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1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • March 5, 2012 at 2:12 am#282809
    jammin
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,12:10)
    jammin, the Hebrew word “adam” refers to “mankind”.

    So yes, I am AN adam, but not THE Adam.

    There is only one true Adam, meaning only one first adam created by God.  It does not mean we are “false adams”, but it means we are not the original one.


    im talking about the nature!

    of course you are not THE ADAM! but your man nature is true!!!!!!

    you are a true man! unless you are an animal mike.

    March 5, 2012 at 2:14 am#282812
    jammin
    Participant

    therefore,
    christ has the form of GOD! he is truly GOD (1john5.20)!

    better luck next time mike and to all the dreamer group

    March 5, 2012 at 2:15 am#282816
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Weak presentation.
    Any more?

    March 5, 2012 at 2:16 am#282818
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,12:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,12:06)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,12:03)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,12:00)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:41)
    Hi Jammin,
    Folks have been hanging their doctrinal hats on a verse or two forever.
    Shallow understandings trip the unwary and unspiritual.


    Yes Nick. This is the verse to which you refer…

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
    in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned
    and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    God bless
    Ed J


    the verse is applicable to you mr dream boy

    answer my question.
    the pages are increasing. You should be ashamed of yourself!


    What question?


    read in 1 john 5.20
    that john says that christ is not the true GOD.

    ill wait

    also, you have the nature of man. are you a true man or a false man?


    Hi Jammin,

    When you ask me a REAL question,
    I'll be sure to answer; OK?
    Do you have any?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 5, 2012 at 2:18 am#282820
    jammin
    Participant

    i repeat again

    where can you read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that Christ is not the true GOD?

    March 5, 2012 at 2:25 am#282826
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    And how do you figure that this is a REAL question?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 5, 2012 at 2:25 am#282828
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,23:47)
    those who believe that john says in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true God, you may start proving your false doctrine.

    the bible says, john believes that Christ is the True GOD according to 1 john 5.20

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD


    Hi Jammin:

    Here is the explanation:

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    Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

    Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Jhn 14:7 ¶ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

    Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    March 5, 2012 at 2:27 am#282829
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,19:12)
    of course you are not THE ADAM! but your man nature is true!!!!!!


    That's right, jammin.

    Yet, one could easily say, “There is but one true Adam” if they were talking about the man who God created first.

    It would not mean we are “false adams”, but instead would be a way of recognize the original Adam as something more than us.

    March 5, 2012 at 2:47 am#282844
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,12:27)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,19:12)
    of course you are not THE ADAM! but your man nature is true!!!!!!


    That's right, jammin.

    Yet, one could easily say, “There is but one true Adam” if they were talking about the man who God created first.

    It would not mean we are “false adams”, but instead would be a way of recognize the original Adam as something more than us.


    do not make people fool mike.

    i know what i am saying. you are just ignoring the truth or maybe pretending that you are a moron. or maybe you are really a moron.

    therefore, Christ has the form or nature of GOD, he is GOD! truly GOD!

    better luck next time mr dream boy

    March 5, 2012 at 2:49 am#282847
    jammin
    Participant

    once again, the dreamer group cant read their opinion in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true GOD.

    the father is called the true GOD!
    Christ is also called the true GOD!
    1 John 5:20

    English Standard Version (ESV)

    20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

    March 5, 2012 at 2:58 am#282851
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    You think you can read between the lines that the Father was also the Son?

    March 5, 2012 at 3:02 am#282856
    jammin
    Participant

    how many times have i told you that the father is not the son but they have the same nature.

    answer my question nick. do not say useless words.

    March 5, 2012 at 3:03 am#282860
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Yes we too can share the divine nature

    March 5, 2012 at 8:15 am#282914
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,06:28)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2012,09:57)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,18:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2012,16:32)
    Jammin,

    Your lack of knowledge is self evident in the asking of the question since Christ is translated as Anointed.  David was a Christ as were other kings and priests.  God is not anointed as there is no one to anoint him as he is the one true God. So the basic question is absurd.

    The lesson of 1 John 5:20 is that a believer is in Jesus through the Saintly Spirit and in Yahweh by that same Spirit.  It is only through the spirit of Jesus, whom was tempted as is common to man but without sin, that Yahweh can be in anyone.  That is why Jesus is the way.

    Have you not heard these things before.


    the topic here is that christ is the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 but mike does not believe it.

    so if you believe that christ is not the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 then you may help mike to prove your opinion.

    stick to the topic


    Jammin,

    The Christ is the primary anointed of God and not God. That is what the words “The Christ”  means just like  the Sun is the primary sun.  Why engage in a foolish debate as to whether or not Christ is the one true God?


    you should know the true christ of the bible.
    paul said

    Galatians 1:6-8

    American Standard Version (ASV)

    6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel;

    7 which is not another gospel only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.


    Jammin,

    You are correct that Paul wrote those words to those that believed Jesus is the Anointed of God and therefore not God.  Beware that ignorant and corrupt people misinterpret the words of Scripture to their own destruction.

    The teaching that Jesus is God is an obstacle strewn in the path of those that seek the one true God and his righteousness.  Those who persist in believing they will be righteous as God is righteous through faith in Jesus Anointed, will prevail.

    1 John 5:20 is not teaching that Jesus is God but it is encouraging believers to believe they can and will be righteous as God is righteous.  Change your ways and your teachings to be encouraged.

    Yawhee is God and not the Anointed of God.

    March 5, 2012 at 10:01 am#282923
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,06:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,07:37)
    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS SON Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God , and eternal life.

    English sentence structure may yet be difficult for you.
    I have highlighted and colorized this verse for YOU, that way
    YOU can see who the pronouns “HIM” and “HIS” are refering to.

    The “Subject” of verse 20 (God) goes back to verse 18,
    so YOU can see the pronouns are about HIM (YHVH).

                         Here is the same verse in context

    1 John 5:18-21 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he
    that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
    we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you are a joker edj,

    hahahah

    im laughing again…

    you cant even read in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true GOD.
    that is just your opinion.,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the True GOD!


    Jammin,

    2 is not equal to 1

    That is basic math. Try again.

    March 6, 2012 at 1:00 pm#283151
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,13:03)
    Hi Jammin,
    Yes we too can share the divine nature


    you CAN SHARE the divine nature..
    that's correct,
    but you cant read that Christ “can share” God's nature

    i still have a question for you about this.

    do you have GOd's nature or you can share his nature??

    you should be ashamed of yourself nick by not answering my question.

    March 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm#283152
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2012,20:01)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,06:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,07:37)
    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS SON Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God , and eternal life.

    English sentence structure may yet be difficult for you.
    I have highlighted and colorized this verse for YOU, that way
    YOU can see who the pronouns “HIM” and “HIS” are refering to.

    The “Subject” of verse 20 (God) goes back to verse 18,
    so YOU can see the pronouns are about HIM (YHVH).

                         Here is the same verse in context

    1 John 5:18-21 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he
    that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
    we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you are a joker edj,

    hahahah

    im laughing again…

    you cant even read in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true GOD.
    that is just your opinion.,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the True GOD!


    Jammin,

    2 is not equal to 1

    That is basic math.  Try again.


    did i say two is equal to one?

    you are accusing me kerwin. read well my post..

    i said, the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN!

    unless you are an animal..

    the father is called the true GOD!

    the son is also called the true GOD!
    it's very clear in 1 john 5.20

    March 6, 2012 at 2:08 pm#283155
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2012,18:15)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,06:28)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2012,09:57)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,18:44)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2012,16:32)
    Jammin,

    Your lack of knowledge is self evident in the asking of the question since Christ is translated as Anointed.  David was a Christ as were other kings and priests.  God is not anointed as there is no one to anoint him as he is the one true God. So the basic question is absurd.

    The lesson of 1 John 5:20 is that a believer is in Jesus through the Saintly Spirit and in Yahweh by that same Spirit.  It is only through the spirit of Jesus, whom was tempted as is common to man but without sin, that Yahweh can be in anyone.  That is why Jesus is the way.

    Have you not heard these things before.


    the topic here is that christ is the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 but mike does not believe it.

    so if you believe that christ is not the true GOD in 1 john 5.20 then you may help mike to prove your opinion.

    stick to the topic


    Jammin,

    The Christ is the primary anointed of God and not God. That is what the words “The Christ”  means just like  the Sun is the primary sun.  Why engage in a foolish debate as to whether or not Christ is the one true God?


    you should know the true christ of the bible.
    paul said

    Galatians 1:6-8

    American Standard Version (ASV)

    6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel;

    7 which is not another gospel only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.


    Jammin,

    You are correct that Paul wrote those words to those that believed Jesus is the Anointed of God and therefore not God.  Beware that ignorant and corrupt people misinterpret the words of Scripture to their own destruction.

    The teaching that Jesus is God is an obstacle strewn in the path of those that seek the one true God and his righteousness.  Those who persist in believing they will be righteous as God is righteous through faith in Jesus Anointed, will prevail.

    1 John 5:20 is not teaching that Jesus is God but it is encouraging believers to believe they can and will be righteous as God is righteous.  Change your ways and your teachings to be encouraged.

    Yawhee is God and not the Anointed of God.


    i cant read in 1 john 5.20 that JOHN says that Christ is not GOD.

    wear your eyeglasses.

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    better luck next time

    March 6, 2012 at 8:18 pm#283190
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 06 2012,18:08)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2012,20:01)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,06:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,07:37)
    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS SON Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God , and eternal life.

    English sentence structure may yet be difficult for you.
    I have highlighted and colorized this verse for YOU, that way
    YOU can see who the pronouns “HIM” and “HIS” are refering to.

    The “Subject” of verse 20 (God) goes back to verse 18,
    so YOU can see the pronouns are about HIM (YHVH).

                         Here is the same verse in context

    1 John 5:18-21 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he
    that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
    we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you are a joker edj,

    hahahah

    im laughing again…

    you cant even read in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true GOD.
    that is just your opinion.,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the True GOD!


    Jammin,

    2 is not equal to 1

    That is basic math.  Try again.


    did i say two is equal to one?

    you are accusing me kerwin. read well my post..

    i said, the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN!

    unless you are an animal..

    the father is called the true GOD!

    the son is also called the true GOD!
    it's very clear in 1 john 5.20


    Jammin,

    Then are you polytheistic and believe in multiple God?

    The nature of God is he cannot be tempted by nor do evil.

    Scripture declares Jesus was tempted by evil.

    A lesser form of God's nature is that he does not sin.  Jesus has been created to be like God in that lesser form.

    The God's Word translation uses a questionable method of translation according to this excerpt from Wikipedia.

    Quote
    GW uses a dynamic equivalence translation methodology it calls “Closest Natural Equivalence”.[3] Critics argue that the dynamic equivalence translation method forfeits translation in favor of interpretation and commentary, separating the reader from the actual meaning of the biblical author

    March 6, 2012 at 8:25 pm#283191
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    The vessel was of earth but the contents were of God.

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