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    @Danny,

    Not worried, the Jesus didn’t fulfill what was prophesied about The Messiah. Unless you can prove he did.

    Did you read Amos 3:7? “Certainly the sovereign LORD does nothing without first revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.” Where is it prophesied in the Tanakh The Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried and…[Read more]

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    @desiretruth,

    1 John 2:23 says that whoever denies the Son denies the Father as well.

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    @Berean,

    Talk about being “under the law”, isn’t observing the Sabbath part of the “law”? Why is observing a Jewish command so important to the SDA? Why does the SDA only seek to convert the christian and NOT the “unsaved”? Sound a little upside down and backwards.

    The “command” was actually an example set by G-d to take a day and rest as HE did…[Read more]

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    Hi

    How did the Puritans argue in favour of remembering the Sabbath day even under the New Covenant today?

    The Sabbath is a moral commandment, binding on the world today, for at least five reasons:

    1. The Sabbath was first instituted in paradise, in the state of innocence (Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:11, Mark 2:27), before any ceremony existed,…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer, you go on to quote from Mark 4:11-12, except you left out verse 12 where the Jesus says he speaks in parables so the everyone other than the disciples would not perceive or understand and therefore not turn from their wicked ways and repent. How does the Jesus fulfill the last portion of 53:9 where there was “no deceit in his m…

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    Isa 53:9 translated from the Hebrew (found on biblehub) when translated says “in his deaths”, I didn’t write this, Isaiah did! The  christian interpreters mistranslated the Hebrew text. Even the NET bible admits this plurality seems to be out of place and attributes it as being a “mistake” and “fixes” it to the singular; BIG PROBLEM, the Heb…

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    @Berean,

    Who is this “innocent” figure, this servant? Christianity says it’s the Jesus, but using the words of the NT we find the Jesus ISN’T all that “innocent.” Judaism says it Israel and what’s crazy is we are told who this “servant” is.

    But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend. (Isa 41:8…[Read more]

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    @Danny,

    Of course it’s simple for the christian, they have found a passage that sounds like the Jesus and therefore is the Jesus. If you would have been following what I have been writing from the beginning, you would have found it impossible for this to be about the Jesus. I gave examples from the NT showing how he was violent, was deceptive,…[Read more]

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    @desiretruth,

    For me Isaiah 53 ist very clear.

    The servant was suffering and dying on behalf of Israel’s sin.

    Easy and simple.

     

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    @ DT

    The figure in Isaiah 53 was innocent. But was Israel?
    Huh?

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    @Berean,

    If the expression “his death” was in the plural, the expression “his grave” would ALSO be in the plural.

    How many “graves” can one person be buried in? Why are you shooting the messenger, I’m reading the original text!! The text your OT is based upon! Jump back to 43:10 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have ch…[Read more]

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    @Danny Dabbs,

    @Proclaimer,

    Does nobody read for comprehension anymore!?!? Is there anyone who will verify what I am saying?? What I am finding is why I walked away from christianity. I began asking questions I was apparently NOT suppose to be asking and at one point was told by a pastor I shouldn’t study so much and pray more. What was he a…[Read more]

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    @ DT

    If the expression “his death” was in the plural, the expression “his grave” would ALSO be in the plural.
    But that’s not the case.
    It is indeed one person and not several.

    9] And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth

    And they made His grave…[Read more]

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    A fairly literal reading of Isaiah 53:9 is:

    “His grave was with the wicked, and with a rich man in his death, though he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.”

    A modern Jewish translation, the 2023 JPS Tanakh, says something very similar:

    “His grave was set among the wicked, and with the rich, in his death … though he had d…[Read more]

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    @Berean,

    You keep wanting this to be about the Jesus and it simply isn’t so. The passage you question (vs9) is yet another mistranslation of the Hebrew. The Hebrew for “in his death” is בְּמוֹתוֹ and is the singular form. What is written is בְּמוֹתָיו (verify on biblehub) and is in the plural “in his deaths”, so the passage should read: “An…[Read more]

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    @DT

    You did not answer the question in verse 53:9

    He was assigned 👉 a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in 👉 his death, 👈though he had committed no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth.

    In what way could this verse apply to Israel?

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