@Danny Dobbs,

@Berean,

This is NOT difficult! I never said Israel was sinless and most certainly NOT blameless in their actions against G-d, this is the reason the Israelite’s are in exile!!! This is the reason G-d sent the prophets, to warn them of what was coming if they didn’t change and turn back to G-d. Are we reading from the same tex…[Read more]

Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum

The Paradox
Anyone who sets out to discover what the Old Testament says about the coming of the Messiah will quickly encounter paradoxical elements. At times, it may even seem like a mass of contradictions, for the Jewish prophets painted two distinct portraits of the coming Messiah.

On one hand, the researcher will…[Read more]

@ DT

He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had committed no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth.

In what way could this verse apply to Israel?

What Danny Dabbs told you about this is correct:

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So!?

@Danny Dabbs,

I see you ran directly to accusations verses answering questions or proving your stance. Please tell me what my sin is and have need to cleanse myself for.

I stumbled across a verse (Amos 3:7) and have mentioned it a few time now and have been met with complete silence, it confirms the Jesus is NOT the true Messiah. According to…[Read more]

@Danny Dabbs,

It describes the servant as innocent.

Go back a few post where I showed how “innocent” the Jesus was; he was violent, deceitful, was desired, and he wasn’t so hideous that people avoided him. For most of it I gave NT passages showing who the Jesus really was. So your the Jesus doesn’t fit Isaiah 53 either.

The general christi…[Read more]

@Berean,

You were told it was a singular person; now prove it. I can prove the nation Israel was referred to the singular many times, so to say this passage specifically refers to a singular person (the Jesus) means nothing without evidence. To “believe”/“trust”/“have faith” that this passage is referring to the Jesus also means nothing, as…[Read more]

You see clearly that it is a person, this particular servant.

5] But HE was wounded 👉for our transgressions, HE was bruised 👉for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was 👉UPON HIM; and with HIS stripes we are healed.

@Berean,

If it’s about a person then you DON’T want it to be about the Jesus because he failed in every instance! You still haven’t proved 53 is speaking of the Jesus; where as I have gone thru the first part of the chapter compared it to the NT and have found fault after fault AND gave you sources for verification. Now who is being stubb…[Read more]

You are very wrong to be so stubborn.

Don’t you see that the text is about a person?

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“His face was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men,”

@Berean,

You really need to live up to your moniker “Berean”…remember they are the ones who verified everything.

Don’t thank me for filling in the blanks you were asked to fill in; that’s laziness on your part or the lack of understanding.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on…

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99.9999% on Earth are blinded by the darkness, 99% of all religion is false.

Where did you get these statistics?? There are about 8 billion people on this planet, it would mean there are only 800,000 who aren’t “blinded by the darkness.” This is an interesting statistic considering there are an estimated 9 million Jehovah Witnesses in the world…[Read more]

The chapter before (52) and after (54) are also about Israel; so why is 53 suddenly about the Jesus?

@DT
Thank you for your response.

So according to your understanding, 53:6 would be Israel.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him (Israel) the iniquity of us all.

This cannot be…[Read more]

A few post back I made a statement of how the christian is taught the bible confirms itself; now I have a passage that states exactly that, Amos 3:7 “For the Lord God will not do anything in the world, unless He first revealed His secret to His servants, the prophets, in order to warn the people.” So nothing is hidden and if the Jesus was this suf…[Read more]

@Berean,

Apparently you don’t want to go over this chapter again.

As far as who is speaking in the chapter, I’ll fill in the blanks for you since you can’t:

52:13-15 – God describes the suffering and eventual restoration of the servant (Israel) and it shocks the nations.
53:1-3 – The nations restate what God said in 52:13-15.
53:4-9 – The nat…[Read more]

If Jesus came as a mortal on Earth today–they would kill him. Why? Man lives in fear-not love. At the end of the Great tribulation ( Rev 16)Every kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead into standing in opposition to Gods king( Jesus)—- they come to kill it says. They are mislead now and are standing in opposition. 99.9999% on Earth…[Read more]

You do realize the question I asked will cause you to answer your own questions. This will be a series of questions and subsequent answers for you to verify and for you to prove me either right or wrong.

You’re asking a question I have already answered in previous post; I have been over this chapter verse by verse. So to ask this question again…[Read more]