Who is Jesus?

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     kerwin 
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    Nick Hassan wrote:

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    We do not judge the Word of God or the Spirit that wrote it through men and the choice of God to use philosophical styles in Ecclesiastes and Proverbs.

    I am hoping you are not a divisive man because if you are I am disobeying God by continuing this debate.  May I instead be showing loving patience by continuing to attempt to remove the obstacles Satan has placed in your path?

    If you judge the least of God’s children for using a philosophical argument based on godly precepts then you judge God just like when you hate your brother you hate God, 1 John 4:20-21.

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    But that does not sanctify the philosophy of men which relies on logic and human wisdom and weak measures to try to fathom the ways of God.

    This display ignorance on your part as the wisdom of man is wisdom that depends on the desires of the flesh while the wisdom of God depends on the desires of the Holy Spirit.  Logic can do either just like fire can be used to do good or to do evil.

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    The Philosophers of Athens in Acts 17 loved to discuss trifles to no profit for themselves or their listeners and God passed them by.

    That is not what scripture states.  Instead scripture states that Paul took the philosophy, teaching, he was teaching to the Areopagus so that the educated elite of Athens could hear the message. In Acts 17:34 we are told that certain men among them believed.

    The Greek word “philosophia” translated to philosophy is only mentioned once in the New Testament but it means “love of wisdom”.  Are you making the point that God does not love Wisdom?

    The Greek word “philosophos” is used in Acts 17:18 when speaking about those who invite Paul to the Arepagus.  That definition of that word is one given to the pursuit of wisdom or learning.   Some were seeking the wisdom that comes from God while others were seeking the wisdom of man.

    Terricca is correct that philosophy is a way of life and Jesus taught the way of life, i.e. philosophy, which leads to God.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,
    The wisdom men love is that of other men.
    The men of Athens had no knowledge of the God from Whom true wisdom comes.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,
    The city of Athens was one given over to idolatry.
    The most common objects of such worship is the thoughts of men.
    in a city of many thousands a few believed-the worst crop God harvested through Paul.

    #183947
     kerwin 
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    Nick Hassan wrote:

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    The wisdom men love is that of other men.

    Some men do love the wisdom that is based on sinful desires and that is why television shows, music, and other media appeals to that love.   Some of mankind loves the wisdom of God and these are the ones that Jesus intends his philosophy to reach.

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    The city of Athens was one given over to idolatry.

    Scripture does support that idea.

    Nick Hassan wrote:

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    in a city of many thousands a few believed-the worst crop God harvested through Paul.

    Scripture does not state one way or another how many per population came to believe in Athens and how that ratio compared with other cities.

    In fact there is no evidence Paul brushed the dust of that city off his feet.

    On the other hand we are told that in Pisidian Antioch the persecution was so great that Paul and Barnabas did wipe the dust of that city from their feet, Acts 13:51.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,
    The vain wisdom of men is idolised as much as other proclivities.
    Newton, Einstein…

    Those the world admire are often held in less esteem by God.

    #183961
     kerwin 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,16:00)
    Hi KW,
    The vain wisdom of men is idolised as much as other proclivities.
    Newton, Einstein…

    Those the world admire are often held in less esteem by God.


    God judges whether the phylosophy is of the Spirit of Righteousness or the Spirit of Corruption. It is those those that seek him and his kingdom that he holds in high esteem.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,21:00)
    Hi KW,
    The vain wisdom of men is idolised as much as other proclivities.
    Newton, Einstein…

    Those the world admire are often held in less esteem by God.


    Nick………Therein is the problem , you view (OTHERS) as (VAIN) and (Idolatrous) but fail to see you are just as vain and as they are. , The problem here is you have become a Judge of other mens Faith and convictions, there in lyes the problem. WHO gave you the right to judge Newton or Einstein or anyone else for that matter, WE are told to Judge Nothing Before the time. And He who condemns another condemns himself Why? (because he has taken on the position of GOD), You make accusations of others you do not even know nor do you know there faith or standing with GOD. It is one thing to judges what some is saying regarding a subject, but it is another to cast dispersion on there character which you have (NO) idea of. Even Jesus said he Hated the (DEEDS) of the Necholitians , but did he say he hated them (NO).

    Kerwin is right if you Judge the least of God's Childern using Philosophical Arguments , based on Godly precepts then you are Judging God. IMO

    #183967
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2010,23:26)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,16:00)
    Hi KW,
    The vain wisdom of men is idolised as much as other proclivities.
    Newton, Einstein…

    Those the world admire are often held in less esteem by God.


    God judges whether the phylosophy is of the Spirit of Righteousness or the Spirit of Corruption.   It is those those that seek him and his kingdom that he holds in high esteem.


    Kerwin ….> Amen, brother.

    peace and love to you and yours………………gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2010,23:26)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,16:00)
    Hi KW,
    The vain wisdom of men is idolised as much as other proclivities.
    Newton, Einstein…

    Those the world admire are often held in less esteem by God.


    God judges whether the phylosophy is of the Spirit of Righteousness or the Spirit of Corruption.   It is those those that seek him and his kingdom that he holds in high esteem.


    Hi KW,
    God does not need to judge whether men are following His Spirit or the god of this world.
    Fruit proves the source for men.
    It is obvious.

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2010,05:59)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2010,23:26)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2010,16:00)
    Hi KW,
    The vain wisdom of men is idolised as much as other proclivities.
    Newton, Einstein…

    Those the world admire are often held in less esteem by God.


    God judges whether the phylosophy is of the Spirit of Righteousness or the Spirit of Corruption.   It is those those that seek him and his kingdom that he holds in high esteem.


    Hi KW,
    God does not need to judge whether men are following His Spirit or the god of this world.
    Fruit proves the source for men.
    It is obvious.


    Nick/Kw

    the wisdom of above glorifies God works

    the wisdom of men glorifies the works of men.

    #195505
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    If we no longer know Jesus according to the flesh but he is of the Spirit are some offering another Jesus[2cor 11.4]

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    Men of natural minds can only know Jesus according to the flesh.

    Thence comes deception

    #805119
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    Man cannot live on bread alone but on every WORD that comes from the mouth of God

    Jesus Christ is the Word, the living bread sent from heaven for men to feed on.

    Why do men see the man and not the living bread of his teachings?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    The bread and the waters of Life are the Spirit.

    The Spirit wrote the bible through men and spoke through Jesus Christ, the prophets and the apostles.

    Flesh contributes nothing so acknowledge the amazing works of the God of Israel.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    Matt 12.18f

    Behold the servant whom I have chosen

    My beloved in whom I am well pleased.

    I will put My Spirit upon him and he will proclaim justice to the gentiles.

     

    This is Jesus the messiah, a chosen servant to be anointed by God at the Jordan.

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