1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #295359
    Ed J
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    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,21:28)
    answer my question boy

    your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal?


    Hi Jammin,

    I have the nature of the New Man;
    which is available to you as well!
    Don't let pride swallow you up

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295367
    jammin
    Participant

    so your nature is not MAN?

    #295369
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ April 28 2012,02:20)
    Keith said:

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    Mike Lives in th OT and doesn't understand that all the types, shadows, saviours etc pointed to Jesus. Jesus with his own words said the scriptures testified of him. He said that all that came before him were theives and robbers.


    Amen brother! Paul said that Christ is the “body.” Even the NWT says “reality.” All the “saviors” in the old testament pointed to Christ ho is the embodiment, that is the reality.


    Hi Jack,

    I agree that many of those anointed by God in the OT were but shadows of the most important Christ, who was still yet to come into the world.

    Do you agree with me that Jesus is the most important of all the ones anointed by the only true God, Jehovah?

    #295370
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,02:35)
    edj,

    you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN


    jammin,

    Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?

    #295371
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nick,

    Let me rephrase the question since you seem to be having problems with it:

    Do you agree that the words in John 1:14 say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh“.  YES or NO?

    #295378
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,00:41)

    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ April 28 2012,02:20)
    Keith said:

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    Mike Lives in th OT and doesn't understand that all the types, shadows, saviours etc pointed to Jesus. Jesus with his own words said the scriptures testified of him. He said that all that came before him were theives and robbers.


    Amen brother! Paul said that Christ is the “body.” Even the NWT says “reality.” All the “saviors” in the old testament pointed to Christ ho is the embodiment, that is the reality.


    Hi Jack,

    I agree that many of those anointed by God in the OT were but shadows of the most important Christ, who was still yet to come into the world.

    Do you agree with me that Jesus is the most important of all the ones anointed by the only true God, Jehovah?


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    Do you agree with me that Jesus is the most important of all the ones anointed by the only true God, Jehovah?

    Mike,

    PERMIT ME TO SAY:

    MORE THAN AGREE FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS WAS NEVER ANOINTED BY ANYONE,BUT HE IS ETERNALLY IN HIMSELF ANIONTED,AND AS YOU SAID ALL THE OTHERS WERE NOT ONLY HIS SHADOW,

    BUT ANOINTED BY HIM,IN him,and for him.

    Now Mike read hereunder and comment on my ststement please, for the love of JESUS THE ONLY TRUE GOD   I AM THE TRUTH

    1 Cor. 11:3 …..   the head of Christ is God.

    SO:

    With reference to the above we could conclude that as a particular man without his head is just a TRUNK, Jesus also without his head would be a TRUNK.

    With the same argument a trunk with his head on becomes the complete real  person  in respect of the head identification, so:

    Jesus’ trunk with HIS head ON (WHICH IS GOD) becomes GOD,

    So Jesus is God.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    #295379
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Charles,

    Not only did you begin your post by claiming the unscriptural and untrue – for Jesus is definitely the anointed one OF God, meaning that God anointed him, but then you go on to post a scripture that says GOD is the HEAD of Christ – eliminating any possibility that they are either equals or the same being.

    And you end by writing some stuff that apparently only makes any sense on your planet. ???

    #295381
    terraricca
    Participant

    Charles

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    With the same argument a trunk with his head on becomes the complete real person in respect of the head identification, so:

    Jesus’ trunk with HIS head ON (WHICH IS GOD) becomes GOD,

    so Christ could a chicken without head ??????????????

    you are out of your mind .

    wen Paul says that God is the Head of Christ he means it IN POWER ,JUST AS THE MAN IS THE HEAD OF THE WOMEN BY POWER,TO BE USED WITH GODLY LOVE.

    #295383
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    1 Cor 11:3
    Now I want you to realise that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

    Charles, does your “head/trunk” analogy work equally with the others who are mentioned in this scripture?

    #295388
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,00:46)
    Nick,

    Let me rephrase the question since you seem to be having problems with it:

    Do you agree that the words in John 1:14 say “the Word BECAME flesh” – not “came to be IN someone who already was flesh“.  YES or NO?


    Hi MB,
    And you think you know what is means?

    It is the treasure within [2cor4.7]that is the focus of scripture.

    #295397
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    I know what the words actually say, and believe them.  You, on the other hand, don't like what the words actually teach, and so have taken it upon yourself to add words into 1:14 so it conforms better around your own imagined doctrine.

    The teaching is that the one called “the Word” BECAME flesh.  The teaching never was that the thing called “the Word” came to be IN somebody who already was flesh.

    Nick, isn't it you who keeps spouting off about how “every word counts” and other such things?  Why then would you add your own words into the God-inspired scriptures, thereby changing the entire context and meaning of those scriptures?   ???

    #295402
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Has the Word not yet become flesh in you?

    #295426
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,00:43)

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,02:35)
    edj,

    you have the nature of MAN. that's why you are MAN


    jammin,

    Could you not equally say that because Ed has the nature of man, he is a man?


    before i answer your question, do you know what is the nature of MAN?

    #295456
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    The nature of Jesus of Nazareth

    #295458
    jammin
    Participant

    what is that nick? can you elaborate your answer?

    #295461
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Yes.
    He said he was a man in jn 8 and scripture offers more witnesses in acts 2 and 1 Tim 2.
    You do accept the testimony of scripture?

    #295468
    jammin
    Participant

    what is a nature of man nick?

    #295500
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,00:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,22:06)

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,21:28)
    answer my question boy

    your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal?


    Hi Jammin,

    I have the nature of the New Man;
    which is available to you as well!
    Don't let pride swallow you up

    God bless
    Ed J


    so your nature is not MAN?


    Hi Jammin,

    Put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
    which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed
    in the spirit of your mind
    ; And that ye put on the new man, which after God
    is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Ephesians 4:22-24)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #295502
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2012,08:48)

    Quote (jammin @ April 29 2012,00:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2012,22:06)

    Quote (jammin @ April 28 2012,21:28)
    answer my question boy

    your nature is not MAN?? what are you? an animal?


    Hi Jammin,

    I have the nature of the New Man;
    which is available to you as well!
    Don't let pride swallow you up

    God bless
    Ed J


    so your nature is not MAN?


    Hi Jammin,

    Put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
    which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed
    in the spirit of your mind
    ; And that ye put on the new man, which after God
    is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Ephesians 4:22-24)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    this does not answer Jammi's question ,try again

    #295505
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,06:57)
    I know what the words actually say, and believe them.  You, on the other hand, don't like what the words actually teach, and so have taken it upon yourself to add words into 1:14 so it conforms better around your own imagined doctrine.

    The teaching is that the one called “the Word” BECAME flesh.  The teaching never was that the thing called “the Word” came to be IN somebody who already was flesh.

    Nick, isn't it you who keeps spouting off about how “every word counts” and other such things?  Why then would you add your own words into the God-inspired scriptures, thereby changing the entire context and meaning of those scriptures?   ???


    Hi Mike, (you attempt to build doctrine on a misunderstood verse?)

    Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power:
    who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
    for God was with (in more term “IN”) him.

    2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the
    world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
    and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
    Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
    myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    With μετά (met-ah')
    with which it is joined;
    properly, denoting accompaniment.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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