Berean,

YOU: Proverbs 30:4 IS saying THAT God hath a Son BEFORE THIS ONE IS MADE FLESH.

ME: It says no such thing it’s speaking of prophecy that aligns perfectly with 1 Chronicles 17 and other passages. 

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment?…[Read more]

@ Berean,

So the truth is you can’t reconcile Deut 18 to a preexistent Christ; so are now choosing to ignore it.

Prov 30:4, did your read the chapter? I don’t understand why Jesus has to be injected into everything read in the old testament? Are you sure you’re an Adventist, starting to sound like a Southern Baptist!

Beginning in verse 1 we fin…[Read more]

Hi Jodi

Proverbs 30:4 IS saying THAT God hath a Son BEFORE THIS ONE IS MADE FLESH.

ALL THE TEXTS YOU QUOTE, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST. BUT YOU USE THEM TO CANCEL THE TRUTH.
YOU MUST NOT USE THE BIBLE TO MAKE THE BIBLE LIE.

🙏

Good Morning Berean,

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

Why are we back on Micah? Didn’t I explain it well enough the first time or have you rejected it? 

Me

Micah tells us that the origin of the Messiah dates back to OUTSIDE ETERNITY.
OF COURSE IT IS THE UNCORRUPTED BIBLES THAT SAY THIS.

Proverbs 30:4 tells us among other things that God has a Son, AND IT IS BEFORE THIS LATTER BE…[Read more]

@ Berean,

Explain what you believe is happening in Proverbs 30:4; what does it mean?

To say I am stuck on the Deut. passage tells me you haven’t any idea how to justify your belief to the passage. The language is simple and nothing is hidden in it, so it can be read and understood for what it literally says.

Why are we back on Micah? Didn’t I e…[Read more]

@Gene

“Please show us where Jesus ever said he preexisted as a living being before he was born on this earth?”

Me

Proverbs 30:4

👉Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? 👉what is his name,👉 and what is…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….Jesus is both,  firstborn, from the dead and firstborn into the kingdom of God,  how is that hard for you to understand?  Did JESUS not say,  (not me). “You must be born again”?  Even so he had to be born again also.

Why are you always trying to make Jesus appear different then we are?  Jesus is the “first of many brethren to…[Read more]

You( desir Truth)

Phil 2 does NOT mention anything about “preexistence”, it says Christ “existed” in the form of God; try again.

me

To live in the form of God, one must be God. And the Son of God (Proverbs 30:4/John 1:1) was God and WAS WITH the GOD in the BIGINNING before the World  WAS (John 17:5)

you:
John 1:14 flesh is what the word bec…[Read more]

@ desire Truth

The Jews believed it was going to be just a man, not a god-man, not incarnated God, or any other man made idea to explain the Messiah.

Me

The Jews were also supposed
know Proverbs 30:4 and not get stuck on Deuteronomy 18.

And how is it that the Jews crucified the Messiah announced by the prophets, one of whom tells us that his…[Read more]

@ Berean,

You end your post with “No answer?” Was I suppose to answer this before you posted it!?!? Or is there a misunderstanding in what you wrote; a transnational issue between languages?

What did you explain concerning the Deut 18 verses? Absolutely nothing! You revert back to what you have been educated in and say here’s your proof, just…[Read more]

Hi to all

Here is the Daily Devotional

JONAH ANGER MANAGEMENT, PART 1 

Nineveh was the capital of Assyria, the ruling empire of the day, home to not only the king but also “more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons” (Jonah 4:11). At one point it was the largest city in the world—and, as most cities go, incredibly corrupt. Jonah had be…[Read more]

@desire Truth

You

Deut. 18:15 (Moses speaking) Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from your midst, of your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him.

Deut. 18:17,18 Yahweh said to me (Moses), “They have well said that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you. I will put my w…[Read more]

Alan Watts On Existence

post here

Hi Jodi,

You: A man was to receive the Spirit of God and bring forth judgement to the Gentiles according to Isaiah.

Me: Jodi, Let’s READ THE TRUTH!

YOU SAID ABOVE:

A MAN WAS TO RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD!

NO Jodi, THAT’S YOUR CORRUPTED BELIEF AND REASONING I’M AFRAID!

 HOW LONG I’VE  BEEN TELLING  YOU THAT THE SPIRIT HAS BEEN GIVEN  TO JES…[Read more]

@ Proclaimer,

Post #943063

“Jesus Christ being the first born of all creation and having first place in all things”. Does this mean Christ preexisted or he was first to be raised from the dead and receive God’s glory?

“If Jesus Christ is not the Word or the first to be with God then who was?” Christ is the flesh that came from the word; the…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: A man was to receive the Spirit of God and bring forth judgement to the Gentiles according to Isaiah.</span>

Me: Jodi, Let’s READ THE TRUTH!

YOU SAID ABOVE:

A MAN WAS TO RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD!

NO Jodi, THAT’S YOUR CORRUPTED BELIEF AND REASONING I’M AFRAID!

 HOW LONG I’VE  BEEN TELLING  YOU TH…[Read more]

The New Testament shows us clearly that Jesus Christ existed in the form of God and he emptied himself and came in the flesh. If we reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God, firstborn of all creation, messiah, and the Word of God, then we reject the New Testament. That is fine as we have free will to choose to believe or not. We can only choose for ourselves.