Proclaimer replied to the topic Isaiah 53 in the forum Prophecy 5 years, 4 months ago
It is true that things like this are hidden from the wise of this world and instead revealed to the innocent.
gadam123 replied to the topic Isaiah 53 in the forum Prophecy 5 years, 4 months ago
Hi Proclaimer,
This refers to the Messiah’s first coming and rejection. No mystery here. Jesus is the only one who fulfilled this prophecy.
As per Hebrew Bible there are no two comings of Messiah it is purely Christian creation. Coming to Isaiah 53 as I quoted in other thread it is not about any Messiah. Here again I am quoting the arguments on I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Isaiah 53 in the forum Prophecy 5 years, 4 months ago
This refers to the Messiah’s first coming and rejection. No mystery here. Jesus is the only one who fulfilled this prophecy.
I agree! A couple of years ago, I was a teacher of English as a second language to several refugees through a ministry held at my church. I had about five of the students of different faiths, Muslim mainly, sit in a row a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 4 months ago
Hi Adam,
You said:
So you think that I am offended by so called Rock of offense?
Yes, you reject the stone that has become the precious cornerstone, obviously. Jesus is not the Messiah according to you and the NT is not God’s Word, also according to you.
You also said:
Your claim of two Yahwehs is some thing strange to Hebrew Bible.
This is what…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Site-Wide Activity 5 years, 4 months ago
“Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.”
Yes, he was the one who appeared to Moses. How do you not understand this? If you have ears to hear, then listen to these verses. They are telling you that God is invisible, a Spirit, and no one can see…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Isaiah 53 in the forum Prophecy 5 years, 4 months ago
This refers to the Messiah’s first coming and rejection. No mystery here. Jesus is the only one who fulfilled this prophecy.
Berean replied to the topic The most high god in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 4 months ago
Amen Danny
There is one body,
and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;One Lord,
one faith,
one baptism,One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
gadam123 replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 4 months ago
Adam……The exact time of the coming of the Messiah written by Daniel, was given to the Jewish King Herod by the Jewish scribes themselves, that is why he went about killing the Male children under two years old in Jerusalem, sure seems they know when the Messiah would be born right? How do the Jews disclaim that fact in their denial of Jesus…
Johnyy replied to the topic The most high god in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 4 months ago
The Bible is the inspired Word of God.
The Hebrews didn’t develop their God to be the only God.
Yahweh was and is the one and only God.
“I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5Berean replied to the topic Daily Devotions in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 5 years, 4 months ago
Hi To all
Are you tired of hearing about disasters? News agencies find it difficult to keep up with the frenetic succession of earthquakes, cyclones, floods, fires and tragedies in transport by land, sea or air. It is not just an improvement in journalism; this is a substantial increase in these facts. Jesus said that there would be “anguish…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 4 months ago
Adam……The exact time of the coming of the Messiah written by Daniel, was given to the Jewish King Herod by the Jewish scribes themselves, that is why he went about killing the Male children under two years old in Jerusalem, sure seems they know when the Messiah would be born right? How do the Jews disclaim that fact in their denial of Jesus…[Read more]
Berean replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 4 months ago
Hi To all
YHVH IS THE DIVINE NAME OF THE FATHER AND SON.
IN PSALMS 24 WE SEE THIS FOR THE SON…..
Hebrew Transliterated
24:8 MY ZH MLK HKBVD YHVH ‘yZVZ VGBVUr YHVH GBVUr MLChMH.
Latin Vulgate
24:8 quis est iste rex gloriae Dominus fortis et potens Dominus fortis in proelioKing James Version
24:8 Who is this King of glory? The LORD s…[Read more]gadam123 replied to the topic The most high god in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 4 months ago
The Divine Council motif in the Hebrew Bible
§1. The Ugaritic and Canaanite Background to the Divine Council
It is generally accepted that Israelite religion “was much closer to Canaanite religion” than to the religion that the Hebrew Bible advocates (Cook 2005: 7). It is most likely that Israelite religion was directly influenced by, and deve…[Read more]gadam123 replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 4 months ago
Paul understands the Father is also our “kurios” Lord, and Paul understands that Jesus is also our theos. In the context of 1 Cor 8:6, Paul is identifying two persons who are our God and Lord. In the NT when the context is speaking about the Father and the Son, they are typically distinguished as God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. That doe…
gadam123 replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 4 months ago
Yes it is about YHVH of hosts Himself, it is also about you because you are stumbling over the truth that Jesus is the Rock of Offense in Isaiah 8. I’m sorry to say that you, Adam, are among the many that shall stumble and fall and be broken and be snared, and be taken, v. 8:15. You are not alone here in that. Most of the members here are s…
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 5 years, 4 months ago
Hi Adam,
Regarding 1 Peter, you said:
Again 1 Peter taken a portion of scripture from Isaiah 8;
8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the…
Lightenup replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 4 months ago
Mike,
You asked:
Kathi, do you really think Paul was saying that the Father isn’t also our Lord?
Paul understands the Father is also our “kurios” Lord, and Paul understands that Jesus is also our theos. In the context of 1 Cor 8:6, Paul is identifying two persons who are our God and Lord. In the NT when the context is speaking about the Father a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 4 months ago
Prov 8
22Jehovah possessed me — the beginning of His way, Before His works since then.
23From the age I was anointed, from the first, From former states of the earth.
24In there being no depths, I was brought forth, In there being no fountains heavy waters,
25Before mountains were sunk, Before heights, I was brought f…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Even demons believe he is the son of God in the forum Scriptural Teachings 5 years, 4 months ago
Hi Mike,
Yes, Pebbles, not Bambam. When I realized that I got the name wrong, the “edit” button was gone, haha.
You said:
The Bible ALWAYS identifies God with SINGULAR pronouns and verbs. But PLURAL families (the Flintstones) or entities (the YHVHs) would not be characterized with singular verbs and pronouns.
We say the Flintstones…
Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Proclaimer Heb 1/Psalms102 in the forum The Hot Seat 5 years, 4 months ago
@Proclaimer,
In Heb 1, I have written in parenthesis who I believe the pronouns apply to, maybe you can do the same exercise so we can see where we differ.
Heb 1:
1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He (the Father) has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He (the…[Read more]
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