father also called his son GOD? J you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is  made of only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM; you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god . the form in verse 6 of phil 2 refers to the nature. why dont you go to school first and study hard. greek scholars know that form in phil 2.6 refers to christ as being GOD. before he took the form of MAN, he was in the form of GOD or GOD. the father is a GOD the son is a GOD they are both God. that is their nature, GOD just like you and your father you are both HUMAN or MAN that is your form or nature. J Quote the father is a GOD the son is a GOD they are both Gods. that is their nature, GOD I agree with that but God almighty is a greater God because he his the father of god the son and so give birth to him,and by being second Christ his not first ,and only god almighty his the beginning of creation and his first creation is his SON Quote his first creation is his SON Terraricca, How did you conclude that He was created??? PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Charles was God alone at one time is God omnipotente what is it that you call creation and this you have discussed with Mike,T8,and me in another topic so you should know the scriptures like Col 1;14-20 and….. Quote was God alone at one time is God omnipotente what is it that you call creation and this you have discussed with Mike,T8,and me in another topic so you should know the scriptures like Col 1;14-20 and….. Terraricca, From  the above you simply confirmed that you are not clear, SO I repeat: What convinced you that the Son was created?? I want it in BLACK AND WHITE THROUGH YOUR OWN TONGUE NOT SIMPLY POST SCRIPTURES. SO DECLARE YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING TO PROVE THAT YOU KNOW THE TRUTH!! PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES

Charles

I am sorry but you will have to relly on the scriptures, and I am to tired to discuss and re discuss what is plainly stated in scriptures if you let them talk,

but you will not let scriptures talk unless it agrees with you ,

it is your live you looking after not mine ,i look after my own and have let scriptures as they are into my heart and so follow it ,

please look up the TOPIC `”preexistance of Christ ” 1 and 2

it will answer all your questions need,

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Hi Charles

When Jesus says my Father and I are one, does he mean that they are one and the same?  Does he mean that he is God the Father, and the Father is him?

When Christ says that we are one with the Father and him, does that mean that we are now God? or we are now Christ? or Christ is now me, and God is now you?

Being one is unity in the spirit.  The same truth, the same doctrine, the same purpose
following the will of God and being part of the body (true church, Zion)

So, at the appointed time, when Christ returns
all those who are resurrected to join with Christ will be one heavenly true spiritual family.  All individual members will be knit together in unity, with the same inheritance, the same purpose, the same spirit which is holy and comes from God.  But we will never be greater than our master, and Christ will always be Lord over us, though he shares everything he has inherited with us, and also gives us power of authority to rule with him.  

There is always order in Christ's kingdom, and even Christ is under his Father, and the Father entrusts him to rule because he has proven that he is worthy and does everything for his Father's glory, and never puts his name to shame.

So I do not quite understand what you are asking me, but I know there are false doctrines out there that distort the truth, and I know nothing about you, what you believe, or where you are from, if you are just learning, or have been studying for a long time, but there are things you have stated that I don't agree with, and you appear to be not agreeing with me, so here we have two different spirits, although we worship the same God.  For there is the spirit of truth, and spirit of error, and one of us has either, but if all pride is put away, and the truth is of most importance, then we can find out through the scriptures which will be our judge, and put aside all church teachings for the moment as we concentrate on what God has to say first.

journey42,

In the context which Jesus was talking about he meant that:

HE AS HUMAN AND THE FATHER, AS SPIRIT WITHIN HIS SOUL FORM A DIVINE BEING  IN FLESH,  THE MESSIAH.

JESUS EMPHASIZED THIS MANY TIMES :LET'S SEE:

JOHN 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father;

(AS A SPIRIT IN HIM)

for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, MAKEST YOURSELF GOD.

( SO JESUS, ACCORDING TO THE JEWS WHO WERE EXPERT REGARDING THEIR GOD,CONCLUDED THAT JESUS CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS  GOD. SO IT IS NOT AS YOU ARE INSINUATING, WITH EVERY REPECT)

34sus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath SANCTIFIED,

( HOW THE FATHER SANCTIFIED HIS SON?? IT ISN'T THROUGH HIS OWN SPIRIT WITHIN JESUS’  SOUL?? IT ISN'T THE FATHER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THE SON'S SOUL AS A HUMAN, GOD/MAN,  IN HYPOSTATIC UNION IN JESUS???)

and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON OF GOD?

(ONLY SINCE HE IS HUMAN, AND TILL HE DIED AND GLORIFIED,BOTH HIM AND THE FATHER AND UNITED THEMSELVES AS ONE GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY TILL THE LAST DAY,WHEN THE SON FULFILLS HIS PROCESS, AND UNIFY THE ENTIRE CREATION IN HIS MYSTICAL BODY FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN,FOR ETERNITY. ALL RECONCILED IN JESUS' SPIRIT, BY JESUS' SPIRIT, FOR JESUS' SPIRIT)

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father IS IN ME,( AS MAN) and I IN HIM.( AS GOD)

(WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO BELIEVE,THAT JESUS AS MAN HAD THE FATHER SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL???

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS STILL MAINTAINED HIS DIVINITY IN THE FATHER IN HEAVEN ALTHOUGH HE BECAME MAN??

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

notice : THE SON OF MAN WHICH IS IN HEAVEN!!! WHILE HE WAS IN THE WORLD !!!!

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM, and HAVE SEEN HIM.

(AGAIN HE IS MAKING IT CLEAR: SINCE THEY KNOW HIM, THEY ALSO SHOULD KNOW HIS FATHER, AND FROM THEN ON THEY HAVE SEEN HIM.  SO JESUS IS THE FATHER IN FLESH)

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;

JESUS IS EMPHASIZING HERE: HE THAT SEEN ME HAD SEEN THE FATHER.  ARE YOU STILL IN DOUBT THAT JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE BEING, ONE NATURE OF GOD. “ THE RADIANCE OF THE GLORY OF GOD AND THE EXACT IMPRINT OF HIS NATURE.” Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,

and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

AGAIN REPEATING TO MAKE SURE FOR ALL THOSE WHO READ SCRIPTURES, IN ORDER TO NEVER BE IN DOUBT THAT HE IS GOD THE FATHER IN FLESH[/B]

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:( AS A HUMAN) but the Father (AS A SPIRIT)that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

SO JESUS HERE IS DETERMINED TO ELIMINATE ALL DOUBTS, THAT HE IS THE FATHER IN FLESH,EVEN WHEN HE SPEAKS,AND WORKS.  

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

HOW PETIENT JESUS WAS, AND HOW CONVINCING HE WANTED,AND HAD TO BE, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS FATHER IS MANIFESTED FULLY IN HIM AS HUMAN TILL HE DIED AND GLORIFIED AND BECAME ONE MYSTICAL BODY HIM AND THE FATHER.

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me,(THAT HE IS THE FATHER IN FLESH) the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

(SO ALL THE DISCIPLES HAD TO DO WAS, SIMPLY MENTION HIS NAME AND ALL IS DONE!!)

14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

( AGAIN HE REPEATED THE SAME THING,NOTICE TWICE HE SAID:  I WILL DO IT, NOT MY F
ATHER WILL DO IT!!! AND NOT ASKING THE FATHER IN MY NAME, BUT ANYTHING IN MY NAME, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNIFIED AS ONE GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY  )

39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

J

you focus on the power of money not the power of wisdom,

those two have different sources

J

I have answered you many times but you still are stcked on your opinion ,on one verse that it seems you do not understand ,or refuse to understand for other reasons ,

you have left many of my questions unanswered ,

again;God almighty his NOT Jesus Christ ;

and the SON of God is NOT his own father

Nature has nothing to do with it ;scriptures says that the Son of God has or is of the same nature that God his ,

it also understood that Christ the son ,is the only one that share that nature and so is it normal that he his A GOD,BUT NOT HIS FATHER ,GOD ALMIGHTY

J

I give you up to your dreams and fantasy enjoy,

I have nothing more to say to you

Bye boy

Journey 42,

WRONG!!

Humbly speaking:
You simply confirmed that you are not aware what you posted, WITH EVERY RESPECT for the simple reason that you contradicted yourself WITH THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED  

Now reflect:

For the invisible things of him (God in Jesus’Spirit) from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN!!    

SO IF IT IS CLEARLY SEEN GOD IS VISBLE.

SO WHATEVER IS VISIBLE, IS THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD HIMSELF IN THE SPIRIT OF JESUS TRANSFORMED INTO MATTER SINCE:

ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

ALL BY HIS SPIRIT, ALL IN HIS SPIRIT, ALL FOR HIS SPIRIT.

THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY JESUS’ SPIRIT
THE ENITRE CREATION IS MANIFESTED I N JESUS’ SPIRIT
THE ENTIRE CREATION  WOULD  GLORIFY FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT.

1Colossians 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

SO GOD IS NOT INVISIBLE AT ALL!!!

When one reflects on the words “ALL IN HIM” It is quite obvious ,that since ALL in His Spirit, one would be aware that JESUS’ SPIRIT WAS TOTALLY CONSUMED IN WHATEVER IS CREATED, AND THE LAST TO BE CONSUMED IN WAS  MARY’S BODY, THE IMMACULATE SUBSTANCE WHICH GOD THE FATHER REQUIRED TO BE BORN AS MAN/GOD  IN JESUS AS MESSIAH.

One should reflect more and in depth on hereunder:

John6:39  And this is the Father's WILL which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me (THE KINGDOM) I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day

that of all which he hath given me,

WHAT DID THE FATHER GIVE TO HIS SON, ?

Further up  in Colossians 1:13 It is quite obvious that the Father gave to His Son the KINGDOM, for the simple reason that the Father used His Son’s Spirit to create the entire creation, AND ON THE LAST DAY, JESUS HIMSELF,  WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY, AND GLORIFY IT  IN HIS MYSTICAL BODY AS HIS KINGDOM, FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN, IN HIS FULNESS FOR ETERNITY.

I should lose nothing,

SO THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY,IN,AND FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT,AND THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD GLORIFY.
NOTHING WOULD BE LOST. So who would not be saved in this CARNAL term, definitely would be saved in a different term in the far away future.

but should raise it up again at the last day .

SO HERE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE HIMSELF WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY ON THE LAST DAY[/B]

SO! It all depends ENTIRELY on us, and how we behave throughout our lives GENERALLY in relation to our entire creation.
Our creation therefore, is Jesus’ spiritual substance, THE SOURCE OF BOTH SPIRIT AND MATTER, BOTH SOULS,AND FLESH, BOTH WATER AND BLOOD ,sacrificed, consumed FIRST throughout creation. Then sacrificed on the cross as a human, TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIK
E HIS BRETHREN, and redeemed all, and reconciled all in himself.

Through His death He eliminated Satan's spirit throughout the entire of our creation,and He became the sole proprietor sealed by  sending the Holy Spirit as the GIFT OF GOD TO ABIDE IN OUR SOUL A SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS.

1John5:6 This is he that came by WATER AND BLOOD, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood.

Notice the emphasis, So Jesus' Spirit came down from heaven in water and blood, and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, obvious because blood signify MATTER, Matter is not of God, since God is spiritual, so BLOOD,MATTER, signify LUCIFER that’s why it cannot inherits God’s kingdom. So Jesus’ Spirit left the Father and entered the spirit of LUCIFER. Genesis 1:3….. let there be light,….  John1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS , and  was sent into the world in order to transform LUCIFER  and his ANGELS into MATTER,  create our world between good and evil, negative and positive, soul, and flesh, water and blood, and redeemed all, demonstrated on the cross through His heart when it was pierced by the lance. BOTH CAME OUT THROUGH HIS HEART,SINCE BOTH CAME DOWN IN HIM FROM HEAVEN,AND BECAME ONE MYSTICAL BODY, SPIRIT AND MATTER, FLESH AND SOUL.

GOLGOTHA ALL IN JESUS

Jesus as the LAST man of the OT  ( BUT SINLESS, REDEEMER)
The bad thief as the LAST spirit of Satan of the OT ( TOTALLY BLIND )
The good thief as the LAST DEAD soul of the OT ( SAVED BY JESUS)

THEY ALL DIED AND WERE TRANSFORMED IN A NEW MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS.

WE AS CHRISTHIANS, JESUS' CHURCH,ARE MEMBERS OF HIS MYSTICAL BODY,SHOULD LIVE IN HIM AND IMITATE HIM AS THE NEW MEN.   
 

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles