We actually do know.  It was WITHIN the six days of creation – which occurred about 6000 years ago.

Who is we? The Flat Earth community?

Gene, Mike has fallen into the trap of fighting for a narrative despite the evidence. This sort of behaviour forces people to ignore good arguments and evidence. In effect, they make themselves blind because their ability to reason is impaired.

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…

Mike…….scripture seem to indicate the earth became void.

GEN 1v2…..And the earth (was) without (form),  and (void) ; and darkness was on the face of the deap.

Hebrew words for (was)  and (form) and (void)

(Was)…. a primitive root, to exist, that is (be “OR”  “BECOME”, as in CAME TO PASS .

(Form)….a unused root  meaning to (lie waste;…[Read more]

How Yahweh, the Tribal God of Israelites became universal God?

Yahweh is the name of the state god of the ancient Kingdom of Israel and, later, the Kingdom of Judah. His name is composed of four Hebrew consonants (YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton) which the prophet Moses is said to have revealed to his people. As the name of the supreme bein…[Read more]

Hi to all

Daily Devotional

Give us this day our daily bread” (Matthew 6:11).

When Jesus wants to teach his disciples to pray, he reminds them that their personal needs must come after God, his kingdom, his kingdom, his glory. The request: “Give us our daily bread” comes after the reign of God. Let us ensure that our prayers are not centered p…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your detailed reply to my post. I know you can not agree with my post in full as I have already stated that I differ from you on the origin and evolution of the Biblical religion.

You know you always state that Jesus, the first century Jew was created as god among many gods of the Bible which I negate because this was purely…[Read more]

Some today believe and teach that the entire universe was created in six 24 hour periods because yō·wm has been translated as ‘day’ in English.

While I am not saying this is an incorrect translation, what I am saying is that yō·wm / has two meanings as I will demonstrate and the rule applies for English. The meanings are:

1. 24 hours (So…

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PROCLAIMER, DO YOU AGREE WITH GOD HIMSELF IN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE THAT THE VERY CREATION OF THE HEAVEN AND EARTH IS INCLUDED IN THE SIX DAYS OF CREATION, AND NOT EXCLUDED FROM THOSE SIX DAYS AS YOU’VE PREVIOUSLY CLAIMED?

I agree that it says “in six days the LORD made heaven and earth” in multiple places in the bible.

But I am not sure if thi…[Read more]

Carmel: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” </span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Mike, When that was, we don’t know. Billions, trillions of years ago, we don’t know.</span>

We actually do know.  It was WITHIN the six days of creation – which occurred about 6000 years ago.
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Proclaimer:  See how the first day ends when all that has already taken place?

I already addressed your misunderstanding in this very thread about an hour ago.  I also addressed it in the private thread.  Quote how I addressed it, and THEN make an argument.  It’s not a “discussion” if you just keep posting the same drivel as if other people hav…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Okay, so your answer is that God made all the plants and after that, they bore fruit and produced seeds all within in a 24 hour period, despite the text making no such claim.

If you are going to copy things from the private thread and bring them here to discuss, great!  I want everyone to see you get exposed.  In fact, there wo…[Read more]

Mike:  Oh, and don’t forget that “science” doesn’t “say” anything at all.  So your statement about “science saying otherwise” is made out of ignorance – as I’ve recently taught you.

Proclaimer:  You do not understand science…

No… YOU don’t understand science.  If you did, you’d understand that science is an INVESTIGATION… the PU…[Read more]

For example, God didn’t make heaven until the second day.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and…[Read more]

Okay, so your answer is that God made all the plants and after that, they bore fruit and produced seeds all within in a 24 hour period, despite the text making no such claim. Thank you for being honest. Clearly, you forced yourself into this to support your narrative. People can now see how unscientific you are and how unscriptural you are being…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You: This whole mind-numbing experience started when you claimed that the heaven and earth of Gen 1:3 and beyond
were not the ORIGINAL heaven and earth. 
Me: Just read your deviation in the above:

I NEVER SAID THAT PLAIN CONFUSION!

GOD ETERNAL, INITIATED ONCE HIS CREATION AND IT CONTINUES FOREVER NO MATTER WHAT!
FROM HIS SIDE POINT…[Read more]

Okay, so your answer is that God made all the plants and they then bore fruit and produced seeds in a 24 hour period. Thank you for being honest. People can now see how unscientific you are. I have another question, but I see a lot of noise in your posts above. Was your question in there? If so, can you post it?

You do not understand science. We can see the heavens with telescopes. We image the globe everyday with satellites. We have geologists that can analyse rocks. This is science. What you are doing is the opposite. And science questions itself. Whereas, you have dodgy dogma only. And you ignore the most blatant evidence which we will be going through…[Read more]

Kathi, read my most recent post to Gene on this very subject.  It’s higher up on this same page.

Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may consider and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, and after Me none will come.

1 Corinthians 8:4
So about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that<…[Read more]

Berean: That said, I would like you to comment on this god mentioned in 2 Timothy 2:3,4…

Mike, for you, who is this “man of sin”,”shewing HIMSELF” THAT HE IS GOD”.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4…  Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. He wi…[Read more]