I’ve explained my rules, right?  You refused to follow them, right?  The subject is closed UNTIL you follow those rules.  End of story.

Let me translate this for you. You cannot bring back the sun.

I wonder why? Maybe because the heliocentric model is true and you cannot bring back the biggest physical light in the cosmos from our point of view.

Pretender:  Personally speaking, and God is my witness, my opinion was the raqia being most likely the first and second heaven.

Okay.  I guess it’s fine by me if you want to think the ONE raqia is BOTH the first AND second heavens.  Just remember that it still all boils down to one very simple thing…

The sun, moon and stars are IN the raqia, an…[Read more]

BOOMERANG!  More insults from a person who is literally speaking about HIMSELF!

Only a clown would think that the Bible recording what the Pharisees actually DID say is somehow the Bible being wrong.

Once again you are making false assumptions. Read my post again. I am stating that men say things in the bible that are not true, but historically…[Read more]

Pretender:  Blah, blah, blah… bring back the sun… blah, blah, blah.

I’ve explained my rules, right?  You refused to follow them, right?  The subject is closed UNTIL you follow those rules.  End of story.

Notice how you’re speaking scripturally now.  You’re correctly calling it THE raqia, and distinguishing it FROM “the heavens” in general by acknowledging that it is a particular part OF “the heavens”.  That’s BIG progress!

Thank you. but I never denied such in the first place. I simply stated that God called the raqia – heavens. Accepting that…[Read more]

Pretender: Recording what a person says does not make the bible wrong.

The Pharisees said, “Jesus uses the power of Beelzebul to force demons out of people.

And what’s wrong about that Biblical statement above?  Are you arguing that the Pharisees DIDN’T say what the Bible records them as saying?

Pretender:  You are lacking in critical thin…

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It proves deep down, you have no confidence in your own theory. If you did, you would bring back the sun and the whole world would be in wonder. But you would prefer not to win, but instead argue about a raqia that in itself is zero proof that the world is flat.

I’m not buying it. But I can clearly see the ramblings of a man who lost.

Pretender:  Blah, blah blah… bring back the sun… blah, blah, blah.

You know my rules.  Get to it or leave it alone.

Mike:  “The heavens declare the glory of God… AND… THE raqia shows His handiwork.”

 

Proclaimer:  If the raqia is called heaven, but lets say specifically a part of the heavens, then good.

Notice how you’re speaking scripturally now.  You’re correctly calling it THE raqia, and distinguishing it FROM “the heavens” in general by acknowledg…[Read more]

So then what you’re saying is that this particular line of the Bible is WRONG, right?

Recording what a person says does not make the bible wrong.

The Pharisees said, “Jesus uses the power of Beelzebul to force demons out of people.

However, I am not even saying that David was wrong. He says clouds cover the heavens. Thus the context of hea…[Read more]

I tend to steer clear of wild goose chases.

The important thing here is you cannot bring back the sun because it has set. Even scripture says the sun sets. You say it means something else, but refuse to bring back the sun and put this to bed. But you are happy to bring back small boats into view that never went over the horizon in the first…[Read more]

Mike:  I’ve already addressed this many times.  Find one of those posts, QUOTE what I said to you, and then respond to what I said.  You do it that way, and I’m happy to have a lengthy and respectable discussion about this issue.

 

Proclaimer:  Nope…

Suit yourself.  The three people who read this thread (out of the 5 total members of this for…[Read more]

“Drip down, O heavens, from above,
And let the clouds pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open up and salvation bear fruit,
And righteousness spring up with it.
I, the Lord, have created it.

Mike:  Can you see that CLOUDS are explicitly mentioned as something OTHER THAN the “waters above heaven”?  YES or NO?

 

Pretender:  David or whoever is praising God and is speaking from his own understanding. 

Atta boy!  I knew I could get you there again if I remained persistent enough.  Phew!

So then what you’re saying is that this particula…[Read more]

Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk to a reasonable person for a while.

As long as you don’t mind him laughing. You have provided my family free entertainment, so I guess he could thank you for that.

I see.  So “waters above the heavens” (PLURAL) could mean “waters above the first heaven” (SINGULAR)?  Is that your argument here?  It’s like I’m talking to a freaking idiot.  Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk to a reasonable person for a while.

Could be.

7 Sing to the Lord with thanksgiving;
Sing praises to our God on the…[Read more]

Proclaimer: …waters above the heavens

Could be first heaven…

Scripture has debunked most of your ideas Mike.

I see.  So “waters above the heavens (PLURAL) could mean “waters above the first heaven (SINGULAR)”?  Is that your argument here?  It’s like I’m talking to a freaking idiot.  Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk…[Read more]

“The heavens declare the glory of God… AND… THE raqia shows His handiwork.” ?

If the raqia is called heaven, but lets say specifically a part of the heavens, then good. That doesn’t prove the earth is a floating pizza does it? It would only mean that the raqia was then the first and second heavens. So context would explain which one.

How many raqias are actually mentioned in the Bible?

As many as the contexts.

How many heavens?

As many as the contexts too.

And God called the raqia – heaven.

Boom!

Pretender:  You have not debunked my multiple heavens idea and God called the raqia – heaven.

Multiple times and in multiple ways, Sport.  But I tell you what, don’t make this claim again until you are ready to INCLUDE my arguments in your post, and debunk them.

See, when YOU make an argument, I break it down into segments.  I quote a piece of Y…[Read more]