1 John 5:20

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? It is Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.

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  • #288151
    jammin
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    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2012,08:42)
    Don't need luck jammin because to partake is to join in.

    And we are told that our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his.
    We are also told that he calls us brothers. Brothers are of like kind.
    And Jesus partook of flesh nature and he was a man, so he became like us.

    You still lack understanding with regards to the difference between identity and nature as do all Trinitarians who teach their doctrine.

    And I noticed you did not refute my last 2 posts, so I take it that you could not and now you will be doing some searching on this subject. If not, then why are you a follower of Christ if you do not pursue truth. I say this in advance in case you ignore what I said in those posts. Please disregard if you are serious about checking it out.


    yes bec he is not really man. he is GOd. christ was manifest in the flesh.

    but you are not GOD. you dont have that nature.

    study hard

    #288152
    david
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Mar. 27 2012,14:36)
    Jammin, again, I'll ask this simple question:

    Just so there is no confusion, can you fill in the blanks for me:

    “And we know that the Son of God [Jesus] has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true[?]; and we are in him who is true[?], in his Son Jesus Christ. He [?] is the true God and eternal life.”

    I would think this would be easy and you would want to do it.

    Why don't you?


    Jammin, 10 seconds of your time.

    I've never seen someone create a thread and then try so hard to avoid the actual scripture that they based the thread on.

    Could you fill in the blanks of who you think is meant in each[?]?

    Thanks.

    #288153
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Mar. 27 2012,14:34)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 26 2012,19:37)
    david,

    the apple is green. it is so delicious.

    what is so delicious?


    Hi Jammin.

    I have found that when someone is confronted with something they can't respond to, their brain seems to shut down and they start typing random words.  

    (shout out to Nick! 🙂

    david.


    david answer my question

    ill repeat. the apple is green. it is so delicious

    what is so delicious?

    #288161
    david
    Participant

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    the apple is green. it is so delicious

    what is so delicious?

    Well, there is only the one subject (apple) in sentence 1. So, the “it” which is delicious must be that one subject, the apple.

    Now that I've answered your question, could you fill in the blanks for me, just so I undertand exactly how you understand 1 John 5:20?

    #288199
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Mar. 27 2012,17:11)

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    the apple is green. it is so delicious

    what is so delicious?

    Well, there is only the one subject (apple) in sentence 1.  So, the “it” which is delicious must be that one subject, the apple.

    Now that I've answered your question, could you fill in the blanks for me, just so I undertand exactly how you understand 1 John 5:20?


    thanks for the answer.

    here is your question
    “And we know that the Son of God [Jesus] has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true[?]; and we are in him who is true[?], in his Son Jesus Christ. He [?] is the true God and eternal life.”

    this is my answer

    1.GOD
    2.you should not put a ? on that part bec it is very clear that it refers to the son.
    it says, we are in him who is true, IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST

    3. the last part of the sentence refers to JESUS.

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    #288202
    jammin
    Participant

    Christ is truly GOD.
    john 1.1 also supports this verse.

    the WORD was GOD.
    the WORD is the son of GOD, he became flesh and dwelt among us.

    the son and the father have the same nature, GOD.

    just like you and your father, you have the same nature, MAN. you are truly man.

    #288221
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    So where does scripture say the Son was with God in the beginning?
    Jesus the man came to share in the nature of God by anointing from above.

    #288257
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,05:16)
    .


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    So where does scripture say the Son was with God in the beginning?

    Hi Nick,

    Explain hereunder when was the time Jesus is referring to,

    \since it is before the world ever existed??

    John 17:5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    Peace and Love in Jesus

    Charles

    #288261
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    The Spirit of Christ from God spoke.
    The Word that was with God and was God.

    #288367
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2012,21:32)
    I guess it would take a very very very good debator to prove that though.


    :D :laugh: :D

    #288369
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2012,14:23)
    Hi Charles,
    The Spirit of Christ from God spoke.
    The Word that was with God and was God.


    So “God” had glory alongside “God” before the world began, Nick? ???

    #288456
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2012,08:42)
    Don't need luck jammin because to partake is to join in.

    And we are told that our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his.
    We are also told that he calls us brothers. Brothers are of like kind.
    And Jesus partook of flesh nature and he was a man, so he became like us.

    You still lack understanding with regards to the difference between identity and nature as do all Trinitarians who teach their doctrine.

    And I noticed you did not refute my last 2 posts, so I take it that you could not and now you will be doing some searching on this subject. If not, then why are you a follower of Christ if you do not pursue truth. I say this in advance in case you ignore what I said in those posts. Please disregard if you are serious about checking it out.


    but you dont have the form of GOD

    are you like Christ who has the form of GOD and became flesh?

    what is your form before you became flesh?

    #288457
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,05:16)
    Hi Jammin,
    So where does scripture say the Son was with God in the beginning?
    Jesus the man came to share in the nature of God by anointing from above.


    read john 1.1-14 and you will see it.
    just dont forget to read every details.
    wear your eyeglasses nick.

    #288498
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,12:19)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2012,14:23)
    Hi Charles,
    The Spirit of Christ from God spoke.
    The Word that was with God and was God.


    So “God” had glory alongside “God” before the world began, Nick?  ???


    Hi MB,
    Can you not grasp what is spiritual yet?

    #288499
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Since you see three when God is one why would we need glasses?

    Jn1 talks of the Word-do you THINK this means the man from Nazareth?

    #288606
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,14:43)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,12:19)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2012,14:23)
    Hi Charles,
    The Spirit of Christ from God spoke.
    The Word that was with God and was God.


    So “God” had glory alongside “God” before the world began, Nick?  ???


    Hi MB,
    Can you not grasp what is spiritual yet?


    I believe you are truly being led by spirit, Nick………….just not the right one. Test all things against scripture. Don't make up your own concepts that go against many scriptures and then try to pass it off as if we can't understand because we don't have spirit.

    Answer the question in the quote above, please. Did God Almighty have glory ALONGSIDE God Almighty before the world began?

    #288612
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Did you not know that the Spirit in Christ Jesus said in jn8

    “I proceeded forth and came from God”?

    The Word was with God and the Word was God

    When will you believe?

    #288618
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    John 8:42
    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here.”

    I'll believe when you can show me the scripture that says “the Spirit in Christ” said those words.  The NIV says “JESUS” said them, not “the Spirit in Christ”.

    #288621
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    JN 7.16-18

    O you want every word he speaks to have independant verification written there that it is from above?

    When WILL YOU believe him?

    #288622
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Perhaps you would like to put your hand in his side first?

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