1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #284834
    jammin
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    btw the thread has been answered

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    the moderator of this forum can now close the thread

    #284838
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 15 2012,04:43)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,03:16)
    Hi Jammin,

    Perhaps you did not understand my answer?
    My nature is the “New Man”! (see Eph.4:24)

    God bless
    Ed J


    im not asking about the new man.

    are you a man or not?
    is it false or not?


    Hi Jammin,

    I'm sorry if you won't accept my answer. :(   …better luck next time.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284839
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 15 2012,04:44)
    btw the thread has been answered

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    the moderator of this forum can now close the thread


    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 08 2012,14:11)

    false teachers are picking translations bec it does not fit to their doctrine,

    make your own version dreamer boys

    #284840
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,07:37)
    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS SON Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God , and eternal life.

    English sentence structure may yet be difficult for you.
    I have highlighted and colorized this verse for YOU, that way
    YOU can see who the pronouns “HIM” and “HIS” are refering to.

    The “Subject” of verse 20 (God) goes back to verse 18,
    so YOU can see the pronouns are about HIM (YHVH).

                         Here is the same verse in context

    1 John 5:18-21 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he
    that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
    we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Jammin,

    Yes, I have indeed answered the question of this thread!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285001
    jammin
    Participant

    no verse that says that the Son of God (Christ) is not the true GOD.

    what we can read is the father is called the true GOD
    the Son is also called the true GOD
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    the moderator of this forum can now close the thread

    the thread has been answered.

    #285057
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    If you were a son of God and a brother of Yahshua you would not need to postulate but would know.
    The truth would set you free.

    #285082
    jammin
    Participant

    nick

    you are the one who needs to be enlightened.
    study hard.

    #285095
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Do you worship the God of Jesus Christ with him?
    Jn 20.17

    #285188
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2012,05:51)
    Hi Jammin,
    Do you worship the God of Jesus Christ with him?
    Jn 20.17


    that is not the topic here. better luck next time boy

    Christ is Truly GOD!

    #285197
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    No jammin,

    Christ is the anointed one OF GOD.  That's what “Christ” means.

    If you could only see how your statement is akin to saying, “The Son is the Father!”

    #285199
    jammin
    Participant

    you christ is a false god. mike.

    no verse that says that christ is a false god.
    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD

    study hard mike.

    #285200
    jammin
    Participant

    christ also means the SON OF GOD! mat 16.16

    #285227
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Sonship to God is by the Spirit .
    But none who become sons lose their identity.

    #285333
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2012,16:36)
    Hi Jammin,
    Sonship to God is by the Spirit .
    But none who become sons lose their identity.


    that is not the topic here.

    make your own thread.

    Christ is truly GOD!
    the thread has been answered

    #285387
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan and God proclaimed it Himself.

    Becoming there united with the Spirit of God in the Word

    We follow that blessed way.

    #285450
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,12:52)
    Hi Jammin,
    Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan and God proclaimed it Himself.

    Becoming there united with the Spirit of God in the Word

    We follow that blessed way.


    N

    you are a lonely apostles ,because you do not fit in the true apostles of Christ ,neither with any of his disciples;see…

    first Paul;

    Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible

    both John and J.BPT;Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
    Jn 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”
    Jn 1:16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.
    Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

    Jesus about himself;

    JN 6:41 Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, “I am the bread that came down out of heaven.”

    JN 6:58 “This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

    JN 3:31 “ He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the earth is from the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.
    JN 8:23 And He was saying to them, “ You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
    JN 19:11 Jesus answered, “ You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

    Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

    #285457
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    The jews misunderstood too.

    #285508
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 16 2012,13:34)
    christ also means the SON OF GOD! mat 16.16


    Hi Jammin,

    Are you saying (both 1 and 2)?
    1. Christ means(?) “God”?  and
    2. Christ means(?) “Son of God”?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285509
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Good one, Ed.  :)

    I think he is saying that the anointed one OF God IS the God who anointed him.  ???

    But then again, he does offer this proof:

    Christ is truly GOD!
    the thread has been answered
    :D

    #286042
    jammin
    Participant

    mike,

    your christ is a false god,

    and that is not what the bible says

    make your own version.

    ed,
    the Son of Man is MAn. truly man

    the Son of GOD is GOD. truly GOD!

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