Proclaimer:  If the Son was not first then who was the first to be with God?

This is a very good point that you’ve made here for years.  If we assume that Jesus is God, then there would have to be a very first son that this combo God brought forth into existence, right?  And as ComboGod’s firstborn son, surely we’d be told about him, right?

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Carmel:  THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH TO ME AND TO MANY OTHERS, EVEN IN THE OT, THOUGH NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED  THE TITLE “GODMAN”

Neither that title nor the idea is mentioned in any scripture.  Jesus was a god in heaven alongside his own God before the world began. Then Jesus was a man on earth.  Now Jesus is a god again who sits at the rig…[Read more]

Mike:  So then “divinity” doesn’t necessarily mean “omniscient”?

 

Berean: You do not understand
Jesus put aside his divine attributes to live the human way
On earth, he received through the Spirit of the Father what he had to say and do and therefore he depended entirely on his Father.

I understand what you said – and agree with it.  But I’…[Read more]

Berean: Mike

God did not perform a miracle through his Son to create the universe.

What we know from scripture is that God did the miracles on earth through Jesus… and that God created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them through Jesus.

Hebrews 1:1-2… In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  How come it doesn’t say the god Jesus met a woman at a well. Or the god Jesus died for us. And in Heaven he is not described as a god with eyes like fire.

That’s like asking why the word “god” isn’t included in every mention of YHWH… or even Satan – who we know is “the god of this world”.  But let me reverse it on you… If Jesus [Read more]

Mike

God did not perform a miracle through his Son to create the universe. THE ONLY SON BEGOTTEN HAS INHERITED HIS FATHER’S ABILITY TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE.
IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?

Berean: “a god”
This is not what the Bible conveys to make us understand WHO IS JESUS….

THAT IS TO SAY THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD
“A god who is not THE Most High God” is exactly what the Bible conveys about Jesus.  Also…

John 3:16-17… For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that everyone who believes in him shall not per…[Read more]

Adam……Another point to consider ,   Was Jesus dealing with the salvation of Carmel nation , or with eternal salvation of all human beings? ,  the Salvation Of Jesus was for eternal life,  the Jew’s salvation looks to their physical salvation as a nation. Big difference in what kind of salvation we’re talking about, The Jews rejected their eter…[Read more]

Adam……I agree with that also brother.

peace and love to you and yours Adam……….gene

Isaiah 45:14Thus saith the Lord: The labour of Egypt, and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and of Sabaim, men of stature shall come over to thee, and shall be thine: they shall walk after thee, they shall go bound with manacles: and they shall worship thee, and shall make supplication to thee:

only in thee is God, and there is no God besides t…

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But if you say that Jesus Christ is the Word that was with God before the cosmos, that he emptied himself and came in the flesh, was obedient to God, sacrificed for our sins as the Lamb of God, rose from the dead as death is defeated, and is now in the glory that he had with God before the cosmos, then you have zero…[Read more]

Adam…….The animal sacrifice “for the saved”,  Will never be needed again, it’s not talking about those who are not saved, as the world will be when The Messiah Jesus  returns and rules over them along with the saved Saint’s .  The JEWS of this world will still be,  as they were before THE MESSIAH JESUS RETURNS , they are not spiritually minde…

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So in this I do strongly agree with you Adam.  I believe you problem has to deal with not so much how the true apostles or original writers , but more with the false concepts applied to those scriptures by the Fallen or Present Apostate Church’s apply them. IMO

Hi brother Gene, thanks for your agreement on the myth of preexistence of the Me…[Read more]

Adam…….The animal sacrifice “for the saved”,  Will never be needed again, it’s not talking about those who are not saved, as the world will be when The Messiah Jesus  returns and rules over them along with the saved Saint’s .  The JEWS of this world will still be,  as they were before THE MESSIAH JESUS RETURNS , they are not spiritually m…[Read more]

ADAM……I also believe that the biggest myth of all,  is thinking Jesus preexisted his birth on this earth. Jesus never address himself as having a actual personal pass relationship with God,  he  always used present tense language,  except where he was referencing prophetic subjects MATTER. I have ask here before for anyone to show me ANY DIALOGU…[Read more]

The biblical significance of the story
Prof. Siegfried J. Schwantes
LUCK AND PROVIDENCE
By His Providence God acts both in nature and in history. This view of Providence was a basic presupposition of the authors of the Bible and was tacitly assumed by Christian thinkers in the Middle Ages and thereafter. However, it was not until the end of the…[Read more]

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Daily meditation

August 21, 2021

THE CROSS AND THE LAW

Let him who is wise understand these things! May he who is intelligent understand them! For the ways of the Lord are straight; the righteous will walk there, but the criminals will stumble there. (Hosea 14.10)

THE CROSS PROCLAIMS to the host of heaven, and to the unfallen worlds…[Read more]

Sin and Atonement

Outreach Judaism Responds to Jews for Jesus;

The central goal of Outreach Judaism is to respond directly and effectively to unyielding Christian missionaries who specifically target Jews for conversion. As overzealous, fundamentalist denominations grow worldwide and Jewish evangelism continues at a feverish pitch, the…[Read more]

This video argues that this Book of Jasher is not the book mentioned a couple of times in the Bible.

Hi Adam,

YOU: This is the biggest mythology of the NT stating that the supposed Messiah was preexisting his birth and was sacrificed as a Lamb for the sins of the world. Such concepts on Messiah are nowhere found in the Hebrew Bible.

ME: I’m afraid NOWHERE SEEN IS MORE PROPER!

Isaiah 45:14Thus saith the Lord: The labour of Egypt, and the…[Read more]