Berean:  LIKE MANY, I CONSIDERED IT COULD BE SUNLIGHT…

It can’t very well be sunlight if the sun didn’t exist until 3 days later.

Proclaimer: So the heavens, earth, light, day, and night were already established. Can you see that?

If so, then what is Day 4 about?

If your premise is flawed, so will be your conclusion.  But we’ll get to that after I see how you address those first three points I made to you today.  (I don’t want to overwhelm you.)

Berean:  I don’t agree on everything with Mike, far from it…

Really Berean?  You had to add “far from it”?  😅😂

Just messing with you.  I believe that we agree on many more things than we disagree on. 🙏

Proclaimer:  Your moon theory is easy to explain. I took a video of the moon with feathered edges, so that debunks you.

Your video shows no feathering whatsoever.  Nor does it show a specular highlight.  Both are REQUIRED on a rock in outer space that is lit up by a single light source.  But neither can be seen on any photo or video of the moo…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  God’s own description say The Day he created the heavens and earth. And this including light took place BEFORE the conclusion of Day 1. 

You have argued that Gen 1:1 means that the creation of heaven and earth were already completed (and what follows is how God “terraformed” the earth), right?  And you seem to think that the crea…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  The sun is both part of the heavens and is also light. Maybe you are unaware of that.

You like to imagine that the creation of “heaven” INCLUDES all the things IN heaven, like the sun, moon, and stars.  Why do you do that?  You don’t conflate “the day God created the earth” with “the day God created the earth, the sea, vegetation, fi…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Nope. God’s own description say The Day he created the heavens and earth. And this including light took place BEFORE the conclusion of Day 1.

You are already aware that the word “day” can be used idiomatically to refer to an unspecified general period of time, so we don’t have to go over that again.  Unfortunately for you, the plu…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  If people can be pillars, then there is no reason to believe that the earth sits on stilts just as people are not stilts. Spiritually minded people will understand what it means. Carnal men will only see a physical pillar. Likewise, when Jesus returns  he will have a samurai coming out of his mouth rather than understanding what it m…

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Hi Mike,

You: If you didn’t think pilots could see the curve, then why did you ask specifically about pilots?

Me: Well, some pilots or maybe some explorer pilots in all our history must have flown to the edge or even beyond the edge.

You: The above is one of the many great facts contained in “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball”. They are a…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  The first problem is that you need to come up with a complicated answer whereas the heliocentric model is really simple and this one single model makes all phenomena simple like the orbits of wandering stars for example.

Are you under the impression that the current heliocentric model just popped into existence and explained…[Read more]

Proclaimer ….. The term “firstborn”,  can be taken many way, for instance , Jesus was the “firstborn” from the dead, “firstborn” from human kind to enter the kingdom of God. The term “firstborn” can also mean first in place,  like before everyone else, espically when relating to humanity. You as well as i know Jesus is the “Protoype” of what G…[Read more]

If you walk 10,000 kilometers straight along the earth’s surface, turn 90 degrees to your right, walk 10,000 kilometers more, turn right again and walk another 10,000 kilometers, you’ll be back to where you started, having successfully made a triangle with three 90 degree angles. As any geometry student can tell you, this is IMPOSSIBLE on a FLAT surface.

There are a lot of holes in your understanding.

Because God had already created the heavens and the earth before Day 1 concluded.

You do realise that the Sun is part of the heavens right?

Heavens and earth is the universe.

Are you saying that there is the heavens and earth and the sun and moon are not part of that description?

I feel like you…[Read more]

But of course, Proclaimer
Why wouldn’t that be the case? For God EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE…

Do you believe he created day and night before the end of the first creation day?

Proclaimer

I believe that God created light in the first day…ok ? No problem for that .

Day OF 24 jours

Sun , Moon, stars in the fourth day …no problem .

So you admit to gaps in your understanding. That is okay.

Proclaimer

Exactly, I have no other answer than: WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
THAT IS TO SAY: “LET THERE BE LIGHT, AND THE LIGHT WAS.”
And as I told you, FOR GOD EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, AND HE DOESN’T NECESSARILY NEED LIGHTS TO CREATE LIGHT. AND SO I DON’T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THIS….
I HOLD TO THE LITERAL 24 HOURS AND THE CREATION OF THE…[Read more]