Gene:  God is never used as a “proper” Name   Itself 

Genesis 1:1… In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The very first verse in the Bible, Gene.

Gene:  To all… NO one has produced “any” scripture showing “ANY” activity of Jesus Pryor to his birth on this earth.  Not even one scripture. 

That’s not true, but even if it were, what would it mean?  We didn’t know anything about Gabriel’s existence prior to his visit to Daniel, right?  Does that mean that Gabriel either didn’t exist, or did a…[Read more]

Gene:  A word , any word,  is not a person,  it is the EXPRESSIONS  of a person…

Gene, in ancient Abyssinia, the king would not have a direct audience with his subjects.  Instead the king had a spokesman, who would speak the decrees of the king to the people.  That spokesman was called “Kal Hatze” – which means “The Word of the King”…[Read more]

Proclaimer: As another example.

‘adam is the Hebrew word for ‘man’.

So Eve was adam, but she is not Adam.

In other words, she is part of mankind, but she is not Adam the first man.

Adam is an identity. adam is a nature. Either can claim the latter. Adam can claim both. He is Adam (The Man) and he is adam (mankind).

Now you only need to take i…[Read more]

Berean: Jesus Said us WHEN He WAS on earth that he came DOWN from HEAVEN

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.(John 6:38)

WHY YOU cannot beleive what JESUS Say about what he Say WHEN He Say That he came DOWN from HEAVEN ???

That is an excellent question.  Gene, why do you call him “Lord, Lord…[Read more]

Berean:  It is true, as a man Jesus cannot do anything of himself, the Father works in him ….
And in the beginning Jesus worked for the creation of angels and worlds according to the will of the Father and by the DIVINE Power inherited from the Father (JOHN1: 1-3)

Everything you said above means that Jesus is lesser than his God, who does the wo…[Read more]

Gene:  Jesus was referring  , “to his “PRESENT”, EXISTENCE,  Was more “IMPORTANT’  then Abraham to them is or was.

Keep saying it, and I’ll just keep correcting you.

Jesus did NOT say, “Before Abraham I am”.  Jesus DID say, “Before Abraham CAME INTO EXISTENCE, I existed.”

Carmel:  GOD AS A SPIRIT INITIATED CREATION AFTER HE ESTABLISHED A UNIQUE CARRIER SPECIFICALLY FOR HIMSELF, AS BEING A SPIRIT, THOUGH HE EXISTS, CANNOT ACTUALLY LIVE WITHOUT A CARRIER, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT GOD, WHO OCCUPIES ETERNALLY THE ENTIRE INFINITE EXISTENCE, LACKS MOVEMENT WITHOUT A CARRIER. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE MORE CREATURES HE…

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Mike…..if The word GOD IS A person. Then which God is he,  why does scriptures  say,“the God “of”, This or the God of that?  So obviously the word “God” , is a ‘description’ of a kind of “relationship ” the different people of the earth had with things , like rocks, stones, living  creatures and so forth.  God is ever used as a “proper” Name   Its…[Read more]

perfect others know 2 abram brought yahweh with him when he left a culture of pantheon worship. he was a war god in the old pantheon. wasn’t long after he took over the trade route. 4/5 king war. anyone know if the rules of smashing children head off stones were applied

i disagree that paul’s christ is not from abraham’s lineage. one was war god,…[Read more]

Berean:  The celestials angels are under His direction. (Rev.19)

Michael the Archangel also has angels under his direction.  Satan also has angels under his direction.  Having other angels under your direction is not an indication that you are not also an angel.

It’s simple:  Angel = spirit messenger of God.   Jesus is a spirit messenger of God. …[Read more]

Gene: Mike…….Even if we agree with you interpretation , about the word “ginomai ”…

No, no, no.  There is no “even if”, Gene.  The word means to come into existence, and the word is right there in John 8:58.  Jesus said, “Before Abraham CAME INTO EXISTENCE, I have existed”.

Gene:  …sure Jesus existed before Abraham,  in the plan and will of G…

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Hi Adam,

You: It’s quite interesting to see that a non-trinitarians can say Amen to a Trinitarian’s post.

Me: I’m not a Trinitarian.
I haven’t made up my mind yet. I’m still learning.

All I’m sure of and what I believe is that Yahweh is the Most High God.
And Jesus Christ is His beloved Son.

Adam: I find this is complete deviation from Hebrew concept of Messiah who was meant to be human being and not a god or spirit being…

In what way, SPECIFICALLY, is it a “deviation”?  The messiah was indeed a human.  But like I’ve told you before (and it fell on deaf ears), God can create human children of Abraham from stones – which would mean t…[Read more]

Proclaimer: So how was the Word WITH God?

Was the Word created through the Word?

“Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.”

Whenever we see the phrase “all things” or the word “everything” in scripture, we must run it through the 15:27 test, which is…

1 Cor 15:27

For he “has put everything under hi…[Read more]

Gene: The word God is not any “PERSON”…

THE WORD DESCRIBES A “RELATIONSHIP ” you have with something… 

The word God is about your beliefs…

Hi Gene,

God is most definitely a person.  All of the gods in the Bible are individual people, including YHWH, Satan, Michael, Gabriel, Dagon, Ashteroth, Chemosh, and Jesus.

Adam:  Of course, El was the father of all the gods, so Yahweh quite naturally was one of his children. Deuteronomy 32:8–9 explains how El Elyon (‘Most high God’) divided the nations among the seventy children of El, with Lord (Yahweh) receiving his share:

When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons o…

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To all… NO one has produced “any” scripture showing “ANY” activity of Jesus Pryor to his birth on this earth.  Not even one scripture. 

Peace and love to you all and yours…….gene

Adam……Proclaimer’s last post is right,  Jesus was God the fathers sacrifice for the Penalty of eternal death for our sin.  He is the sacrificial lamb of good, that God offered,  why/,  because God requires a payment for sin. He couldn’t just force us without that payment being made,  and seeing none of us sinner could make that payment and…[Read more]

The messiah according to some is a king who restores the kingdom of David.

But that is not a savior or Christ, that is a king.

Jesus is the king. But he is also the saviour and messiah.

What do you think the law was about when a lamb was sacrificed for the sins of the people.

That was only temporary. Is God going to sacrifice a lamb without…[Read more]