LU:  Mike, do you want to show us where I “demanded an apology” as you claim? If you can’t show us then perhaps you want to acknowledge that for all to see. Asking you to “acknowledge” things is not the same as asking you to apologize for them. 

Mike:  *Note to Lightenup:  The above “quotes” are not verbatim words that you said, but are my own pa…

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Gene,

You said: Paul was saying that to the brethren in Eph 6v23.  In your last post,  Paul representing both God the Father “and” Jesus , but not as the same person.  As your trying to do. I do believe you know what the word (and) means right, it means two different persons, like Joe and Mike . The are not the same .

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LU:  Would you say that the blanks could have also said that Jesus was a Co-Yahweh with God or something similar to that?

Why would a person who’s named “Jesus” be a “Co-Yahweh”?  Sure, “Yahweh our Righteousness”, right?  But the city of Jerusalem is called by the same title – which by the way, is properly translated as “Yahweh IS our Ri…[Read more]

Mike said: “You said ‘X’ in another thread, and you need to take it back and apologize before I address your posts that actually have to do with what we’re supposed to be discussing here”.  *

I never demanded an apology from Mike, I just wanted him to prove his accusations with facts, not opinions and if he could not, then he needed to acknowle…[Read more]

LU: Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Notice that Jesus is included with the Father as distinct from the brethren. Over and over you can see that if you are willing. 

Paul is also “distinct” from the brethren in that verse.  As he is in this statement to the church in Cor…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

You said: Not a “son”.  Not a “they”.  Not a “Yahweh Unity of the Spirit”.  Just our heavenly Father named Yahweh – who is a single male person referred to as “he”.

Simply put, we disagree. Many can see it. Sorry you won’t.

Who can see it, Kathi?  The only one I know who believes that God is a unity of Yahweh the Father and “Yahweh t…[Read more]

LU:  I asked him to admit to many false accusations which he didn’t agree with and ended up lying to me about some things and I told him that we weren’t going to be able to discuss anything until he faced those false allocations he made about me. I told him that I would be happy to discuss after he faced them but he denies them. I’m not intere…

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Berean: Carmel, Gene,

You have no reason to doubt the FACT” that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days as we know them (i.e. 24-hour days). (Exodus 20:11 and 31:17)

Correct.  And let’s add Proclaimer and anyone else who holds Scientism in higher authority than God’s written word to that list too.

Mike: Carmel, in Ex 20:11 and 31:17, Yahweh Himself includes the very CREATION of heaven and earth WITHIN the six days of creation. 

Carmel: THAT’S ONLY ACCORDING TO YOU!

It’s according to me BECAUSE it’s according to scripture.

Mike:  The Bible leaves NO room for Gen 1 to be talking about a heaven and earth that are different from the ones that…

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Carmel: Now read these translations hereunder, THERE ‘S NO AMBIGUITY AT ALL! 

KJV. Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life OF THE LAMB  slain from the foundation of the world.

Apparently you didn’t understand what the NET scholars were saying.  The ambiguity lies in the placem…[Read more]

Carmel:  As you can read, both verses have different concepts.

No they don’t.  Both verses contain a book of life which has existed since the foundation of the world.  In one of the two verses, we’re told that this book of life belongs to the Lamb who was slain.

Berean:  The truth is that Jesus was made, (generated, “ginomai”) ​​so much better than the angels(not the OTHER angels)
Putting the word “OTHER” changes the whole meaning.

Simple question Berean:  Is Jesus a messenger of God?  Yes or no?

Carmel: John: 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 2The same was in the beginning with God.

ME: Mike in the above scriptures, John mentioned TWO BEGINNINGS!

Is John1:1 a  reference to Genesis 1:1?

Is John1:2  a reference to Genesis 1:3?

It is the same beginning in both verses.  And in this cas…[Read more]

You want to hear something else funny that just dawned on me?

Gene:  The language of the text in Gen 1:1&2,  does lend itself to a past existence,  Mike.

I find it hilarious that Gene, who has been ignoring countless scriptures here for over a decade in order to argue AGAINST the preexistence of Jesus has now begun ignoring scriptures in order to…[Read more]

Do you guys want to see a funny blast from the past?  This is Proclaimer just last week, making the inane strawman argument that if you believe one thing in the Bible is literal, it means you MUST also believe that EVERYTHING in the Bible is literal…

And this is Proclaimer from FOUR YEARS AGO, trying to make that same inane argument – and…[Read more]

LU……There exists, no vine NOR HUMAN, that did not come from another (branch) exactly like it,  and there exist no branch , that did not come from another vine exactly like it also, they “ALL”, come from one planting,  of “ONE”,  God.  JESUS is a human being , a HUMAN,  FROM HUMANITY,  FROM “ONE”,  GOD, as we “ALL” are. 

Matt 23:9…..…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Yes, the Bible says God created the heavens and earth in 6 days, but would it also be correct to say that God made the heavens and earth in a day? Yes / No.

No.  It would be correct to say, “in THE day when God created the heaven and the earth”, or, “in THAT day God will create a new heaven and a new earth” – but no, I don’t know of a…[Read more]

Mike:  SINCE I’M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE LIGHT GOD MAKES SHINE IN OUR HEARTS AND THE LIGHT WITH WHICH GOD WILL ILLUMINATE NEW JERUSALEM IS NOT SUNLIGHT, PLEASE PROVIDE ANY SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR YOU TO INSIST THAT THE LIGHT GOD MADE SHINE OUT OF DARKNESS IN GEN 1:3 MUST BE SUNLIGHT… OR CLEARLY AND DIRECTLY ADMIT THAT THERE IS NO SCRI…

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You actually responded to my three questions at the bottom of the previous post FOUR YEARS AGO…

So first you admitted that since the days in the creation account include a morning and an evening, are accompanied by a number, and are directly EQUATED to six literal 24-hour days by God Himself in Ex 20:11 and 31:17, they are more likely than…[Read more]

I’ve actually been throwing the “brick” you just now “discovered” at you for FOUR YEARS!

D4T and I were trying to smarten you up on the different meanings of the word “day” 4 years ago, Proclaimer.  It is no secret that the Hebrew word “yowm” – EXACTLY like the English word “day” – can be used for the 12 hour daylight portion of a day, the…[Read more]