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    That is the consensus, but it is by no means certain.

    If the Jerusalem Temple had already been destroyed, John could be measuring a symbolic temple rather than a physical building. He is told to measure not only the temple and altar, but also “those who worship there” (Revelation 11:1). Elsewhere in the New Testament, believers are called God’s…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer:
    No, its about not casting pearls before swine. If you do that, you put those people into judgment because they have been told a precious truth and then trample on it. It is wiser to not tell them such things, and to give them the basic gospel with the hope that they will be able to receive the deeper things of God.

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    Proclaimer, Revelation was written 96 ce. Its 100% about these last days. The world has been watching the things said in it for many years now.

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    You understand Psalm 22 is poetry…right!! So the events spoken aren’t to be taken literal. The next verse says “I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me”, so David’s bones have eyes?!!?

    It means something, and it is far more likely to relate to the fulfilment of prophecy than to be a random verse with no real significan…[Read more]

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    What about when the Jesus says soon in Rev 1:1; 22:6,7,12,20. My understanding of soon isn’t 2000 years. Even at the foundations of your faith they said the Jesus was returning in THEIR day and many sold everything and waited for the Jesus who never came. This event was called “The Great Disappointment” and these people, who now had nothing, left…

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    Still waiting for you to tell me about what John was measuring in Rev 11 as it would point to him measuring the second Temple as it stood in the first century. Which would then place the book of Revelation BEFORE its destruction and render everything  christianity says about the “End Time” as false.

    Why is that?

    If Revelation was written, say, i…[Read more]

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    @Berean,

    (IBA)

    Your “devotional” is another fine example of parachute theology; I found a verse I like, it sounds like what I believe, and will then apply it to my belief system as proof.

    You quote Mal 4:1-3, did you read the next verse??? “Remember the law of my servant Moses, to whom at Horeb I gave rules and regulations for all Israel to ob…[Read more]

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    Hi
    Does the phrase “the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever” mean the fires of hell will never God out?

    The word translated as “forever” in the Bible does not always mean “without end.” In fact, the Bible uses this term 56 times in connection with things that have already ended. (Sometimes you will need to look up the word “ever” in a…[Read more]

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    @Berean,

    (aka I’ll Believe Anything),

    Did you just “back down”?? YUP!! You sure did!!

    You really need to explain the “millennial reign” because at the end Satan is to be released and deceive many; the question is why didn’t the king Jesus let everyone know this was going to happen and prepare them for this? What happened to the NT bible, did i…[Read more]

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    Hi

    A COLOSSAL CLEANING

    It’s not the most pleasant subject, but when a job has to be done, it has to be done. So—what’s the best toilet bowl cleaner on the market? Instead of providing a list of products, here is what many people say they want from a cleanser: It cleans with a single flush; it tackles the toughest stains; it prevents the build…[Read more]

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    @Berean,

    (aka I’ll Believe Anything),

    So now you’re backing down when it comes to Cain and Abel!?
    Why is that?

    Backing down?!?!?! You have yet to explain anything and constantly shift topics!! You are the definition of “backing down”!! When you can’t explain why you believe what you believe or support your beliefs with G-d’s words (the Tanakh…[Read more]

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    So now you’re backing down when it comes to Cain and Abel!?
    Why is that?

    You’re backing down regarding David’s clothes, too—yet that isn’t symbolic; it’s not just a casual figure of speech…
    Reconsider your position, DT.

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    @Berean,

    Where did the Cain and Abel thing come from?!?!? Talk about random!! By the way, we’ve been over this before; do you not remember?? I asked you what it meant and you couldn’t tell me! Such “strong” beliefs you have when you can’t support what you believe; we call that being gullible.

    You understand Psalm 22 is poetry…right!! So the ev…[Read more]

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    @DT

    On what occasion were David’s clothes divided?

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    @DT

    Gen.4
    And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
    And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
    And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
    And…

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    @Danny,

    You’ve mentioned I John 2:23 twice now, what is your point? We have truth because some NT writer said by denying the “son” one automatically denies the Father? Since the Jesus isn’t The Messiah (unless you can prove he is – beliefs don’t count, evidence does) and I turn my attention to G-d alone, what need do I have of the Jesus?

    W…[Read more]

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    @desiretruth,

    No one who denies the Son has the Father. 1 John 2:23

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    @Berean,

    CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!!

    Go ahead, explain what happened with David’s clothes when we shared them.

    “When we shared them”, say what???

    15 The roof of my mouth is as dry as a piece of pottery; my tongue sticks to my gums. You set me in the dust of death. 16 Yes, wild dogs surround me – a gang of evil men crowd around me; like a lion they…[Read more]

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    Psalm 22:16 in the Hebrew Bible (Masoretic Text) reads “like a lion, my hands and my feet” (כָּאֲרִי יָדַי וְרַגְלָי), while Christian translations often render it as “they pierced my hands and my feet”.

    The Translation Difference
    The Hebrew Masoretic Text: Uses the word ka’ari (כָּאֲרִי), which translates to “like a lion”. Grammatically, it la…[Read more]

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