@ DesireTruth

So you are explicitly disregarding the verse in I Peter because it doesn’t agree with your theology?

Me

No  why???

The Father predestined his Son when he was not yet BEGOTTEN in HEAVEN. What I also believe is that the Son OFFERED HIMSELF as a sacrifice for sin.
The Father did not force His Son’s agency. It is a freewill of…[Read more]

@ Berean,

So you are explicitly disregarding the verse in I Peter because it doesn’t agree with your theology? Perplexed how one can ignore what “foreknown/foreordain” means, especially when it comes from a disciple that Christ walked, talked, and taught for 3.5 years? You say the Jewish understanding is a must, but I’m starting to think it real…[Read more]

The Story Of COVID’s Creation

Jodi

Your breaking of biblical “missiles” have no effect on the truth expressed in John 1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
👉and the WORD was GOD……….AND THE WORD WAS…[Read more]

John 3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

John 16: 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are…[Read more]

@desirethruth

You

The “goings forth” means origins and some translations render it this way. You say this is a forward looking backward, when it is actually pointing to the future.

Me

The Micah’s Prophecy

show two things

1) an event that will come after the time of Prophet Micah…..👉
the birth of the Son of God in the flesh 👉
….”yet out…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

There is ONLY ONE sending of God’ Son into the world. I already gave you in my first post how it is that Jesus is God’s Son, he was born of the Spirit. Furthermore, as he was the only mortal man to have been born of the Spirit without measure, called to righteousness, by such he was God’s only begotten Son.

My position is that in all…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Our understanding of Micah 5:2 is quite different. This passage for you is evidence to the “preexistence” of Christ. What it actually speaks of is a ruler who’s origins were foreknown from the beginning.

The Aramaic translation puts this verse in another perspective:

And you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you are little among the thous…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for posting on this topic!

I will respond directly to your post incorporating the scriptures you cited, but I would like to see you respond specifically to those I sighted in my first post and see you counter the position I gave that was based from them. That would be much appreciated!

Gene

What does that have to do with what I was telling you before?

Berean…….Jesus said (not me)…..“this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU”,  the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, and Jesus Christ who you have sent”. 

And again scriptures says (not me) …….“but unto us there is but “ONE” God, and one “MEDIATOR”,  between God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ”. 

And again scripture says (not me) …..“GOD IS NOT…[Read more]

Stabilized Sky Time lapse Visualizes Earth’s Rotation
Why stabilize it? To remove ourselves on the surface of the earth in order to see it from the perspective of not moving with the rotation of the earth.

A rigorous argument for Intelligent Design
Nowadays, the media often depicts science and Christianity as in a constant state of conflict and strife. However, this has not always been the case since many of the most famous scientists in history were devout Christians. In this statement, Dr. Stephen Meyer clarifies that the two are not in conflict…[Read more]

Hi to all

Continuation

The Battle of the Bibles

Chapter Fourteen

Dividers of the Faith

The Christians of the early fourth century must have welcomed the news of Emperor Constantine’s
conversion to Christianity (circa 313 AD). For long and weary years, they had felt the oppressive heel of
Diocletian, the pagan Roman Emperor, who used the…[Read more]

It’s incredible how some people without access to proper education dismiss education as fraudulent. Nonetheless, basic observations of the Earth confirm it to be a planet. In fact, humans deduced the Earth’s spherical shape approximately 2500 years ago by observing the following:

1. Ships sailing off into the sea
2. Lunar eclipses
3. The horizon at…

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@ DesireTruth

It seems to me that I asked you a question which you did not answer.
About the origin of the Son of God in relation to Micah 5:2
I asked you to tell me what you thought of it.
here…i’m waiting
THANKS

@ Berean, you state in reference to Col 1:16-17:

“BECAUSE BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED ….(see v. 16-17)
In other words CHRIST ORIGINALLY HAD TO BE OUR CREATOR IN ORDER TO BE OUR REDEEMER”

Please scripturally support Jesus is our creator and “had” to be “in order” to be our redeemer.

Psalm 33 (read the entire chapter). Jesus is the creator…[Read more]

Hi  Jodi

The end of the verse 16 IS NOT” By reason of him …..”

BUT  👉 “BY HIM “….

BECAUSE

“IN HIM” IS THE SAME THAT ” BY HIM”

For by/in him were all things created, …….

,……. all things were created by him, and for him. 

ALSO, for my understanding
by reason of him, it’s the same as: for him
and it is repeating itself to say “b…[Read more]