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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

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Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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  • May 21, 2015 at 6:19 pm#798134
    carmel
    Participant

     

    In scriptural terms before the Word PROCEEDED FROM God the WORD was God.

    Nick,

    FIRST BE AWARE:

    Hebrews 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

    BUT YOU ARE THE SELFSAME and

    YOUR YEARS SHALL NOT FAIL.

    So from the above we are aware that “THE WORD” although went through VARIOUS FUNCTIONS, AND IT TOOK TRILLIONS AND TRLLIONS OF YEARS, UP TO NOW, AND STILL ONLY GOD KNOWS HOW MORE YET TO GO, since it was eternal, and one with God in the bosom of the Father,

    IT NEVER CHANGED AT ALL!

    SO THAT IS SETTLED!

    NOW

    In my post I never asked you something just to clarify “THE WORD”, but also to clarify the

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON, AND
    THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST

    And also their order of SENIORITY!

    ONCE WE ARE CLEAR REGARDING THIS ASPECT IN RELATION TO THE PROCESS OF “THE WORD” WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSERT FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS SO:

    Are you ready to reveal this course of action,

    I MEAN THE ORDER OF SENIORITY REGARDING :

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON
    THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST and
    “THE WORD”

    WHO WAS ESTABLISHED FIRST,AND SO ON, IN RELATION TO ITS RESPECTIVE FUNCTION?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 21, 2015 at 7:12 pm#798136
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    No order of seniority.

    The Word is the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of the Son.

     

    The Word was in the beginning.

    As the Spirit of Christ the Word inspired the prophets[1Peter1]

    As Jesus Christ the Word became flesh and by that anointing he became the Son of God.

    Now that Spirit of Christ is poured out by the Father into all who subject themselves and submit to the righteousness of God

     

    May 23, 2015 at 7:24 pm#798300
    carmel
    Participant

    supporting the trinity doctrine

    t8,and Nick

    Read hereunder and it is quite clear that Jesus,Himself, THE FLESH BODY ONLY, was actually “THE WORD” ITSELF!

    THE FACT THAT IT IS WELL SPECIFIED AS: THE WORD MADE FLESH!

    John5: 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself:

    So in the truth “THE WORD” ACTED AS A SHELL FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN IT, BUT ONLY THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH IN THIS CASE HE ACTED AS JESUS’ SOUL! THE ACTUAL ABODE OF THE FATHER!

    I HOPE I AM CLEAR!

    In the scripture above Jesus confirmed that He as God’s shell

    HAD LIFE WITHIN HIMSELF,

    and this is a reference to the FLESH BODY ONLY, This is well asserted since Jesus emphatically made it clear with the following verse and said:

    27And he hath given him power to do judgment, because HE IS THE SON OF MAN.

    AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:

    THE SON OF MAN IS ONLY JESUS’FLESH BODY, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WELL UNDERSTOOD,

    JESUS’ FLESH BODY WAS NOT A DEAD SUBSTANCE LIKE OURS WHICH WAS SATANIC THROUGH ADAM’S SIN,

    obvious as I said above it was “THE WORD” SINCE ALL BY HIM, …………………..

    ALSO to notice that Jesus NOT CHRIST, OK? “THE WORD MADE FLESH” WAS

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON, WISDOM, WHO WAS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER WHO WAS EMANATED FROM THE FATHER TO COMMENCE THE VERY FIRST BEGINNING,

    THE ACTUAL TRINITY PROCESS OF “THE WORD” ALL IN THE SON’S SPIRIT, GOD’S OWN  WORD, ITSELF, THEN WHEN ALL WAS CREATED INCLUDING OUR WORLD,

    THIS SPIRIT OF THE SON, THE LAMB OF GOD,   WAS SLAIN HIDDEN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, REV 13:8 AS “THE WORD” CREATED MARY IN ORDER TO BE BORN FROM HER BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,FROM THE FATHER IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME,

    HE  HIMSELF AS A FLESH SHELL, JESUS THE MAN ,THE FACT THAT ALL BY HIM……….

    CONCLUSION:

    NOW, Jesus THE FLESH BODY glorified as JESUS CHRIST, SO HE IS NO MORE THE SAME SHELL JESUS THE MAN, THAT WAS BORN, BUT ONE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT/SUBSTANCE AS

    JESUS CHRIST, GOD THE MIGHTY AND FATHER OF ALL CREATION, ISAIAH9:6

    INTEGRATED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, HIS SOUL, AS

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD/MAN WHO WALKED ON EARTH AND MANIFESTED GOD ALMIGHTY’S WORK ON EARTH FOR FOURTY DAYS

    ONE MORE DETAIL:

    WHEN SCRIPTURES STATE JUST JESUS AND NOT JESUS CHRIST, IT IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON, WHO GOD ESTABLISHED AS ” THE WORD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, AND IT IS STILL SEALED IN NATURE UP TO THIS VERY DAY AND TO ETERNITY, THE ETERNAL LIFE ITSELF, DECLARED IN

    JOHN 6:27Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto LIFE EVERLASTING , which THE SON OF MAN will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed.

    AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:

    THE SON OF MAN, “THE WORD” THE FLESH SUBSTANCE, THE SHELL IN WHOM THE FATHER ABIDED THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    AS YOU CAN READ IT IS CLEAR ENOUGH THAT “THE WORD” WAS ON EARTH AND IS ETERNALLY:

    THE GODHEAD IN FLESH THE BRIDEGROOM TO BE IN THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB!

    AND THIS SAME BODY WOULD BE OWNED BY THE FATHER, ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST,TOGETHER AND WITH ANOTHER NEW BODY :

    MENTIONED IN THE LAST SUPPER:

    MATTHEW 26:29 And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father.

    THE CHURCH, US, THE BODY OF JESUS, “THE WORD” THE SHELL, WHOM JESUS IS THE HEAD, THE BRIDE TO BE MARY! OUR MOTHER DEDCLARED FROM THE CROSS

    THE FACT THAT

    THE HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN JESUS

    “THE WORD”

    ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 23, 2015 at 8:31 pm#798310
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    gnostic mumblings?

    May 24, 2015 at 5:47 am#798330
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    Did God create a man on the spot to become the son of God, the highest in all creation or did he send his son into the world as a baby who was empty of all he possessed before, but took it back up when he was raised into glory.

    Scripture teaches us that as far as the body is concerned Jesus was made of the seed of David. (Romans 1:3)

    May 24, 2015 at 7:25 am#798344
    carmel
    Participant

    No order of seniority.
    The Word is the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of the Son.
    The Word was in the beginning.
    As the Spirit of Christ the Word inspired the prophets[1Peter1]
    As Jesus Christ the Word became flesh and by that anointing he became the Son of God.
    Now that Spirit of Christ is poured out by the Father into all who subject themselves and submit to the righteousness of God

    Nick,

    The Spirit of Christ was only established after Jesus, “THE WORD MADE FLESH” resurrected!

    So Jesus WAS FIRST then He BECAME Christ!

    Now, Jesus “ THE WORD MADE FLESH” existed ONLY AFTER HE WAS BORN AS MAN!
    So Jesus before He was born “THE WORD MADE FLESH” WAS ONLY

    “ THE WORD,” A PARTICULAR SPIRIT within the process of creation!

    So “THE WORD” a PARTICULAR spirit, JESUS TO BE, WAS ESTABLISHED BEFORE “THE WORD MADE FLESH” JESUS THE MAN

    Now “ THE WORD” A PARTICULAR SPIRIT ACTUALLY A TITLE REFERRING TO JESUS THE MAN TO BE, was established in the very beginning!

    BUT THE FACT THAT “THE WORD” WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE DEITY WITH RESPECT TO A NEW PARTICULAR FUNCTION,

    A NEW ENRICHMENT BY THE DEITY WHICH TOOK AN UNFATHOMABLE TIME,

    WITHOUT THAT PARTICULAR FUNCTION, WAS NOT YET “THE WORD” AS SUCH BUT

    A SPIRIT IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER!

    A SPIRIT IN THE WOMB OF THE DEITY NOT YET EMANATED FROM THE FATHER TO COMMENCE ITS NEW PARTICULAR FUNCTION! AS “THE WORD”

    NOW: THE ONLY SPIRIT WHICH WAS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER WAS:

    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON!

    SO THE SPIRIT OF THE SON WAS THE ACTUAL SOURCE AND ORIGIN OF

    “THE WORD”

    SO IT IS NOT AS YOU SAID THAT THERE’S NO ORDER OF SENIORITY!

    READ AND BE AWARE OF THE TRUTH:

    1st. and foremost:
    THE DEITY,  the Son in the bosom of the Father!

    2nd.
    THE SPIRIT OF THE SON EMANATED FROM THE DEITY IN A NEW MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT UNDER THE TITLE OF “THE WORD”  ACTUALLY “THE LIGHT”
    THE FULL POWER OF THE HOLY TRINITY, IN A NEW FORM, FROM THAT OF THE DEITY, IN ORDER TO CREATE!

    THE FIRST MANIFESTED ENRICHMENT OF THE DEITY, ALL IN THE SPIRIT OF THE SON! manifested IN THE WORDS

    LET THERE BE LIGHT!!!!!!

    LUCIFER, matter to be, and “THE WORD” in him as his life source, IN ORDER TO CREATE FROM WITHIN!

    THE CREATION OF THE HEAVENS!

    THE REBEL.

    3rd.
    THE CREATION OF THE WORLD

    UP TO NOW: THE BIG BANG?

    “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, hidden slain within Lucifer/Satana from the beginning of the world Rev.13:8 created all, ended his entire work as a micro creation in the conception, and the eventual body of Mary, AS HER SOUL!

    4TH.
    THEN He perfected all IN MARY, established the perfect mother,BY ABSORBING ALL ONTO HIS FLESH BODY, THE SON OF MAN, “THE WORD” THROUGH HIS CONCEPTION! by the HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’ SOUL, THE SON OF GOD, THE LORD!

    THE WORD MADE FLESH, JESUS BORN SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN! IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN EXCEPT SIN!

    5TH.
    “THE WORD MADE FLESH” JESUS THE MAN IN THE POWER OF GOD BY HIS WORDS!

    6th.
    “THE WORD MADE FLESH” JESUS THE MAN DIED AND RESURRECTED IN A SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY, NOT YET IN THE POWER OF GOD!

    7TH.
    “THE WORD MADE FLESH” JESUS THE MAN DIED AND RESURRECTED IN A SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY,INTEGRATED WITH HIS SOUL, THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BECAME JESUS CHRIST,

    THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST!

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND FATHER OF THE PERFECT CREATION MANIFESTED GOD THE MIGHTY’S WORK ON EARTH FOR FORTY DAYS ISAIAH 9:6

    Genesis2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made: and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

    3 And he blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    NICK ALL THE ABOVE IS NOT MINE, BUT THEY ARE PAST REVELATIONS  BY GOD,JESUS, AND MARY, AND STILL BEING REVEALED, AND WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IS NOT MY CONCERN!

    BUT AS A CHRISTIAN IT IS MY DUTY, AND RESPONSIBILITY TO REVEAL THEM  ON THE WEB!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    May 24, 2015 at 7:31 am#798346
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    So much effort.

    So little usefulness

    May 25, 2015 at 9:41 am#798387
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Scripture teaches us that as far as the body is concerned Jesus was made of the seed of David. (Romans 1:3)

    Yes.

    May 25, 2015 at 10:26 am#798391
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    His spirit was born of the Spirit just as his body was born of the body and so he is first the son of God and second the son of man. He is the chief one of both categories.

    May 25, 2015 at 10:32 am#798393
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    His human spirit was born of the Holy Spirit?

    Any scripture support?

    Did that happen with the prophets too?

    May 25, 2015 at 10:34 am#798394
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    His body was born of woman.Gal 4.4

    He was born under the Law

    He was born under the curse of Job 25.

     

    But you adopted the law but only in part??

     

    May 25, 2015 at 11:04 am#798397
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Romans 8:3-4New King James Version (NKJV)

    3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

    I have even been careful to use the words “righteous requirements” more than once.

    Those that walk according to the Spirit manifest “the righteous requirements” of the Law of Moses.

    “By their fruits you will know them”

    May 25, 2015 at 11:13 am#798399
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Jesus teaches us spirit is born of spirit. Clearly the second one is the Spirit of Christ and the first one is not the Spirit of God as it is eternal. The spirit that is born is righteous and holy in the likeness of God and it is the spirit of the new man. The old spirit is to be put to death for it is the spirit of the old self that died with Christ.

    Jesus has no old self as he has never sinned.

    May 25, 2015 at 11:39 am#798401
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    This theory about putting to death the spirit of man.

    Your own fanciful idea?

    May 25, 2015 at 12:42 pm#798402
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Don’t you remember that God promised his people a new spirit?

    Ezekiel 11:19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

    Ezekiel 18:31Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

    Ezekiel 36:26Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    Thus spirit is born of Spirit even as Jesus teaches us.

    May 25, 2015 at 1:07 pm#798403
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The NEW SPIRIT is the HOLY SPIRIT.

    Jesus did not say that.

    He said in Jn3

    “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit”

    be accurate please

    May 25, 2015 at 2:24 pm#798407
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Means the same thing.

    May 25, 2015 at 2:44 pm#798408
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    No,

    spirits are not born of Spirit.

    Men who already have their own human spirit are

    May 25, 2015 at 3:28 pm#798409
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    That which is born of the flesh is flesh

    Same sentence structure and we know that flesh is born of flesh.

    John 3:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    John 3:6New English Translation (NET Bible)

    6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    May 25, 2015 at 3:33 pm#798411
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The second Adam became a life giving spirit.

    spirit is born of Spirit.

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