If Jesus is divine, does that make him God?

God’s nature is divine his essence is spirit

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Divine nature pertaining to Jesus Christ and the children of God

But scripture says that we can share in God’s nature so all the more Jesus Christ who after all has a body now, that we will eventually have. It is written that we will be like him. If Jesus Christ is God because he has divine nature, then why aren’t we God by reason of participating in the same divine nature?

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Connecting the dots, most will agree that we are not God and never will we be God. So divine nature doesn’t qualify you as being God himself.

Was Jesus God or a man?

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus existing in the form of God doesn’t make him God, rather that his nature is from God. A good explanation of a son of God. We also read that Jesus emptied himself, but of what did he empty himself? Many think it was his foreknowledge and divine nature because he took on flesh or human nature and became a man being born like us. He started life as a baby, grew to a child, then an adult. We do know right now that Jesus is at the right-hand of God in the glory he had with him even before creation itself. So it seems he was with God, came to Earth in an empty state, and is back with God in the glory he had with him before the universe existed.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Conclusion

Divine nature doesn’t make you God just as having a spirit doesn’t make you God. Yes God is divine, and He is spirit. But angels are spirits and they are not God and we can share in divine nature and we are not God. What we do know is this:

Jesus Christ existed with God before the world began as the Word. While he shared in divine nature with God, he emptied himself and became a man, even a baby who had to learn how to walk and talk like the rest of us. Providing the perfect sacrifice for our sins through his death, he is now with God at his righthand side in the glory he had with him before the world began. Now we who are in the flesh can be born of the Spirit and participate in this divine nature because Christ died for us.

We need to understand that there is a difference between being God who has divine nature and being a son who shares or inherits divine nature. Receiving the divine nature of God is a good description of being a son and chief among the sons of God is the Son of God himself. He reflects the fullness of God’s nature and glory in visible form from the invisible God.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


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  • #868373
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gospel means good news. Gene’s doctrine is not good news.

    #868374
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    “His name is” God’s Holy Spirit’s name; not Jesus’ Christ’s name.

    This is as clear as mud.

    #868376
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Hi Gene,

    YOU: Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?  The three is “they” , the singular is “I” . But none of those said they were Jesus Christ,

    Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared to him

    in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day.

    explain Gene:

    WHO IS THIS LORD FOR YOU IN THE ABOVE?

    2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him

    three men standing near him:

    and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and 

    adored down to the ground.

     3And he said:

    Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight,

    EXPLAIN Gene:

    WHO IS THIS LORD FOR YOU IN THE ABOVE DESPITE

    THEY WERE THREE AND ABRAHAM ADDRESSED 

    ONE PERSON?

    Cont.

    pass not away from thy servant: 4But I will fetch a little water, and wash ye your feet, and rest ye under the tree. 5And I will set a morsel of bread,

    and strengthen ye

    YOUR HEART,  SINGULAR:

    TO WHOM THIS HEART BELONG???

    OBVIOUS TO THE SAME LORD WHOM YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL ME 

    WHO HE IS???

    Cont.

    afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant.

    And THEY said: Do as thou hast spoken.

    Gene DID THE THREE MEN ANSWERED TOGETHER,

    WHY??? WHAT IS YOUR PERCEPTION??? 

    ADDRESSING ONE PERSON AND THE THREE

    ANSWERED?

    IS IT A NORMAL PROCEDURE, AND WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE MEET AGAIN SUCH CONVERSATION???

    DESPITE ABRAHAM 

    ADDRESSED ONLY

    ONE LORD?

    WHOM YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL ME 

    WHO THIS LORD IS???

    COMMIT YOURSELF Gene PLEASE!!!

    DIDN’T YOU CHECK TO WHOM  THE TITLE 

    LORD IS REFERRING TO???

    YOU:Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?

      The three is “they” , the singular is “I” . But none of those said they were Jesus Christ, that’s you false renditions again of what you trying to force our scriptures to say?

    ME: DID I SAY SO Gene??? what made you think so???

    ISN’T IT YOUR FALSE ASSUMPTION???

    I SIMPLY ASKED QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS WHAT IT LOOKS RATHER CONFUSING, SIMPLY

    TO HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. NO??? 

    NOW, Gene, IN MY FIRST POST REGARDING Genesis 18, I ONLY POSTED

    Genesis 18:1 to 5,

    AND JUMPED ONTO

    16 TO 18,

    AND STOPPED ALTOGETHER!

    HOW COME NOW YOU POSTED

    AND REFERRED TO VERSES

    11 TO 15  WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FIRST POST WHICH WAS YOUR ANSWER TO MY FIRST POST IN THIS REGARD BUT YOU STILL SAID

    YOU:  “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

    ME:  THUS Gene,

    WILL YOU BE DECENT ENOUGH, BE SPECIFIC AND SHOW ME WHERE I FORCED THE TEXT TO SAY WHAT IN FACT IT IS NOT EVEN HINTED AT 

    IN MY FIRST POST!!!

    NOW BACK TO YOUR LAST POST AGAIN:

    YOU:Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?

      The three is “they” , the singular is “I”.

    ME: WHERE DID I SAY SO Gene???

    WHAT MADE YOU SAY SO???

    I SIMPLY ASKED QUESTIONS  TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IN THIS RATHER CONFUSING CONVERSATION! NO???

    IS IT  NORMALLY IN SCRIPTURE TO READ SUCH CONFUSED CONVERSATION???

    WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE READ SOMETHING SIMILAR???

    CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT YOU TAKE SCRIPTURE  AS IT IS!

    CONFUSING???

    SAY SOMETHING Gene! WHAT CONCLUSIONS YOU HAVE IN MIND???

    YOU: But none of those said they were Jesus Christ,

    that’s you false renditions again of what you trying to force our scriptures to say?

     

    ME: FOR GOD’S SAKE I AM NOT INTERESTED OF WHAT THE THREE MEN SAID, OR HAD TO SAY,

    I AM INTERESTED ONLY OF WHAT THE  SCRIPTURE, IN OUR CASE 

    IN RELATION TO WHAT ABRAHAM 

    ADDRESSED TO!!!

    I MEAN WHEN HE CALLED AT LEAST

    ONE OF THEM

    LORD

    WHOM YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL ME 

    WHO HE IS THIS LORD!!!

    SOMETHING YOU DIDNT COMMIT YOURSELF TO, FOR A REASON ONLY YOU KNOW, WHICH DEFINITELY FOR YOU, WAS NOT SO COMFORTABLE TO DO SO UP TO NOW, AND

    ALSO NOT SOMETHING BY WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE ENDED UP

    RIGHT IN YOUR ARGUMENT!

    DESPITE THEY WERE THREE, AND

    THREE ANSWERED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD

    ADDRESSED BY ABRAHAM!

    YOU: Nowhere in scripture does it say those three that appeared to Abraham were

    all God’s, 

    that is you “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

    FIRST AND FOREMOST Gene,

    IT IS YOU WHO ARE FORCING MY TEXT

    TO SAY SOMETHING WHICH IN FACT IT IS NOT EVEN HINTED AT!

    OR RATHER YOU ARE SIMPLY LYING SINCE 

    I NEVER USED THE WORD 

    GODS AT ALL

    BUT TO ME WITHOUT FORCING THE TEXT FOR SURE

    IT COULD WELL MEAN THAT  THEY  WERE ALL

    THREE LORDS

    AS MUCH AS

    ONE LORD!!!

    SINCE THE ANSWER WAS IN BOTH MANNERS, I MEAN SINGULAR AND PLURAL 

     

    NOW LET’S READ THE LAST BIT OF THIS

    CONFUSED CONVERSATION! FOR YOU Gene THERE’S NO DOUBT!

    Genesis 18:9And when THEY had eaten,

    THEY said to him:

    AGAIN THE THREE OF THEM SPOKE!

    Where is Sara thy wife?

    HE ANSWERED: LO, SHE IS IN THE TENT.

    10And HE said to him:

    BACK AGAIN TO THE LORD ??????????? AS ONE PERSON

    I will return

    and come to thee at this time, life accompanying and Sara thy wife shall have a son.

    IN THE ABOVE

    THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD, AGAIN FOR YOU Gene, 

    ON HIS OWN WOULD FOR SURE RETURN BACK TO SARA, 

    AND SHE SHALL HAVE A SON!!!!

    ANOTHER MYSTERIOUS TASK BY

    THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD! 

    THE FACT THAT WHAT IN ACTUAL FACT WOULD HAPPEN,

    THERE WOULD NOT BE THE NEED FOR

    THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD TO BE 

    THREE

    IN ORDER

    SIMPLY FOR SARA TO BE CONCEIVED AND GIVE BIRTH

    TO ISAAC ALL IN ONE INSTANT

    WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURE! NO???

    WHICH MADE SARA INSANE WITH ASTONISHMENT TO THE EXTENT THAT SHE

    LAUGHED 

    THE FACT THAT ABRAHAM,  STRANGELY ENOUGH NOT 

    SARA AS NORMALLY WOMEN DO GIVE NAMES TO THEIR CHILD,

    NAMED HIM ISAAK!!!

    The name Isaac: Summary

    Meaning
    Laughter, He Will Laugh
    Etymology
    From the verbs צחק (sahaq) and שחק (sahaq), to laugh or make fun.

    NOW Gene, READ HEREUNDER IN RELATION TO WHAT HAPPENED

    WHEN THIS MYSTERIOUS LORD VISITED

    MYSTERIOUSLY SARA!

    Genesis 21:1And the Lord visited Sara, as he had promised:

    and fulfilled what he had spoken.

    Gene, WHAT HE FULFILLED ON THE DAY OF HIS

    MYSTERIOUS VISIT ???

    2And she conceived and bore a son in her old age,

    at the time that God had foretold her.

    DID YOU GET IT Gene????

    GOD FORETOLD SARA!

    WHO IS THIS RATHER. FOR THE FIRST TIME OF WHOM SCRIPTURE MADE CLEAR

    THAT HE WAS IN ACTUAL FACT 

    GOD

    BOTH ONE LORD AND

    ALSO THREE

    IN RELATION TO THE

    CONFUSED CONVERSATION IN GENESIS 18?????

    KEEEP IN MIND THAT

    NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME  AND LIVE!

    THER’S ONLY

    ONE LORD AND GOD Gene! 

    OUR LORD  GOD JESUS CHRIST!

    ONLY HIM HUMANS CAN SEE AND LIVE, 

    IN THE SAME WAY, ABRAHAM DID SEE AND WAS GLAD TO BECOME A FATHER WITHOUT INTERCOURSE WITH SARA:

    John8:56 Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day:

    he saw it, and was glad.

    BACK TO Genesis 21:

    3And Abraham called the name of his son, whom Sara bore him, Isaac.

    NOT SARA NAMED HIM, SIMPLY AS SHE NEVER WAS PREGNANT WITH ISAAK AT ALL!

    SHE HAD NO AUTHORITY AS MOTHER OVER ISAAK!

     4And he circumcised him the eighth day, as God had commanded him, 5When he was a hundred years old: for at this age of his father was Isaac born. 6And Sara said:

    God hath made a laughter for me:

    WHY LAUGHTER??? GOD SIMPLY SHOWED SARA THAT

    HE DOESN’T NEED A WOMAN AND THE SEXUAL PROCESS AT ALL TO GIVE BIRTH, GOD MADE FUN OF SARA AND TO FEEL USELESS, CHILDISH, AND AT THE SAME TIME 

    BLESSED, AS A WOMAN

    צחק  שחק

    The verbs צחק (sahaq) and שחק (sahaq) are probably two different written forms of the same verbal verb: both mean

    to laugh, to express joy or delight, to have fun, to sport, to play, to fool around, to deride, to mock, and so on.

    whosoever shall hear of it

    will laugh with me.

    FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO 

    GOD’S OWN WORK

    IT IS HIS SPIRIT

    “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!!!

    7And again she said: Who would believe that Abraham should hear that Sara gave suck to a son,

    SHE NEVER GAVE BIRTH AS  WOMEN NORMALLY DO!

    BUT SHE GAVE SUCK TO ISAAK

    AS WOMEN NORMALLY DO!

    whom she bore to him in his old age.

    IN HIS USELESS AGE!

    ALL GOD’S OWN WORK SIMPLY SO 

    ISAAK , OR RATHER

    JESUS, THE SON OF MAN AS A SPIRIT, PRE-EXISTED EMBODIED IN ISAAK, WOULD BE

    THE BEGINNING!!!

    AND MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY

    OF THE 

    ETERNAL COVENANT 

    PERFECT WITHOUT THE LEAST SPECK OF SATAN’S

    MEDDLING, 

    SINCE IT IS 

    ETERNAL!!!

    AND HUMANS ARE MORTAL

    Gene, ENJOY IN YOUR ANSWER WITH YOUR NORMAL

    BLA, BLA, and BLA

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #868378
    Ed J
    Participant

    This is as clear as mud.

    Hi Proclaimer,

    The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”

    #868379
    Ed J
    Participant

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19)

    the name of the Father – JEHOVAH

    the name of the Son – Jesus

    the name of the Holy Spirit – The Word

    “But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them” (Isaiah 63:10 )

    #868380
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Edj,

    FIRST AND FOREMOST 

    ALL THE BEST TO YOU AND TO ALL THOSE ON HEAVEN NET!

    YOU: the name of the Son – Jesus

    ME: HUMBLY SPEAKING IT’S NOT YOUR FAVOURITE SINCE IT IS LONG, BUT

    THE LOVE FOR GOD’S TRUTH MAKES YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF IT!

    WHETHER YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT, FROM MY SIDE, IT IS

    THE TRUTH AS IT WAS REVEALED TO ME BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT  I AM SUBJECT TO THIS

    MORTAL  CORRUPTED FLESH BODY, THE ENEMY OF GOD ON EARTH!

     

    WHEN IN SCRIPTURE WE MEET THE TITLE

    “THE SON”, 

    IT IS NOT JUST

    JESUS, THE MAN!!!

    CARNAL!!!

    JESUS IS THE NAME BOTH OF

    THE SON OF MAN “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS’ DIVINE NATURE,  IN

    JESUS FLESH BODY,

    ANNOUNCED PURPOSELY IN A DREAM, EARTHLY, BY

    GABRIEL TO JOSEPH!

    AND ALSO THE NAME OF

    THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD, JESUS’ DIVINE NATURE, IN

    JESUS’SOUL!

    SPIRITUAL!!!

    ANNOUNCED DIRECTLY FROM HEAVEN BY

    GABRIEL TO MARY

    THE MOTHER OF ALL SOULS!

    FROM THE CROSS BY JESUS!

    Luke 1:35…..And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called

    the Son of God.

    SIMPLY TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, WITH

    A FLESH BODY, AND WITH A SOUL,

    ALL DIVINE!!!

    CONFIRMED IN SCRIPTURE!

    TWO IN ONE FLESH

    SEPARATED ON HIS BIRTH

    LIKE HUMANS ARE, AND 

    UNITED ON HIS DEATH 

    “THE WORD” JESUS

    THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN,

    BOTH AS ONE IN

    CHRIST, 

    LIKE HUMANS WOULD EVENTUALLY BE:

    WE WILL BE LIKE ONTO HIM AS WE SEE HIM AS HE IS!

    SCRIPTURE:

    ACTS 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know

    most certainly,

    that God hath made

    both LORD and CHRIST,

    this SAME Jesus, 

    A CLEAR REFERENCE TO “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS’DIVINE NATURE!

    whom you have crucified.

    BY WHICH DEED

    THE HOLY GHOST, IN JESUS’SOUL ACQUIRED 

    JESUS’FLESH BODY, in the same way, JESUS’ THE SON OF MAN ACQUIRED EQUIVALENTLY 

    THE HOLY GHOST!

    ONE SUBSTANCE

    BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH 

    JESUS CHRIST FROM THEN ON

    MANIFESTED HIMSELF ON EARTH IN ONE INSTANT BOTH

    VISIBLE IN FLESH, without losing His

    INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL STATE!

    UNIQUE GODMAN!!!

    ATTENTION Edj,

    ATTRIBUTED TO THE 

    SON!!! INSTANTLY ON JESUS’ DEATH,

    ONE SUBSTANCE! I REPEAT:

    BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH IN

    CHRIST!!!

     

    MOST POWERFUL EVER! 

    JESUS CHRIST, WAS TAKEN BY SATAN,

    WHO WAS SIMPLY KEPT ALIVE BY CHRIST

    ETERNAL LIFE

    IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH HIS/SATAN’S

    PROCEDURE IN HELL, AND HE HIMSELF 

    PROCLAIMED JESUS  BOTH

    ETERNAL LIFE, FOR ALL THOSE IN HELL,

    GODMAN 

    IN FLESH

    MOSES BURNING BUSH AND NOT CONSUMED!!!

    PRECISELY IN HELL IN FRONT OF HIS ASSOCIATES!

    BY WHICH ACT GOD THE FATHER FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME,

    AS/IN CHRIST

    WAS KNOWN AND ACCEPTED 

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

    Scripture: John 20:28 Thomas answered, and said to him:

    My Lord, and my God. 

    THE ABOVE IS A REFERENCE TO WHAT HAPPENED IN HELL, 

    MORE DETAIL AVAILABLE THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO FURNISHES ME WITH ALL THIS DESPITE A

    SINNER, AND A MERE UNQUALIFIED TRADE MAN!

    SIMPLY A HOUSEHOLDER AND A

    SCRIBE IN THE WORK OF GODS KINGDOM!

      Matthew 13: 52 He said unto them: Therefore every scribe instructed in the kingdom of heaven, is like to a man that is a householder, who bringeth forth out of his treasure

    new things and old.

    Now to:

    Mark 1:8 I have baptized you with water;

    THE WATER IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO

    THE HOLY SPIRIT

    FROM THE FATHER, NOT FROM THE SON, THE FACT THAT JOHN WAS SENT BY

    THE FATHER!

    BY WHICH DEED 

    JOHN CAST OUT SATAN FROM HUMAN SOUL/HEART! TEMPORARY, IN ORDER, TO ACCEPT

    JESUS’GOSPEL!

    …but he

    shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

    GLORIFIED IN “THE WORD: JESUS’FLESH AND BLOOD ON THE CROSS AND VICE VERSA! John13:32-33

    NOW THE

    HE

     IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE HUMAN BEING,

    JESUS, IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN IN HIS

    FLESH AND HIS SOUL

    NOT YET GLORIFIED UNITED ONE SUBSTANCE IN

    CHRIST!

    SCRIPTURE:

    John20:21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you.

    As the Father hath

    SENT ME,

    A CLEAR REFERENCE TO HIS STATE

    IN THE SPIRIT,

    THE SPIRITUAL ETERNAL COVENANT! 

    THE NEW TESTAMENT,

    I also send you. 

    THOUGH HUMANS EX SATANIC,

    IN THE PROCESS OF THE SPIRITUAL CHURCH OF GOD,

    THE BRIDE TO BE, THE NEW JERUSALEM TO BE.

    THE NEW SPIRITUAL/FLESH BODY TO BE,

    DIRECTLY FROM THE FATHER,

    WHEN THE FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY IS EMBODIED

    ALL IN ALL IN 

    JESUS CHRIST BODY. AND JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF AS A SPIRIT RETURN BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL STATE IN

    THE FATHER’S BOSOM!

    AS HE ETERNALLY WAS 

    IN ONE GLORY WITH THE FATHER,

    BEFORE CREATION STARTED!

    1Corinthians 15:38 But God

    giveth it a body as he will: 

    AS MUCH AS 

    JESUS’ FLESH, THE RANSOM, WAS PROVIDED BY THE FATHER, by his own

    WORD IN

    “THE WORD” MADE FLESH,

    AFTER JESUS,

    THE SON OF GOD OF THE HOLY GHOST CAME OUT OF MARY AS A

    SPIRIT: sent by the Father!

    THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD FULLY LUMINOUS,

    IN THE SAME WAY

    ISAAK WAS BORN THROUGH SARA!

    totally of GOD! and NOTHING OF EARTH!

    THE BEGINNING

    OF THE NEW ETERNAL SPIRITUAL/FLESHCOVENANT.

    NOW BACK TO: 

    John20:22 When he had said this,

    he breathed on them; and he said to them:

    Receive ye the Holy Ghost.

    ATTRIBUTED TO 

    THE SON!!! GLORIFIED

    BOTH “THE WORD” and THE HOLY GHOST, ONE SUBSTANCE  IN

    CHRIST JESUS.

    SCRIPTURE:

    John5:25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear

    the voice of

    (A) the Son of God,

    Edj, THE VOICE OF GOD IS 

    THE HOLY GHOST

    NOT “THE WORD”  OF GOD

    PRECISELY  HEARD IN HELL PREACHING HIS/JESUS’ GOSPEL OF

    THE SON/DIVINE OF MAN!

    and they that hear shall live. 

    THUS WERE TAKEN BY JESUS CHRIST TO HEAVEN AND WERE PRESENTED

    AS THE FRUIT OF “THE WORD” JESUS’FLESH BODY, THE RANSOM; TO 

    THE FATHER! THE PROVIDER!

    26For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given

    the Son

    NOT JUST THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD,  OK??? BUT ALSO “THE WORD”

    THE SON OF MAN!

    ETERNAL LIFE!!!

    AGAIN ONCE UNITED WITH THE LIFE GIVEN SPIRIT,

    THE HOLY GHOST, READ:

    also to have life in himself: 27And he hath given him power to do judgment,

    ATTENTION PLEASE:

    because he is

    (ALSO)

    (B) the Son of man.

    GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE IN

    CHRIST John13:31-32, John17:1

    GODMAN IN

    HELL, on

    EARTH, and in

    HEAVEN 

    ON THE RIGHT AND OF GOD THE FATHER!!!

    ACTS 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost,

    looking up steadfastly to heaven,

    saw the glory of God,

    and Jesus standing on the right hand of God.  

    UNITED IN ONE SAME GLORY

    Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be,

    which shall go forth from my mouth:

    it shall not return to me

    void,

    but it shall do whatsoever I please, and

    shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.

    HOW???

    reflect: “THE WORD” LEFT THE FATHER’S MOUTH AS A SPIRIT!!!

    let there be light!

    NOW IN ORDER NOT TO RETURN VOID,

    “THE WORD”

    RETAINED HIS ORIGINAL SPIRIT,

    ETERNAL LIFE!

    IN ALL THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE’S HEART/SOUL

    ETERNALLY AT ALL COSTS!!!

    PROSPERRING ON EARTH!!!

    AND ALSO RETURNED TO THE FATHER IN BOTH

    SPIRIT AND FLESH! IN

    CHRIST

    THE FATHER’S BODY YET TO BE!!!

    Genesis 2:24Wherefore a man shall leave

    father and mother,

    and shall cleave to

    his wife:

    and they shall be

    two in one flesh.

    I LEAVE IT TO YOU TO DISCERN

    WHO THE CHARACTERS ARE ALSO SPIRITUAL IN THE ABOVE

    NOT JUST FLESH IN ADAM, AND EVE!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

    #868382
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. …..show me where what I am saying is not GOOD NEWS,  I TIE OUR HUMAN IDENITY “EXACTLY WITH THE MAN JESUS’,  how is thats not GOOD NEWS. 

    Your GOSPEL is bad news, because it pushes Jesus’ human IDENITY AWAY FROM HIS human  BROTHERS AND SISTER,   you remove him from the human race and try to place him some where else, which you by the way you don’t even know were.  You have quite the nerve saying what I say is bad news. 

    I find what you said about me both Demning and Offensive.  Bad Form Proclaimer?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

    #868383
    Berean
    Participant

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of peace.

    Wonderful

    6382

    peh’-leh

    from ‘pala’ ‘(6381); a miracle: – wonderful thing, wonder (-ful, -fully).

    *******

    Judges 13:18

    And the angel of Jehovah said unto him, Why askest thou my name thus, for it is secret

    6383

    pil’iy
    pil-ee ‘

    or paliy1 {paw-lee ‘}; from ‘pala’ ‘(6381); remarkable: – secret, wonderful.

    The Angel of YAHVEH IS THE SON OF GOD.

    #868384
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer,

    The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”

    What is the Sword of the Spirit then?

    #868386
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The Gospel according to Gene

    Proclaimer. …..show me where what I am saying is not GOOD NEWS,

    Example 1

    A man follows and loves God his whole life. But he denies God on the last day of his life and tells him in no uncertain terms that he does not want God in his life ever again. He dies and is eternally cut off from God. On Judgement Day, he makes the argument that he had no free will, so why should he suffer for choices that he had no control over. God said too bad. That is the way it is, ask Gene. Possible and likely to happen if Gene is correct.
    – The gospel according to Gene.

    Example 2)

    God didn’t pay the highest price for us. He didn’t send his firstborn into the world from Heaven. In fact, we do not know who the first born actually is. The first to be with God is a mystery. Instead, God whipped up a man descended from Adam and turned him into the lamb to be sacrificed. He decided to exalt that guy to the highest position as a result. If that dude failed, then God could easily whip up another dude. But of course, no free will meant that he had no choice anyway, so he just followed God’s program as an autonomous robot and then he gets the highest reward possible.
    – The Gospel according to Gene.

    Example 3

    The way to interpret scripture is to basically take an opposite meaning to what the clear text says. If it says that Jesus went to the Father in the glory he had with him before the cosmos, it means that he didn’t return to the glory he had because he wasn’t with the Father in the beginning. This little trick has meant that all who earnestly seek God and truth are not able to cypher this code in scripture. In fact, only Gene, Jodi, and a few others ever understood that you need to take the opposite meaning of what is written. This is bad news for the vast majority of people who honestly seek God and truth. They are at risk of not having salvation because they believed what the text actually said, thus are deceived.
    – The Gospel according to Gene.

    Example 4

    Gene has the truth, but nearly every other Believer on the planet does not.  However, they cannot hear Gene because they have no free will. So they cannot choose to hear him. They are condemned because they rejected the truth. This is by design.
    – The Gospel according to Gene.

    Example 5

    Heaven is like a computer program. No one really has a choice. It is a program that plays out. It seems that only Gene and Jodi have the truth. They didn’t even choose this position, but their captivated will forced them to be the only true teachers in almost all the Earth. Nevertheless, they will be honored for their great service despite them not even choosing all this. They will happily take this of course. When they preach their gospel to others, if they are honest, they will point out that the hearer has a 0.000000001% chance of their captivated will leading them to the truth anyway. So no point in preaching the gospel. In reality, it has nothing to do with preaching the message and people choosing to believe and respond accordingly anyway. Rather it is about captivated wills and whether they lead us to the truth. In 99.9999999% of cases, their captivated wills will not lead them to the truth and will be condemned for not having the truth.
    – The Gospel according to Gene.

    #868387
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt 28:19)

    the name of the Father – JEHOVAH

    the name of the Son – Jesus

    the name of the Holy Spirit – The Word

    Encyclopedia Britannia, the 11th edition vol 3, page 365-366
    “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Ghost by the Catholic church in the second century.

    Encyclopedia Britannia, vol 3, page 82
    “Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ.”

    Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53
    The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century.

    Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume2
    Christian baptism was administered using the words, “in the name of Jesus”. page 377.

    The use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in the early Church’s history.page 378

    “Go ye therefore and teach all nations, in my name” … the latter form being the more frequent.page 380.

    Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, when the triune formula was used. page 389.

    Catholic Encyclopedia, vol 2, page 377,
    Catholics acknowledge that baptism in Jesus’ name was changed by the Catholic church.

    Schaff-Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435
    The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.

    Hastings Dictionary of Bible, page 88
    It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.

    The Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53 states,
    The early Church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the development of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century.

    #868388
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Your GOSPEL is bad news, because it pushes Jesus’ human IDENITY AWAY FROM HIS human  BROTHERS AND SISTER,   you remove him from the human race and try to place him some where else, which you by the way you don’t even know were.  You have quite the nerve saying what I say is bad news. 

    This is a blatant lie. We have told you repeatedly that he emptied himself and came in the flesh. He was a baby and had to learn obedience just like us. Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

    You should apologize Gene. But we know what manner of man you are right?

    #868391
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. …..example 1….. that simply not true , if God has taken out of a person the heart of stone and replaced it with a heart of Flesh, then he has changed that person and the way he or she thinks,

    Your ot g er example are just like it also, your self willed salvation is nothing more then a lie, scripture tell us ‘”ther is none that calls on the name of the Lord” , and again  “there is non rightious no not even one”,  but you say you are because  you say  by your own so-called “freewill” you can  manage to save yourself even though no, one else can according to scriptures.

    No, what you are saying is a blatant lie,  by Your belief of a “freewill” salvation created by yourself that’s  one of the biggest lies anyone could ever believe in. It deals God the Father and Jesus Christ complete out of anything that has to do with our salvation, and turns it all over to ourselves. Over to our own,  so-called “freewill” choices.  YOUR MAN MADE SALVATION BY ‘FREEWILLS” IS  a total LIE, and corruption of our scriptures, as far away from the truth a person  can get. IMO

    You don’t even believe that it is God himself that gives us the Faith , to even believe in him and Jesus. None of that came from a man “so-called “freewill”. But from the will of God working in all those called by  him.   Salvation is a work of God and God alone Proclaimer.  There is nothing bad about that Gospel ,  it’s your gospel that’s bad, because it destory’s the work of God and Jesus in humanity, and makes it all about a  “random” “access”  salvation, that is acquire by the person,  him or herself.  Now that’s what I call bad news.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

     

    #868392
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer. …..example 1….. that simply not true , if God has taken out of a person the heart of stone and replaced it with a heart of Flesh, then he has changed that person and the way he or she thinks,

    Did they choose to receive this salvation or was it a captivated will as you say?

    The change of heart still requires the ability to choose the new heart.

    #868393
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Your ot g er example are just like it also, your self willed salvation is nothing more then a lie, scripture tell us ‘”ther is none that calls on the name of the Lord” , and again “there is non rightious no not even one”, but you say you are because you say by your own so-called “freewill” you can manage to save yourself even though no, one else can according to scriptures.

    Seriously Gene, this is one of the worst posts I have read. It reveals a man with very little understanding of biblical things. It’s right up there with saying the earth is flat because it looks like that when you look at a football field.

    You are way out of your depth. It’s time to find out God’s will for your life.

    #868394
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene, when a man continually resists truth, God hands him over to delusion. So deluded can a man be that even though he is a fool, he actually thinks he is wise.

    #868395
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer,

    The HolySpirit’s name is “The Word”

    Q. What is the Sword of the Spirit then?

    A. The Word

    #868396
    Ed J
    Participant

    What is the Sword of the Spirit then?

    Proclaimer,

    What is the sword that comes out of the rider on the white horse’s mouth?

    #868397
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. ….perhaps that exactly what has happened to you, did you ever think about that?

    I know God ‘s “will” for my life, and it isn’t me saving myself by my own so-called  “freewill” choices, as your is.  God “works ” “in” those he is with, by taking out of them the heart of stone and giving them a heart of flesh, and writing on their hearts his law’s AND COMMANDMENTS, and even giving them the “FAITH” to even believe him and Jesus,   THATS HOW TRUE BELIEVERS ARE SAVED ,  No one will ever get up in God’s face and say as you do,  to him “his own so-called ,  “freewill”,  was what saved him.  

    Youŕ so-called  “freewill”  salvation is a joke at best, if you ask me. Because no such thing exists. Nor ever did exist either. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

    #868400
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    YOU: Salvation is a work of God and God alone Proclaimer.

    Gene, HOW ABOUT TELLING US SOMETHING ABOUT

    HOW CONDEMNATION CAME?

    WAS IT ALSO GOD’S WILL?

    OR 

     

    LUCIFER’S WILL IN THE FIRST PLACE AS A

    SPIRIT?

    and CONSEQUENTLY 

    ADAM’S WILL IN THE SECOND PLACE AS A

    LIVING SOUL?

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

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