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    53:7 “He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth.” Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in…

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    It’s really clear to anyone who has never read Isaiah 53 who in history this is talking about. Even Atheists say it sounds like Jesus even if he never existed.

    And of course to those who believe Isaiah 53 is scripture and that Jesus is not the messiah, well there is no limit on how creative you can be to deny this is Jesus despite him standing…[Read more]

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    gadam123 replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    Hi Proclaimer, thanks for your patience in replying my posts.

    Got it. So when the messiah comes, we do not have to hear his teachings and record them because the Old Testament is everything. If so, then why do we even need the messiah if the Old Testament has everything?

    Please remember that the Hebrew Messiah will not change Tanakh in fact he…[Read more]

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    HI Gene,

    YOU:Carmel……Read what Irenaeus said in CA 185 AD. …..because that is exactly the way I believe.  Jesus was and is not a God of any kind. He did not preexist his existence on this earth either. 

    ME: Read, AGAIN THE SCRIPTURE THAT I POSTED, and IGNORE ALL ELSE!
    AND I REPEAT 
    BUT for a change don’t let your carnal-minded reasoning…[Read more]

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    HI Gene,

    YOU:Carmel……Read what Irenaeus said in CA 185 AD. …..because that is exactly the way I believe.  Jesus was and is not a God of any kind. He did not preexist his existence on this earth either. 

    ME: Read, AGAIN THE SCRIPTURE THAT I POSTED, and IGNORE ALL ELSE!
    <h2>AND I REPEAT </h2>
    <h2>BUT for a change don’t let your carnal-min…[Read more]

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    Hi Gadam,

    YOU: Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years.

    Of course Jerusalem and Judah have not existed since the “days of eternity”!! Thus the translation must follow the logic.

    ME: What if the names JUDAH and JERUSALEM are used

    METAPHORICALLY?

    That would be a c…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    Messiah is expected to rule physical kingdom (Not spiritual as imagined by Christianity) for God’s people Israel.

    The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    Hebrew Bible is full and all sufficient for its religion and does not require any thing more as its Canon was already finalized with all the books in the Tanakh. Christian statement of Old (Law) required only for condemning sin is a another misinterpretation of God’s Torah. Messiah is expected to rule physical kingdom (Not spiritual as imagined b…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    The naming of ‘Old’ and ‘New’ Testament was the creation of Christianity.

    Quite useful I think.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    Well if that statement is meant to be that Jesus is God, then he is a double minded man. Or he changed his mind. However, I’m betting that what he was saying is that Jesus is divine. In other words, the same wording as John 1:1. That is, no definite article preceding the word ‘theos’.

    Like I have said countless times. People get confused over…[Read more]

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    Hi Gene,

    YOU: I believe Exactly as Jesus said,  ‘the son of man (Jesus ) could do “nothing of himself”,  but the Father who is “in” him done the works”,

    ME: What does JESUS CONFIRM by that statement?
    THAT THE FATHER COULD DO NOTHING ALL BY HIMSELF!
    John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath,
    are mine.
    Therefore I said, that he shall rece…[Read more]

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    Gene  …..

    THE SON IS THE REFLECTION OF GOD’S GLORY, THE EVEN FOOTPRINT OF HIS PERSON …..
    HE IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER
    HE WAS IN THE BIGINNING WITH GOD AND HE WAS GOD.
    EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY HIM, AND NOTHING THAT WAS DONE, HAS BEEN DONE WITHOUT HIM ……
    AND HE WAS MADE FLESH FOR US.

    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt…[Read more]

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    Johnyy replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    @t8

    Hi Proclaimer,

    You: Irenaeus taught that the Father is the only God

    Me: Irenaeus also said in his Book Against Heresies 1.10.1.
    “Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father”

    Well, what do you make of that statement?

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    Johnyy replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    Hi Gene,

    You: Irenaeus. (CD. 185 AD). is exactly right, he has presented the truth correctly,

    Me: Irenaeus also said in his Book Against Heresies 1.10.1.
    “Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father”

    Well, what do you make of that statement?

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    Proclaimer…….being called something does not make you that thing you are called.   Example,  if we call a plane a bird , is it really a “bird” , your logic says it is a bird,  when in fact it is not, but has a characteristic  of a bird, it flies like a bird.  No scripture says Jesus “is himself” Gods word, to say that is simply not true.  Now dot…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer……..That was a excellent video post brother.

    peace and love to you and yours……….gene

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    Carmel……..I said Jesus is even now a flesh being,  then you said, “I believe Jesus accomplished nothing by saying that” . I believe Exactly as Jesus said,  ‘the son of man (Jesus ) could do “nothing of himself”,  but the Father who is “in” him done the works”, question is do you ‘truly’ believe what Jesus himself said?  You people worship and sa…[Read more]

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    Carmel……Read what Irenaeus said in CA 185 AD. …..because that is exactly the way I believe.  Jesus was and is not a God of any kind. He did not preexist his existence on this earth either.   All your trinitarian teachings are lies and are not found in the true gospel of Jesus, or the Apostles, or anywhere in scriptures as you present it. Your te…[Read more]

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    Hi proclaimer,

    “For the transgressions of My people He was stricken”. What people was Isaiah part of? The people of Israel, of course. So “my people” refers to the people of Israel. Therefore Israel cannot be the Suffering Servant of the Lord.

    Here is the verse by verse interpretation of Isaiah 53;

    ISAIAH 53
    In the original Hebrew texts, there a…[Read more]

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    gadam123 replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 3 months ago

    Hi Proclaimer, thanks for your reply to my query.

    If the messiah’s name is Jesus, then Jesus is the Christ.

    If Jesus name is the Word of God, then he is the Word of God.

    He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His na…

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