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1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • July 4, 2012 at 3:25 pm#304941
    Ed J
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    1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    July 4, 2012 at 3:30 pm#304942
    Ed J
    Participant

    John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
    that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that
    they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
    and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    July 4, 2012 at 4:37 pm#304952
    terraricca
    Participant

    edj

    it looks that Jammi is like a cat chasing is own tail ,:D :D :D

    July 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm#304955
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed? YES or NO?

    July 4, 2012 at 6:19 pm#304978
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Do you mean “God of all righteousness”?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    July 5, 2012 at 8:33 pm#305050
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ July 02 2012,10:43)

    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)


    Hi Charles

    Sorry I took so long to answer.  The more I read, the more confused I became in trying to understand your explanation.

    Last time I checked, God is not visible to us.
    His creation is however.
    Everything was made by the Word, and even before the Word became flesh.
    So everything that was made, was evident from the beginning that a creator put it there, and we know who that creator is.

    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.


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    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.  

    J42,

    Now TO CONFUSE YOU EVEN FURTHER, reflect on the scriptures hereunder.

    John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    NOTICE:  DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    Jesus made it clear that they followed him only because

    THEY DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, SO through consuming the bread

    ALSO HE SAID THAT THEY WERE FILLED. Definitely with His Spirit.

    Now let’s reflect on another statement by Jesus regarding bread hereunder!

    Matthew 4:4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live,(BUT IN THE ENTIRE EOOD) but in every word(SPIRIT) that proceedeth from the mouth of God. (SINCE THE WORD,[JESUS' SPIRIT], OF GOD IS IN THE ENTIRE CREATION  

    There’s something in common in both scriptures, and definitely is the SPIRITUAL WORK.

    In John 6:26 He said you did eat of the loaves In Matthew 4:4 He said:

    Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.

    So if it is NOT IN BREAD ALONE THAT MAN LIVES, how is it contrary, in the other, and said YOU DID EAT OF THE LOVES,AND WERE FILLED.

    So what did really Jesus mean? He seems contradicting Himself, in one he says not in bread alone, and in the other He said because you eat the BREAD. loaves.

    Can you see it or not??

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    July 5, 2012 at 8:51 pm#305053
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 05 2012,02:22)
    Hi Jammin,

    You should look to John 17:3 – since 1John 5:20 confuses you.
    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    1. YHVH – the only true God
    2. Jesus Christ – whom you sent

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    1. YHVH – the only true God
    2. Jesus Christ – whom you sent

    Edj,

    to clarify even further:

    And this is life eternal, that they might know thee( THE FATHER)
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    THAT FROM THEN ON THE FATHER WOULD BECOME
    THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST,

    So GOD THE FATHER IS:

     BOTH GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST.BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH.

    So if the Father became both GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST for the first time ever, JESUS ALSO BECAME GOD, BOTH IN SPIRIT AND IN FLESH.

    SINCE:

    John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    July 5, 2012 at 9:32 pm#305057
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 06 2012,14:33)

    Quote (journey42 @ July 02 2012,10:43)

    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)


    Hi Charles

    Sorry I took so long to answer.  The more I read, the more confused I became in trying to understand your explanation.

    Last time I checked, God is not visible to us.
    His creation is however.
    Everything was made by the Word, and even before the Word became flesh.
    So everything that was made, was evident from the beginning that a creator put it there, and we know who that creator is.

    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.


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    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.  

    J42,

    Now TO CONFUSE YOU EVEN FURTHER, reflect on the scriptures hereunder.

    John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    NOTICE:  DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    Jesus made it clear that they followed him only because

    THEY DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, SO through consuming the bread

    ALSO HE SAID THAT THEY WERE FILLED. Definitely with His Spirit.

    Now let’s reflect on another statement by Jesus regarding bread hereunder!

    Matthew 4:4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live,(BUT IN THE ENTIRE EOOD) but in every word(SPIRIT) that proceedeth from the mouth of God. (SINCE THE WORD,[JESUS' SPIRIT], OF GOD IS IN THE ENTIRE CREATION  

    There’s something in common in both scriptures, and definitely is the SPIRITUAL WORK.

    In John 6:26 He said you did eat of the loaves In Matthew 4:4 He said:

    Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.

    So if it is NOT IN BREAD ALONE THAT MAN LIVES, how is it contrary, in the other, and said YOU DID EAT OF THE LOVES,AND WERE FILLED.

    So what did really Jesus mean? He seems contradicting Himself, in one he says not in bread alone, and in the other He said because you eat the BREAD. loaves.

    Can you see it or not??

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    c

    RO 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

    1CO 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

    1CO 15:27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “ All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.

    ???

    July 6, 2012 at 12:11 am#305070
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 05 2012,02:22)
    Hi Jammin,

    You should look to John 17:3 – since 1John 5:20 confuses you.
    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    1. YHVH – the only true God
    2. Jesus Christ – whom you sent

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you do not understand that 1 john 17.3
    it says that there is only ONE FATHER WHO IS TRULY GOD!
    do you know any father who is truly GOD?
    i believe that there is ONLY ONE!

    the father is truly GOD!
    but the bible says that the son is TRULY GOD!

    TRULY MAN has a son who is also TRULY MAN.

    GOD has a son. the son is also GOD by nature.
    they are truly GOD!

    study hard boy

    July 6, 2012 at 12:12 am#305071
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2012,03:49)
    jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed?  YES or NO?


    are you referring to the father or son? bec the bible says that they are both GOD by nature and not god boy. LOL

    July 6, 2012 at 12:13 am#305072
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 05 2012,03:37)
    edj

    it looks that Jammi is like a cat chasing is own tail ,:D :D  :D


    laughing is good. but if you laugh and you do not understand the true meaning of the topic, it means that your brain has no nutrition

    July 6, 2012 at 12:18 am#305075
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ July 05 2012,18:12)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2012,03:49)
    jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed?  YES or NO?


    are you referring to the father or son? bec the bible says that they are both GOD by nature and not god boy. LOL


    I'm referring to the Father. Please answer the question.

    July 6, 2012 at 3:30 am#305090
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ July 06 2012,11:11)

    Quote (Ed J @ July 05 2012,02:22)
    Hi Jammin,

    You should look to John 17:3 – since 1John 5:20 confuses you.
    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    1. YHVH – the only true God
    2. Jesus Christ – whom you sent

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you do not understand that 1 john 17.3
    it says that there is only ONE FATHER WHO IS TRULY GOD!
    do you know any father who is truly GOD?
    i believe that there is ONLY ONE!

    the father is truly GOD!
    but the bible says that the son is TRULY GOD!

    TRULY MAN has a son who is also TRULY MAN.

    GOD has a son. the son is also GOD by nature.
    they are truly GOD!

    study hard boy


    Hi Jammin,

    You keep forgetting that Mary was Jesus' mother.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    July 6, 2012 at 6:23 am#305099
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 06 2012,08:32)

    Quote (carmel @ July 06 2012,14:33)

    Quote (journey42 @ July 02 2012,10:43)

    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)


    Hi Charles

    Sorry I took so long to answer.  The more I read, the more confused I became in trying to understand your explanation.

    Last time I checked, God is not visible to us.
    His creation is however.
    Everything was made by the Word, and even before the Word became flesh.
    So everything that was made, was evident from the beginning that a creator put it there, and we know who that creator is.

    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.


    Quote
    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.  

    J42,

    Now TO CONFUSE YOU EVEN FURTHER, reflect on the scriptures hereunder.

    John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    NOTICE:  DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    Jesus made it clear that they followed him only because

    THEY DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, SO through consuming the bread

    ALSO HE SAID THAT THEY WERE FILLED. Definitely with His Spirit.

    Now let’s reflect on another statement by Jesus regarding bread hereunder!

    Matthew 4:4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live,(BUT IN THE ENTIRE EOOD) but in every word(SPIRIT) that proceedeth from the mouth of God. (SINCE THE WORD,[JESUS' SPIRIT], OF GOD IS IN THE ENTIRE CREATION  

    There’s something in common in both scriptures, and definitely is the SPIRITUAL WORK.

    In John 6:26 He said you did eat of the loaves In Matthew 4:4 He said:

    Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.

    So if it is NOT IN BREAD ALONE THAT MAN LIVES, how is it contrary, in the other, and said YOU DID EAT OF THE LOVES,AND WERE FILLED.

    So what did really Jesus mean? He seems contradicting Himself, in one he says not in bread alone, and in the other He said because you eat the BREAD. loaves.

    Can you see it or not??

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    c

    RO 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

    1CO 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

    1CO 15:27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “ All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.

    ???

    [/QUOTE]

    Terraricca,

    Since you, for a reason or another,ignored  MY QUESTION, although it was not meant for you,WOULD YOU BE MATURE ENOUGH TO ANSWER IT ONLY FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS,SINCE YOU ALWAYS,WITH EVERY RESPECT, SATISFIED, AND QUENCHED YOU THIRST OF THE CARNAL UNDERSTANDING WHICH IT IS ALWAYS DEAD!

    POSTING SCRIPTURES ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT  GIVING LIGHT TO OTHERS THROUGH YOUR UNDERSTANDINS, YOU WILL ONLY CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN IN THE TRUTH,SINCE IT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE  EITHER AN EGOISTIC, IN THE DARK, OR TO CONFUSE WHOEVER WANT TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH.  

    So be a CHRISTIAN IN THE TRUTH AND GIVE WHAT YOU DISCERNED IN THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED YOURSELF, AND IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THE LOVE YOU HAVE FOR JESUS, BE HONEST AND EXPRESS YOURSELF IN THE TRUTH ALSO REGARDING MY QUESTION!

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS   THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.

    CHARLES
     

    So if it is NOT IN BREAD ALONE THAT MAN LIVES, how is it contrary, in the other, and said YOU DID EAT OF THE LOVES,AND WERE FILLED.

    July 6, 2012 at 6:31 am#305101
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 04 2012,20:42)

    Quote (carmel @ July 04 2012,17:32)

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 04 2012,10:38)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,14:24)
    mike,

    show me what you have got.
    do not make stories.

    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

    you can ask for help


    Jammin.

    You need to read 1John 5:20 again and again.
    it says '' and this is the true God.

    wakeup.


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    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

     

    understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Wakeup,

    read hereunder verse 21 and explain:

    WHO IS THE ONE, WHOM THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS GOD, AND NEVER GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD

    IS IT A REFERENCE TO THE FATHER, OR TO THE SON.???

    Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  

    21 BECAUSE THAT, WHEN THEY KNEW GOD,THEY HAVE NOT GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD,

    or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    charles


    Thank you for that Carmel,but its much deeper than that.

    wakeup.


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    Thank you for that Carmel,but its much deeper than that.

    Wakeup,

    HOW ABOUT THIS ONE:

    Matthew 9: 12 But Jesus hearing it, said: They that are in health need not a physician, but they that are ill. 13 Go then and learn what this meaneth, I will have mercy and not sacrifice. For I am not come to call the just, but sinners.

    Through this statement from Jesus, we be aware that Jesus is God Himself in Flesh for the simple reason, that all the sacrifices which were offered in the OT. Were not to Jesus, but to God, therefore SINCE JESUS SAID :

    I WILL HAVE MERCY AND NOT SACRIFICE: IT IS CLEAR ENOUGH THAT HE WAS THE GOD OF THE OT.

    WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDINGS

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    July 6, 2012 at 6:55 am#305103
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 07 2012,00:23)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 06 2012,08:32)

    Quote (carmel @ July 06 2012,14:33)

    Quote (journey42 @ July 02 2012,10:43)

    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)


    Hi Charles

    Sorry I took so long to answer.  The more I read, the more confused I became in trying to understand your explanation.

    Last time I checked, God is not visible to us.
    His creation is however.
    Everything was made by the Word, and even before the Word became flesh.
    So everything that was made, was evident from the beginning that a creator put it there, and we know who that creator is.

    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.


    Quote
    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion.  The truth is so simple and easy to understand.  God is not confusion.  

    J42,

    Now TO CONFUSE YOU EVEN FURTHER, reflect on the scriptures hereunder.

    John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    NOTICE:  DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    Jesus made it clear that they followed him only because

    THEY DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, SO through consuming the bread

    ALSO HE SAID THAT THEY WERE FILLED. Definitely with His Spirit.

    Now let’s reflect on another statement by Jesus regarding bread hereunder!

    Matthew 4:4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live,(BUT IN THE ENTIRE EOOD) but in every word(SPIRIT) that proceedeth from the mouth of God. (SINCE THE WORD,[JESUS' SPIRIT], OF GOD IS IN THE ENTIRE CREATION  

    There’s something in common in both scriptures, and definitely is the SPIRITUAL WORK.

    In John 6:26 He said you did eat of the loaves In Matthew 4:4 He said:

    Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.

    So if it is NOT IN BREAD ALONE THAT MAN LIVES, how is it contrary, in the other, and said YOU DID EAT OF THE LOVES,AND WERE FILLED.

    So what did really Jesus mean? He seems contradicting Himself, in one he says not in bread alone, and in the other He said because you eat the BREAD. loaves.

    Can you see it or not??

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    c

    RO 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

    1CO 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

    1CO 15:27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “ All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.

    ???

    [/QUOTE]

    Terraricca,

    Since you, for a reason or another,ignored  MY QUESTION, although it was not meant for you,WOULD YOU BE MATURE ENOUGH TO ANSWER IT ONLY FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS,SINCE YOU ALWAYS,WITH EVERY RESPECT, SATISFIED, AND QUENCHED YOU THIRST OF THE CARNAL UNDERSTANDING WHICH IT IS ALWAYS DEAD!

    POSTING SCRIPTURES ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT  GIVING LIGHT TO OTHERS THROUGH YOUR UNDERSTANDINS, YOU WILL ONLY CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN IN THE TRUTH,SINCE IT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE  EITHER AN EGOISTIC, IN THE DARK, OR TO CONFUSE WHOEVER WANT TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH.  

    So be a CHRISTIAN IN THE TRUTH AND GIVE WHAT YOU DISCERNED IN THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED YOURSELF, AND IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THE LOVE YOU HAVE FOR JESUS, BE HONEST AND EXPRESS YOURSELF IN THE TRUTH ALSO REGARDING MY QUESTION!

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS   THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.

    CHARLES
     

    So if it is NOT IN BREAD ALONE THAT MAN LIVES, how is it contrary, in the other, and said YOU DID EAT OF THE LOVES,AND WERE FILLED.


    C

    The reasons that I posted those scriptures ,what are self explanatory to show that what you have disclosed in your quote is in reality wrong and opposit to your claim in your quote,

    I do not want to go in a lengty discourse of explanation ,so use your own understanding that you have shown,

    If you cannot connect the two togueter ,may be it would be time to read the scriptures again

    July 6, 2012 at 8:05 am#305105
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote
    J42,

    Now TO CONFUSE YOU EVEN FURTHER, reflect on the scriptures hereunder.

    Quote
    John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    Quote
    NOTICE:  DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, and WERE FILLED.

    Jesus made it clear that they followed him only because

    THEY DID EAT OF THE LOAVES, SO through consuming the bread

    They were hungry, and if they hung around, they got a free feed.
    These people did not see the miracle he just performed by walking on water, no no no no, they were seeking Christ because they were hungry for food, the type of food that perishes.

    This next verse clarifies it, as Jesus warns them
    John 6:27   Labor not for the meat that perishes, but for the meat which endures unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

    Whom has God the Father sealed?
    For those who labour for the food that gives everlasting life, which is the truth, the Word of God, and not for those who come to Christ for the material rewards.

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    ALSO HE SAID THAT THEY WERE FILLED. Definitely with His Spirit.


    They were filled because their bellies were satisfied.
    No mention of their spirit's being filled. Hence the warning Christ gave them.

    John 6:49   Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    Quote
    Now let’s reflect on another statement by Jesus regarding bread hereunder!

    Quote
    Matthew 4:4 Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live,(BUT IN THE ENTIRE EOOD) but in every word(SPIRIT) that proceedeth from the mouth of God. (SINCE THE WORD,[JESUS' SPIRIT], OF GOD IS IN THE ENTIRE CREATION  


    We all need bread to fuel our bodies, can't change that, we don't eat, we die….but we are all going to die one day anyway, so if we eat the bread that comes from heaven (real spiritual food) then our spirits are nourished and when death arrives it will not mean it is the end for us, but the beginning.
    For if we eat that spiritual food (Christs flesh) and he is the Word of God, then we are soaking in that truth which comes from God delivered to us through his Son and no other.  

    Quote
    There’s something in common in both scriptures, and definitely is the SPIRITUAL WORK.


    The only thing in common, is that both types are eating.  One is eating the material food, and the other is eating the spiritual food

    Quote
    In John 6:26 He said you did eat of the loaves In Matthew 4:4 He said:

    Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.

    So if it is NOT IN BREAD ALONE THAT MAN LIVES, how is it contrary, in the other, and said YOU DID EAT OF THE LOVES,AND WERE FILLED.


    I explained already, their bellies were filled.

    Quote
    So what did really Jesus mean? He seems contradicting Himself, in one he says not in bread alone, and in the other He said because you eat the BREAD. loaves.


    Yes if you don't seek the true meaning behind Christ's words, you will think a contradiction, however, the veil is taken of our eyes and we understand his speech and exactly what he is warning about.

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    Can you see it or not??


    Yes absolutely.
    Many come to Christ, or go to church for what they can get, and not for the truth.
    Many will come because they want to be healed
    Many will come because they seek a partner
    Many will come because they are poor and know the church will feed them
    Many will come because they need a job, or have no home
    Many will come because they are lonely and want friends
    Many will come because they have a business, and will find new clients
    Many will come because they want to be a leader, and have power and position
    Many will come for all sorts of reasons, for self gain, for material things, and not because they generally want to know the truth.  
    This type does not know how to worship God in spirit and in truth
    We are given a beautiful invitation for the chance of receiving salvation, in order to do this we must concentrate on what we can give back to God, and not take take take or want want want….
    and what pleases him is to see us coming closer to him by learning his Word, and actually living it by removing sin from our lives.  This is what will bring us closer to him,
    and if we don't study his Word, then we will not see his plan, or his will and our faith will be blind, for we will be open doorway to all deception and he does not want this.

    He wants us to come to him, as we have been given a second chance to make things right, and the only way to do this is to feed upon Christ's flesh (The Word of God) as righteousness truth and salvation does not come from any other food.

    July 6, 2012 at 11:55 am#305109
    Wakeup
    Participant

    AMEN,AMEN.

    WAKEUP.

    July 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm#305110
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 06 2012,17:31)

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 04 2012,20:42)

    Quote (carmel @ July 04 2012,17:32)

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 04 2012,10:38)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,14:24)
    mike,

    show me what you have got.
    do not make stories.

    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

    you can ask for help


    Jammin.

    You need to read 1John 5:20 again and again.
    it says '' and this is the true God.

    wakeup.


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    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

     

    understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Wakeup,

    read hereunder verse 21 and explain:

    WHO IS THE ONE, WHOM THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS GOD, AND NEVER GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD

    IS IT A REFERENCE TO THE FATHER, OR TO THE SON.???

    Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  

    21 BECAUSE THAT, WHEN THEY KNEW GOD,THEY HAVE NOT GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD,

    or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    charles


    Thank you for that Carmel,but its much deeper than that.

    wakeup.


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    Thank you for that Carmel,but its much deeper than that.

    Wakeup,

    HOW ABOUT THIS ONE:

    Matthew 9: 12 But Jesus hearing it, said: They that are in health need not a physician, but they that are ill. 13 Go then and learn what this meaneth, I will have mercy and not sacrifice. For I am not come to call the just, but sinners.

    Through this statement from Jesus, we be aware that Jesus is God Himself in Flesh for the simple reason, that all the sacrifices which were offered in the OT. Were not to Jesus, but to God, therefore SINCE JESUS SAID :

    I WILL HAVE MERCY AND NOT SACRIFICE: IT IS CLEAR ENOUGH THAT HE WAS THE GOD OF THE OT.

    WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDINGS

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES


    Carmel/Charles.

    john 12:49.For I have not SPOKEN OF MY SELF,BUT THE FATHER WHICH SENT ME,HE GAVE ME A COMMANDMENT,WHAT I SHOULD SAY,AND WHAT I SHOULD SPEAK.(God speaking through Jesus,always).

    50. And I know THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING; WHATSOEVER I SPEAK,THEREFORE,EVEN AS THE FATHER SAID UNTO ME,SO I SPEAK.(God speaking through jesus,always).

    So; who was speaking throught Jesus in Mat.9:12 ? GOD HIS FATHER did the speaking through his son.
    Remember Jesus saying;I CAN NOT DO ANYTHING,OF MY SELF.

    WAKEUP.

    July 6, 2012 at 5:43 pm#305131
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 06 2012,22:55)
    AMEN,AMEN.

    WAKEUP.


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    GOD HIS FATHER did the speaking through his son

    Wakeup,

    TO CLARIFY, IT WAS NOT THE VOICE OF THE FATHER,BUT THE FATHER HIMSELF.

    THIS CONFIMS IT

    John 14:Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I AM IN THE FATHER, and THE FATHER IN ME ? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that DWELLET IN ME, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

    Jesus here confirmed that HE WAS THE ONLY GOD VISIBLE, ON EARTH,THE TRUE GOD,BOTH THE FATHER,AS SPIRIT,AND JESUS CHRIST AS FLESH. TWO AND  BECAME ONE THROUGH GLORIFICATION FOR ETERNITY.

    SINCE ALL THE REST ARE ONLY SPIRITS AND NOT VISIBLE INCLUDING GOD ALMIGHTY.

    AND THE FATHER WILL OWN ON THE LAST DAY JESUS GLORIFIED BODY.

    SO YOU AGREE THAT JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH !

    GOD/MAN HYPOSTATIC UNION.

    SINCE JESUS AS A HUMAN BEING HAD THE FATHER IN HIS SOUL THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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