1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #291992
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,05:40)
    Hi Jammin,
    You have made your limited knowledge plain to others.
    Contempt for them is surprising given your state


    Hi Nick, how true!

    Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. (see 1Cor.12:21)

    Eph 4:11-16 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity
    of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
    by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love,
    may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together
    and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part,
    maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #292007
    jammin
    Participant

    let the bible speak
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    #292010
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 13 2012,15:28)
    let the bible speak
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.


    Hi Jammin,

    Why do put men's words above God's word?
    The “AKJV Bible” is God's word; GW is sugar.
    Sugar coated words will get you no-where.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292019
    jammin
    Participant

    edj,

    that's what the bible says. believe it or not
    thomas also believe that Christ is GOD. John 20:28

    King James Version (KJV)

    28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

    read your bible well

    #292070
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    It most certainly does matter.

    One is God's words  –  the other is mans words.    …BIG DIFFERENCE!

    If you 'think' it doesn't matter, then go get your truth out of a comic book  –  if one book is the same as the next!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292104
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    The versions have become so tasty to men because they have been changed to tickle ears

    #292130
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,10:24)
    Hi Jammin,
    The versions have become so tasty to men because they have been changed to tickle ears


    Hi Nick,

    Apparently Jammin approves of these alterations,
    as he keeps telling others to make even more versions.

    Whenever something's in question: I go back to the originals.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #292135
    jammin
    Participant

    john and thomas said Christ is GOD.
    how can i believe a story teller like you edj?
    you are not reading your opinion but just always dreaming. how poor you are.

    let the bible speak
    King James Version (KJV)

    28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

    #292146
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Indeed Jammin,
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.

    #292205
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,12:59)
    Indeed Jammin,
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.


    thomas did not say that i saw my God in christ.

    that is just your opinion LOL

    make your own version!

    this is what thomas said

    John 20:28

    New International Version (NIV)

    28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

    thomas said to jesus that he is his LORD and GOD!

    that's what thomas said!

    Christ is truly GOD!

    #292209
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,12:59)
    Indeed Jammin,
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.


    Quote
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.

    Nick,

    That's why Jesus came to the world to be their God. (visible)

    Luke 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

    So John through His work turned many children of Isreal to the Lord their real visible God.

    So John through his work prepared many children for Jesus Christ their real visible God. THE ONLY VISIBLE CARNAL GOD!!

    This is truth, for the simple reason that John through his baptism,casted out Satan out of their souls in order to follow Jesus and recognize Him as the true Messaiah God

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #292222
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,19:59)
    Indeed Jammin,
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.


    No man has ever seen God, except for the man who came down from heaven.

    Thomas was calling Jesus his god because Jesus is a god. But Thomas, as a disciple and direct recipient of Jesus' teachings, didn't confuse his god Jesus with Jesus' own God – the Most High God Jehovah.

    Similarly, Thomas didn't confuse his Lord Jesus with Jesus' own Lord – the Lord of heaven and earth.

    #292285
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 15 2012,00:28)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,12:59)
    Indeed Jammin,
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.


    Quote
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.

    Nick,

    That's why Jesus came to the world to be their God. (visible)

    Luke 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

    So John through His work turned many children of Isreal to the Lord their real visible God.

    So John through his work prepared many children for Jesus Christ their real visible God. THE ONLY VISIBLE CARNAL GOD!!

    This is truth, for the simple reason that John through his baptism,casted out Satan out of their souls in order to follow Jesus and recognize Him as the true Messaiah God

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Hi C,
    God is invisible.
    No man has seen God.

    So who are following?

    #292289
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ April 14 2012,12:00)

    how can i believe a story teller like you edj?

      All truth passes through three stages.

                   First, it is ridiculed.

           Second, it is violently opposed.

    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

    #292302
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,13:31)
    Hi C,
    God is invisible.
    No man has seen God.


    Hi Nick,

    The words you just posted to Charles seem to contradict your claim that Thomas was SEEING God in 20:28.

    #292307
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Not surprising.
    Thomas saw with spiritual eyes.

    #292318
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,14:15)
    Hi MB,
    Not surprising.
    Thomas saw with spiritual eyes.


    N

    WJ version of events wen they run out of answers ????

    #292320
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,07:15)
    Hi MB,
    Not surprising.
    Thomas saw with spiritual eyes.


    Pierre, “IF” Nick is wrong, how do you explain this verse?
    Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD
    sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #292328
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,14:15)
    Hi MB,
    Not surprising.
    Thomas saw with spiritual eyes.


    So then the scripture really should say, “No man can see God………….UNLESS IT IS WITH SPIRITUAL EYES”?

    Hmmm………………..  

    And Ed, visions are different.  Was Thomas having a vision at the time he said the words in 20:28?

    #292338
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,07:45)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,14:15)
    Hi MB,
    Not surprising.
    Thomas saw with spiritual eyes.


    So then the scripture really should say, “No man can see God………….UNLESS IT IS WITH SPIRITUAL EYES”?

    Hmmm………………..  

    And Ed, visions are different.  Was Thomas having a vision at the time he said the words in 20:28?


    Hi Mike,

                              No, Thomas finally understood what Jesus said to Phillip,
                              because he believed for the sake of the resurrection.
                              he said he would believe if he saw the nail prints.

    John 14:9-11 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me,
    Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
    10 Believest thou not that I in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you
    I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that
    I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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