What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


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  • #800199
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Actually Korah was the rebel who was swallowed up by the earth for challenging Moses.

    But his sons were leaders in worship and in penning large numbers of beautiful psalms including this one.

     

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    #800201
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Man and humanity are synonyms.

    The subject of the passage is “man being in honor abideth not” not humanity in general. Every pronoun in the passage can be replaced by that subject.

    Upright humans abide in honor or they are not upright.

    The word man or human 13 is more ambiguous but the context tells us they are deceived by those that do no abide in honor. The upright may be deceived for a time but in the end they will find the truth.

    That leads me to understand that both mentions of man is speaking of men who do not seek God’s righteousness or his kingdom.

    #800202
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    I would have thought it meant rather that a man held in honour on earth may not be so in the eyes of God.

    He has no permanent home or reputation here.

    #800203
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Lk 16

    He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts.

    What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.”

    #800205
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    It is a song of the descendants of the priest Korah. Korah as you said died in the rebellion.

    #800206
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    So natural man lives in his own deluded world.

    Unaware that God knows his every thought, attitude and action.

    Unaware that there is much more light and that judgement awaits him according to that eternal light

     

     

     

    #800208
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Not from the verses I quoted but 10-11 of the Psalms sum that up by saying “wise” go the way of the fool and the brute.

    #800209
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    So natural man lives in his own deluded world.

    Unaware that God knows his every thought, attitude and action.

    Unaware that there is much more light and that judgement awaits him according to that eternal light

    That is their subconscious or/and conscious choice.

    The Hebrews that heard God speak the Ten Commandments from the mountain were worshiping a false God a few days later.

    #800210
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Psalm 49:12-14American Standard Version (ASV)

    12 But man being in honor abideth not: He is like the beasts that perish.

    13 This their way is their folly: Yet after them men approve their sayings. Selah

    14 They are appointed as a flock for Sheol; Death shall be their shepherd; And the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; And their beauty shall be for Sheol to consume, That there be no habitation for it.

     

    To not walk in the light is to walk in folly.

    To be honoured on earth means nothing. Vanity.

    Natural man heads for sheol with his flesh another vanity

    #800213
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    If you look at their beauty as their honor before men then Sheol certainly does consume it.

    #800217
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    beauty is honor??

    beauty is another vanity of mankind unrelated to honor.

    #800218
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You are thinking of physical beauty but there are other kinds.

    #800219
    carmel
    Participant

    What is your confession regarding Jesus

    Adam died spiritually?
    He never had the Holy Spirit and such a death is man made.

    Nick,

    I MUST KEEP REMINDING YOU, UNLESS YOU PRODUCE SCRIPTURES YOUR WORDS ARE VOID! USELESS!

    NOW TO SUPER LOGICAL REASONING:

    Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat.
    for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, THOU SHALT DIE THE DEATH.

    The term: DIE THE DEATH, is a reference to A PARTICULAR DEATH

    both to Adam’s soul, “THE WORD” and to his FLESH BODY and both of them died

    THE DEATH

    INSTANTLY!

    BOTH OF THEM!

    You definitely say:

    But Adam remained ALIVE in the flesh!

    In a particular way Adam’s FLESH was alive, but in the truth

    IT BOTH DIED AND ALSO WAS BORN IN FLESH AND BLOOD!

    NOW ALSO if we take a day for a thousand years, ADAM AND ALL HIS DESCENDANTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION O NOAH, DIED NEARLY AFTER ONE THOUSAND YEARS, SO ALSO IN ONE DAY!

    Now let’s Read:

    Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said to him: Follow me, and
    let the dead bury their dead

    SO HUMANS’ BODY FROM ADAM’S SIN WAS DEAD! BOTH IN THE FLESH, SINCE IT WAS ONLY A CARRIER, AND IN THE SOUL SINCE SATANA THE SPIRIT OF DEATH, ABIDED IN IT,

    John 3:5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be

    born again of water and the Holy Ghost,   IN ONE INSTANT

    he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    6That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit.

    Let’s analyze the above scriptures.

    SO Adam never had a FLESH AND BLOOD BODY before he sinned. he was not yet born of the flesh and blood!!!!

    But for sure he had a spiritual flesh body since God created him in His Image and likeness!

    ALL SPIRITUAL!

    WHICH MEANS HE HAD A SOUL, in John 3:5 above depicted as WATER, and also THE HOLY GHOST within,  ADAM was born in water and of the Holy Ghost!!!

    THE FACT THAT JESUS SAID : BORN AGAIN……..

    since He was in God’s own image!

    The fact that

    THEY WERE NAKED, WHICH MEANS WITHOUT A PHYSICAL, TANGIBLE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY!

    So once he sinned and rejected God’s process of holiness,

    ALL GOD’S CHARACTERISITICS, GOD’S LIKNESS,

    related to God’s process of holiness were lost, so

    HIS PURE SPIRITUAL BODY DIED,

    THE HOLY GHOST left Adam’s soul,and was replaced with a

    FLESH AND BLOOD BODY, as an act of justification that Satana occupied Adam’s soul for the first ever time, therefore:

    HE WAS BORN OF THE FLESH, dead substance, not spiritual at all,

    JUST A CARRIER! related to the evil spirit Satana who had just taken hold of Adam’s soul, with the consequences, that his soul,

    IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME,

    ENGULFED IN THE EVIL FILTHY BLOOD, could never live in

    the truth of God anymore, but only through the FATHER OF LIES within him!

    As Jesus Himself declared:

    John8: Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 45But if I say the truth, you believe me not. 46Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me? 47He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.

    So ADAM was not of God, or rather HE DIDN’T REMAIN OF GOD, when he sinned, but of Satana!

    So The above is more related to the spiritual death, THROUGHOUT since Adam was all spiritual even his flesh body!

    THE FACT THAT FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR GOD, IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH ESTABLISHES ALL!

    SINCE GOD IS SPIRIT, AND THROUGH HIS UNFATHOMABLE WISDOM HE CREATES ALL!

    READ AND BE CONVINCED of the truth:

    Ezekiel 37:7 And I prophesied as he had commanded me: and as I prophesied there was a noise, and behold a commotion:

    and the bones came together, each one to its joint. 8And I saw, and behold the sinews, and the flesh came up upon them: and the skin was stretched out over them, but there was no spirit in them.

    9And he said to me:

    Prophesy to the spirit, prophesy, O son of man, and say to the spirit: Thus saith the Lord God: Come, spirit, from the four winds, and blow upon these slain, and let them live again.

    10And I prophesied as he had commanded me:

    and the spirit came into them, and they lived: and they stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

    From the above we are aware that God ordered his spirit twice,

    first in order to establish anew

    the human flesh and blood bodies, and still remained lifeless! OK???

    OBVIOUS THEY WERE BORN ONLY OF THE FLESH!!!!  DEAD LUCIFER’S SUBSTANCE NO? depicted in Genesis 2:7 mist and dust, SLIME!!!

    Then he ordered His spirit again from the four winds,  now, with every respect do you discern the meaning of this????? what the four winds signify, and gave life to the flesh????

    never mind!

    THEN THEY WERE BORN OF THE SPIRIT!

    EXSCTLY AS JESUS DECLARED!

    NOW THIS IS FOR YOU,

    NICK, KERWIN, AND T8,

    John 3:12 If I have spoken to you earthly things,       GOT IT??????

    AND YOU BELIEVE NOT ;

    how will you believe,

    IF I SPEAK TO YOU HEAVENLY THINGS???????????????

     

    Now MORE, TO MAKE SURE YOU WON’T BE IN DOUBT regarding

    the Holy Spirit within Adam!

    In the above I said that ONCE ADAM SINNED, the EVIL spirit Satana got hold temporary Adam’s soul, and in the truth,
    Adam became:

    THE CURSED FLESH AND BLOOD FATHER AND GOD OF THE EARTH OF ALL ( SATANIC) HUMAN BEINGS!

    THE MOST HORRIBLE CREATURE EVER!

    ADAM WAS THE IMAGE OF SATANA!

    HE COMPLETELY LOST GOD’S SPIRIUAL FLESH BEAUTY!

    TODAY SCIENCE PROVED WHAT KIND OF A HUMAN BEING WAS ADAM IN THE TRUTH!

    SO SATANA WALKED ON EARTH AS THE MAN ADAM, IN FLESH AND BLOOD!

    HIS DREAM CAME TRUE! For four thousand years! AGAIN GOT THE MESSAGE OR NOT????

    So IT STANDS TO REASON, that before HE sinned:

    ADAM WAS IN THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY!!

    IN THE IMAGE OF GOD AND LIKENESS!

    THE ABODE OF GOD

    NOW THAT IS CLEAR ENOUGH AND

    SUPER LOGICAL ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THAT SINCE ADAM WAS THE VERY FIRST ABODE OF GOD,

    IN THE GARDEN OF GOD,

    IN ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS OF GOD

    ALL ETERNALLY EXISTED,

    HE DEFINITELY HAD 

    THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN HIS SOUL

    HE WAS BORN OF WATER AND THE HOLY GHOST

    FOR GOD ONLY ABIDES WITHIN THE HOLY GHOST, AND VICE VERSA!

    I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME!

    ALWAYS AS HE SEEMS FIT. ALWAYS IN HIS OWN GENUINE SUBSTANCE!

    OBVIOUS THEN:

    ADAM’S SOUL WAS “THE WORD” SINCE HE WAS THE FIRST BORN OF ALL HUMAN CREATURES!  IN THIS CASE !ALL IN HIM…..

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #800224
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Put a cover on either end and you have written a book.

    But it is full of gnostic nonsense

    And that is after asking us to produce scripture!

    2 jn 9 is the only one you need.

    #800225
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Why would you assume it meant something other than what is written?

    #800226
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You are the one assuming.

    I merely said the words can support your earlier conclusion as that interpretation of them would be true.

    The only thing I know that goes to Sheol, except in rare instances, is the soul.

    #800227
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    All that men admire and feel they deserve credit for is imaginary.

    Death awaits all and the morning will expose their standing before God

    #800228
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Yes!

    #800229
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    v15

    ”But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave; for He shall receive me. Selah”

    ”Receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of your souls”.1Peter 1

    ”Death where is thy sting?”

    #800230
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    That is not speaking of humans. It is speaking of the sons of God for the flesh is nothing and the Spirit is all.

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