• Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Berean,

    You copy and pasted a bunch of verses, offered zero explanation or what they mean to you, AND most importantly, you asked no question. Explain what exactly am I suppose to respond to? Your pointy fingers!??! I have said in the past “pointy fingers” do NOT explain what is going on in your mind and I cannot interpret them to know what your…[Read more]

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    @DT

    Hey DT you still haven’t responded to my last message (who is the Word? #946498)

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    @Gene,

    You keep running away from this question, where/when did God say the Messiah was to die for the “purpose of” and/or “because of” the sins of the world and to be this propitiation on behalf of mankind to appease HIS wrath against you? It really doesn’t matter if the Jesus took on the sins of the world or not and settled the debt of sin or…[Read more]

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    Berean……What you and E.G. White says proves your lack of understanding of the truth.  There are so many errors in what you and White and the rest of “modern Christianity” teaches, but time will tale, won’t it? What I have told you is the “truth”.

    My only subjection for you is to get away from the teachings of  that Church and E.G. White, bef…[Read more]

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    Hi all,

    THE PRICE OF OUR DELIVERY

    Knowing that you have not been redeemed with perishable things, such as silver or gold…but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. (1 Peter 1:18, 19)

    “You know,” said Peter, “that you were not redeemed with perishable things, silver or gold. “Oh, if it had been enoug…[Read more]

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    The Don’s NY Criminal Case Explained Without The Spin

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    DT…..Death doesn’t , but obedience unto death does,  that may be hard for you to comprehend, but Jesus “demonstrated” what it takes to have a right relationship with God the Father. It take putting our “WILLS” to death, and complete obedience to God the Father, exactly as Jesus was and is, and he demonstrated the ‘Faith’ required of us all in or…[Read more]

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    @Proclainer,

    Proclaimer, you’re off on a tangent, slide back over and explain what the purpose of Jesus’s death was; why did he have to die? Why did God send his human begotten son as a sacrifice “for” the sins of mankind, when HE is against human sacrifices?

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    @Gene,

    You: What Jesus did was to “demonstrate” to us all, what it takes to have a right relationship with God the Father.

    Me: This still doesn’t answer the question, how does death create a right relationship with God? God never said to die for your sins to be in a “right relationship” with him, only to repent and turn from your them, AND to fo…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer, yes our vile bodies do need to be changed, and will be at the return of Jesus, but remember what else Paul said,  Php 3:14-15…..> “I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling “OF GOD”, “in” , the anointed Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect , be thus minded: and if in any thing you be otherwise minded, “GOD” sh…[Read more]

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    DT you said……>What then was the point of Jesus’ death? Why did Jesus say he had to die?

    What Jesus did was to “demonstrate” to us all, what it takes to have a right relationship with God the Father.

    The apostle Paul said the same thing about himself,  1 Co.2;4-5….>“AND my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but…[Read more]

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    DT…….If Jesus death paid off everyone’s sins. Then why are people still dying, and their bodies corrupting in the grave.

    Death remains in the body, but life in the spirit. His death was not for the purpose of saving our bodies, but our souls.

    The Bible states that in heaven, Christ “will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his g…[Read more]

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    The Camel and Needle Did Scholars Mistranslate Jesus’ Famous Saying? Mark 10:25 states: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is

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    Cyrus the Great was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire and the king of Persia from 559 to 530 BC. He is best known for his role in ending the Babylonian captivity and allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. He is considered a hero in Jewish and persian history. His empire, at its height, was the largest empire the world…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    What then was the point of Jesus’ death? Why did Jesus say he had to die?

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT…….If Jesus death paid off everyone’s sins. Then why are people still dying, and their bodies corrupting in the grave. Jesus died but his body never saw corruption, he was resurrected before it corrupted in the grave, why?   Because he never sinned and therefore  his body was never destroyed in the grave as our are.

    What killed Jesus was a b…[Read more]

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    @Gene,

    If the Jesus died for the “purpose of” and “because of” the sins of the world, but didn’t “pay off” any sin debt, what was the point of his death? I thought the Jesus was the “unblemished sacrificial lamb” that “atoned for the sins of the world”; this “sin sacrifice” didn’t pay anything off? At least the bull did.

    Also, explain how a p…[Read more]

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    Hi all

    THE FIGHT OF PRAYER

    At that time Jesus went to the mountain to pray, and he spent the whole night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)

    The Mount of Olives was the favorite place where the Son of God meditated. Often, after the crowd had left him to let him enjoy the rest of the night, he did not sleep, although exhausted by the occupations of the…[Read more]

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    DT…..Where did I say Jesus didn’t die for the “porpoise of”,  or “because of” the sins of the world?  What i said was,  Jesus didn’t die, “because of”,  or the “purpose of”  “PAYING OFF”, our  sin “debts” in our place,  we must all repent of our own sins.
    Jesus’ life was to “demonstrate” to the whole world how to have our sins forgiven, and h…[Read more]

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