Danny: If Christ is the only begotten of the Father, then we cannot be begotten of the Father in a literal sense. It can only be in a secondary sense of the word.

But how do you know that Jesus being “begotten” of God isn’t also in a secondary sense of the word?  What in scripture tells you that the Greek word “gennao” refers to a literal “…[Read more]

@mikeboll64

Read this.

Merged topics

Does God continue to support his creation (the earth, the suns, all the planets etc.) by (through) Jesus Christ in the same way that He (God) created everything by (through) JESUS CHRIST. ???
…. GOD CONTINUALLY TRANSMITTING HIS CREATIVE POWER TO THE SON AND HIS POWER TO SUPPORT HIS CREATION …. CONTINUALLY …. ???

Hebrew 1: 3
and upholding all t…

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Adam:  Christianity created myths on Messiah and made him non-human and alien to us.

Do you also consider God to be “alien to us” because He is also “non-human”?

Proclaimer: I’ve rebuilt this topic and merged some smaller old topics that were on the same subject. Not sure if this will resolve the “from jammin” problem.

I still get the “from jammin” notifications, but it’s not a problem.  I was just trying to find out if Adam or Carmel WERE jammin, posting under new names.  It wasn’t that big of a deal ei…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Do you hear that, Gene and Carmel?  The last Adam (ie: Jesus) became a spirit.  He is not a man in heaven, guys.  He is a spirit now, as are all of those who dwell in heaven.  Flesh cannot see, enter, or inherit the spiritual kingdom…[Read more]

Mike:  In which scripture(s) can I read about “glorified spiritual flesh”?  

Carmel: YOU ARE STILL LIVING ON MILK!

Jesus Christ GODMAN!

Etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah for enough words to make a novel.  🙄

Carmel, try talking less and saying more, okay?  I await your scripture(s) in which I can read about “glorified spiritual flesh” – because y…[Read more]

sonofGod:  Who? how about “what is the word”?

The word, or logos is defined by a message not emphasizing the actual words or means used to communicate the message but the intent of the message sender.   Another Greek word, rhema, emphasizes the actual words used to communicate the message.  Both are important.

Logos is the message, the intende…

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Hi Mike

The bottom line is that God, not Jesus, is our Creator.  

Does God continue to support his creation (the earth, the suns, all the planets etc.) by (through) Jesus Christ in the same way that He (God) created everything by (through) JESUS CHRIST. ???
…. GOD CONTINUALLY TRANSMITTING HIS CREATIVE POWER TO THE SON AND HIS POWER TO S…[Read more]

Berean:  ...the time will come when you will realize that JESUS IS OTHER THAN YOU THINK
TRY TO TELL HIM IN FACE: JESUS YOU DID NOTHING CREATED…

Point taken.  I always try to say that the scriptures don’t say that Jesus created anything at all – unless you count the whip he fashioned from cords.  I try to word it that way because we don’t know ex…[Read more]

Adam:  It’s good that you dropped the idea of ‘billions becoming Christians’.

It’s not “dropped”.  I said let’s just forget about that part for now.  I’ll come back to it later.  I just wanted to remove it for now because it was giving you an escape from directly addressing the questions I asked.

Admin:  Overall, the older topics work, so I won’t try and find a fix. But I will try cloning the topic and I will test it to see if that fixes the notifications.

I still get the same notifications, but now the pages have 10 posts instead of 15, and so there are a lot more pages to this thread than before.  Neither of these things need to be add…[Read more]

Gadam

CHAPTER 9 OF DANIEL HAS JESUS CHRIST FOR CENTER ,. THE OINT OF THE LORD GOD.

COMMENTS THAT FAIL TO ENHANCE THIS CENTRAL POINT ARE OF NO SPIRITUAL VALUE TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD.

Adam: I always wonder what is this “God created all things though him”?

Me too.  What exactly does it mean that God created all things through Jesus?  We’re not given any specifics, so we’re left with the knowledge that God is the one who created, and He did that through Jesus somehow.  The bottom line is that God, not Jesus, is our Creator.

Adam:  Yes but the actual reason is whenever someone clicks the reply to your post you will get notification.

Ahh… now that makes perfect sense.  I don’t ever click the “Reply” button.  I just copy and paste the other person’s comments into my post.  So apparently the notification only happens when people do click the “Reply” button.

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Mike:  Did John make up a fictional character who did miracles?  Or was this “Jesus” in John’s writings a real person that John knew?

Adam: Sorry I am not going for your tricky questions.

Nothing tricky about it, Adam.  Jesus is included in secular historical accounts, therefore he definitely existed.  Christians believe that he existed as…[Read more]

Adam……..but you see Jesus is involved in the human creation, he is God perfection of his (God) the Father’s  “human” creation.   Jesus is the ultimate Goal for us all. He is what God the Father had in mind, before he ever created the earth and the things that are in it.  You see that is the point of the word (dia) , they falsely interpret…[Read more]

All of these show , on the account of, or for the reason of,  but never saying  the person himself was the one “doing”  it. They add their own meanings to scriptures and force the text to say what in fact it is not saying.
They even use the reasonings of the blind Pharisees to back them up. Not even understanding Jesus spoke to those Jews in Par…

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Adam……yes it certainly can ,  everyone here believes he or she is right, and are wrong in many things.  Proclaimer, put others down who disagrees with him,  and this is a man who believes all things were made through and by Jesus,  according him , but he doesn’t  even know , who or what Jesus was before his birth on this earth,  haven’t…[Read more]