• Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Gene,

    Matt 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.”

    Luke 1: “34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT…….Being “born”  of Spirit,  is not saying “you are a Spirit” , it simply mean the Spirit is what generates you to life, we are all born by Spirit, all creation is Spiritually activated.  But Jesus plainly said “he was not a Spirit”.  “After his resurrection from the dead in-fact”.  But that doesn’t do you any good,  because you have rejected th…[Read more]

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    We’re now building The New Jerusalem, the Holy City, My Wife, for God’s greatest glory! Alleluia! Amen! OK, True, Correct, Success, Wise, Hurray! YES! Perfect! <3 O:) * (Y)

  • Profile picture of Berean

    Hi all
    Seize life”
    By a single act of justice life-giving justification extends to all men. (Romans 5:18)

    The ineffable gift of God cannot be bought with money, intellect cannot grasp it, power cannot command it, but to all who will accept it, it is freely offered by infinite grace of God. Men can sense their need and, renouncing all ind…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Gene,

    How can the Jesus be the “root and offspring of David” when he was born of the spirit? You do understand what the “seed” of someone is…right?? I have no issue in “denying” this claim as I understand the difference between being the “seed” of someone and “conceived of the spirit”…do you?

    You: You have drawn your own conclusions , you h…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    DT…….Jesus himself said, there would be a future event when he would come in great honor and glory, when he would establish the Kingdom of God on this earth,  That time is soon to take place, Then what will you say, when he tells you ….“I have clearly said……”I am, the root and “offspring” of David”.  Will you deny those words in that day?
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    @Proclaimer,

    You: the messiah came to fulfil many things spoken of and ritualised.

    Me: I have asked over and over again if Jesus accomplished what the Tanakh said the Messiah was to do when he comes, and even provided references from the Tanakh asking if Jesus accomplished what was said. None have provided an answer.

    You: Now we live in a time…[Read more]

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    In the past there were things that took place as a shadow of things to come.

    Then the messiah came to fulfil many things spoken of and ritualised.

    Now we live in a time when we see the fulfilment and it is up to us to accept or reject these things.

  • Profile picture of Proclaimer

    Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @T3

    Slightly confused with your response as it has nothing to do with our previous conversation; which addressed the heart of everything the NT is dependent upon, Jesus being the “messiah.” If the Jesus is the “messiah”, did he fulfill everything the Tanakh said the Messiah was to do? If the Jesus didn’t fulfill what the Tanakh said he was to do…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    T3……Good post. It is truly by “Faith”, in God the Father, and “IN”  Jesus Christ, we see that “FAITH” at work> 

    peace and love to you and yours T3……..gene

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    @DT

    While Romans 3:21-23 is fairly well known and often quoted:

    “21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Berean,

    Moses used blood to seal the covenant between God and the Israelite’s and nothing more; to keep asking the same question isn’t going to change my response. The plain words written say only that. It’s christianity that wants there to be more to help support its idolatry; I say idolatry, because anything that comes between you and God I…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    Berean…….Blood is a metaphor for “life”, remember what Jesus said, ……> “whosoever will save his life will lose it, and whosoever loses his life for my sake, will save it”>.   We must all come to pour out “our lives” (the way we live), in obedience to God the Father, just as Jesus did, (blood is the symbol of life)  in scripture. Therefore…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    @ DT

    Why did Moses use blood?
    Everywhere in the OT, in the sanctuary service in particular, there is talk of animals being slaughtered and blood sprinkled on the veil…etc.
    We cannot put this aside, because there is a profound reason, and it is not a minor question, nor a human invention but a divine institution which certainly had to be…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Berean,

    You: For me this blood symbolized the blood of Christ for the erasure of sins (ultimate goal)

    Me: This is a fascinating response, your personal belief overrides the words written. Even though the sprinkling of the blood was to solidify a vow, a covenant between God and the Israelite’s and has nothing to do with atoning for anything, y…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    What I can say is that the real hell does not yet exist, I mean the place of punishment as the bible describes it in Revelation 20.
    SO !!!!????

  • Profile picture of Berean

    @DT   You Say:

    To answer your question, Moses sprinkled the people because a vow had been made between God and them. Now why do you think Moses sprinkled blood on the people and what was “symbolic” in him doing so?

    Me

    Thank you for your answer but why  is blood used here and other occasions in the OT.

    For me this blood symbolized the blood…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Berean,

    Let me point out, in nothing you wrote did you explain anything; you asked three questions and exclaimed “THE POINT IS THERE” as if by reading one verse I now have the full understanding of what you’re trying to convey. Has the intelligence of people really dropped this much? Do we not understand a conversation is a series of answe…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    @DT

    And Moses took👉 the blood, and sprinkled it on the people,👈 and said, Behold👉 the blood of the covenant,👈 which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.(Exodus 24:8)

    Why the blood
    was sprinkled on the people by Moses?

    Quite simply, why sprinkled blood?

    What does this mean or symbolize?

    THE POINT IS THERE.

    I SAY NO…

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