Pretender:  Blah, blah blah… bring back the sun… blah, blah, blah.

You know my rules.  Get to it or leave it alone.

Mike:  “The heavens declare the glory of God… AND… THE raqia shows His handiwork.”

 

Proclaimer:  If the raqia is called heaven, but lets say specifically a part of the heavens, then good.

Notice how you’re speaking scripturally now.  You’re correctly calling it THE raqia, and distinguishing it FROM “the heavens” in general by acknowledg…[Read more]

So then what you’re saying is that this particular line of the Bible is WRONG, right?

Recording what a person says does not make the bible wrong.

The Pharisees said, “Jesus uses the power of Beelzebul to force demons out of people.

However, I am not even saying that David was wrong. He says clouds cover the heavens. Thus the context of hea…[Read more]

I tend to steer clear of wild goose chases.

The important thing here is you cannot bring back the sun because it has set. Even scripture says the sun sets. You say it means something else, but refuse to bring back the sun and put this to bed. But you are happy to bring back small boats into view that never went over the horizon in the first…[Read more]

Mike:  I’ve already addressed this many times.  Find one of those posts, QUOTE what I said to you, and then respond to what I said.  You do it that way, and I’m happy to have a lengthy and respectable discussion about this issue.

 

Proclaimer:  Nope…

Suit yourself.  The three people who read this thread (out of the 5 total members of this for…[Read more]

“Drip down, O heavens, from above,
And let the clouds pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open up and salvation bear fruit,
And righteousness spring up with it.
I, the Lord, have created it.

Mike:  Can you see that CLOUDS are explicitly mentioned as something OTHER THAN the “waters above heaven”?  YES or NO?

 

Pretender:  David or whoever is praising God and is speaking from his own understanding. 

Atta boy!  I knew I could get you there again if I remained persistent enough.  Phew!

So then what you’re saying is that this particula…[Read more]

Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk to a reasonable person for a while.

As long as you don’t mind him laughing. You have provided my family free entertainment, so I guess he could thank you for that.

I see.  So “waters above the heavens” (PLURAL) could mean “waters above the first heaven” (SINGULAR)?  Is that your argument here?  It’s like I’m talking to a freaking idiot.  Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk to a reasonable person for a while.

Could be.

7 Sing to the Lord with thanksgiving;
Sing praises to our God on the…[Read more]

Proclaimer: …waters above the heavens

Could be first heaven…

Scripture has debunked most of your ideas Mike.

I see.  So “waters above the heavens (PLURAL) could mean “waters above the first heaven (SINGULAR)”?  Is that your argument here?  It’s like I’m talking to a freaking idiot.  Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk…[Read more]

“The heavens declare the glory of God… AND… THE raqia shows His handiwork.” ?

If the raqia is called heaven, but lets say specifically a part of the heavens, then good. That doesn’t prove the earth is a floating pizza does it? It would only mean that the raqia was then the first and second heavens. So context would explain which one.

How many raqias are actually mentioned in the Bible?

As many as the contexts.

How many heavens?

As many as the contexts too.

And God called the raqia – heaven.

Boom!

Pretender:  You have not debunked my multiple heavens idea and God called the raqia – heaven.

Multiple times and in multiple ways, Sport.  But I tell you what, don’t make this claim again until you are ready to INCLUDE my arguments in your post, and debunk them.

See, when YOU make an argument, I break it down into segments.  I quote a piece of Y…[Read more]

Not at all.  I’ve already addressed this many times.  Find one of those posts, QUOTE what I said to you, and then respond to what I said.  You do it that way, and I’m happy to have a lengthy and respectable discussion about this issue.

Nope, neither you or any other flattie has a video of bringing back the sun after it has gone over the curve.…[Read more]

 Can you see that CLOUDS are explicitly mentioned as something OTHER THAN the “waters above heaven”?  YES or NO?

David or whoever is praising God and is speaking from his own understanding. Whether the clouds are above or in the midst is not really conclusive. According to the Psalmist, the clouds cover the heavens. So when you look up and see c…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Mike  you guys claim to bring back small boats from over the supposed curve. Great. Now for something easier. Bring back the sun.

Cat got your tongue?

Not at all.  I’ve already addressed this many times.  Find one of those posts, QUOTE what I said to you, and then respond to what I said.  You do it that way, and I’m happy to have a le…[Read more]

waters above the heavens

Could be first heaven. There are at least three.

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.

Scripture has debunked most of your ideas Mike.

Like what?  I debunked your “multiple raqias” argument.

Nope. Your being stupid again.

You have not debunked my multiple heavens idea and God called the raqia – heaven.

You have no answer. Cat got your tongue again?

Proclaimer:  Sounds like clouds to me.

Ha!  You were posting the answer to my question WHILE I was still posting the question!  😁

Okay then, let’s talk more about the clouds in the MIDDLE of the sky being the waters ABOVE the sky…

Psalm 148 is waiting for you…

Pretender…

1.  Can you see that the psalm is broken up into “things of heav…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I have never said this is the only interptetation. I have simply put forth a few views that you couldn’t debunk.

Like what?  I debunked your “multiple raqias” argument.  I debunked your “clouds in the MIDDLE of the sky are the waters ABOVE the sky” argument.  And I debunked your new desperation attempt “okay the waters might be above…[Read more]