What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #800003
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Adam died spiritually?

    He never had the Holy Spirit and such a death is man made.

    #800008
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Adam died spiritually?

    He never had the Holy Spirit and such a death is man made.

    Nick,

    No it is not man made.

    Adam sinned, the Holy Spirit left the soul and Satana entered, the soul died simply because  SATANA IS THE SPIRIT OF DEATH, GOD SUPPLIED THE FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE FOR THE SOUL!

     

    Hebrews 2:14 Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood,

     

    THE SOUL IN THE BLOOD, AND SATANA ABIDED IN IT, 

    THE FACT THAT ANIMAL SACRIFICE MUST BE BURNT IN FIRE, AND FIRE REPRESENTS GOD SUBSTANCE, AND IT WOULD CONSUME ALL EVIL SPIRITS FROM WITHIN THEIR SOULS, READY TO ENTER IN HUMANS CLEAN, BUT THROUGH CONCEPTION SATANA ENTERED AGAIN SINCE IT WAS HIS RIGHT TO DO SO!

    SINCE SEX WAS INTRODUCED BY SIN

    SATANA’S PROCEDURE OF REPRODUCTION!

    he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: SO JESUS HAD TO HAVE THE SAME FLESH AND BLOOD IN ORDER TO HAVE SATANA WITHIN HIS SOUL

     

    that, through death, he might destroy him who had THE EMPIRE OF DEATH , that is to say, the devil:

    THE MYSTERY IS

    SINCE MARY WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT,

     

    HOW SATANA STILL ENTERED IN JESUS’ SOUL???????

    IF HIS PROCEDURE WAS THROUGH SEXUAL ACT ONLY???

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

     

    Charles

    #800009
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    The Holy Spirit never lived in his soul.

    The rest you made up.

    #800010
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I agree but some here argue he does have a body and some of those argue that the spiritual body is made if the stuff of his body.

    I instead say that a body that is submissive to the Holy Spirit is physical and immortal.

    Charles is more traditional Gnostic than some others that follow remnants of those teachings an yet call themselves Christians and so he believes a physical body is inherently impure.

    #800011
    kerwin
    Participant

    Charles,

    There is nothing that declares all sex as impure but rather God commanded humanity ” Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” Sex is the method God designed us to reproduce using.

    #800015
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    “I instead say that a body that is submissive to the Holy Spirit is physical and immortal.”

    Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies it remains but a single seed.

    Are you not awaiting the new body?

    #800025
    carmel
    Participant

     

    The Holy Spirit never lived in his soul.

    Nick,

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S NOT MY CONCERN BUT HEREUNDER IS THE PURE TRUTH!

    God gave Adam the first living sou! THROUGH HIS BREATH!

    The first living soul was:

    “THE WORD” SINCE AL BY HIM, AND ALL IN HIM!

    “THE WORD” IS A TRIUNE SPIRIT WHICH INCORPORATES THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    THE FACT THAT LEFT THE FATHER, AND

    THE FATHER IS A TRIUNE, AND

    WHATEVER LEAVES THE FATHER IS ALWAYS TRIUNE,

    BOTH IF IT IS EMANATED, AND CREATED!

    REGARDING THE REST YOU HAVE TO PRODUCE SCRIPTURES WHICH DECLARES OTHERWISE,

    TILL THEN MY STANDS

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #800039
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    No I do not believe much of that spiritualistic rubbish at all.

    You do not seem to have any scriptural base

    Which bible do you rely on?

    #800041
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    It seems you have no respect for Jesus Christ and the prophets and apostles.

    You diverge so much from their teachings.

     

    No point then in giving you any scriptures

    #800042
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Have you fallen for the folly that says MARY IS THE MOTHER OF GOD?

    That is about as big an insult as you can offer God.

    Even Jesus was under the curse of jb 25

    #800046
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    “I instead say that a body that is submissive to the Holy Spirit is physical and immortal.”

    Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies it remains but a single seed.

    Are you not awaiting the new body?

    The body I am in at the current time is not submissive to the Holy Spirit but subject to corruption.

    I would rather be fully mature in Christ than have a new one but the result of striving the narrow gate is to be presented with a body subject to the reign of God and not one that has been handed over to the god of this world.

    #800049
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom.

    They are of earth.

    The Holy Spirit is not of earth but of heaven.

    New body required.

     

    #800051
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    That is a part of a sentence you choose to take literally even though you are aware that some translate it the mortal body.

    Do you have any other passage that supports your choice.

    Here is one that testifies that time will be cut short in order that flesh will be saved.

    Matthew 24:22Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    Jesus was resurrected in a flesh and bone body which demonstrated that which shows that body was not the body that is the wheat or other grain that come forth.

    1 Corinthians 15:50 International Standard Version
    Brothers, this is what I mean: Mortal bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.

    That is three witnesses and there is more.

    #800053
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The salvation from death spoken of by Jesus is not the important second death.

    Sheol consumes their flesh and the foolish have no habitation but are naked. [ps 49.12-14]

    But a new house made in the heavens awaits those who are in Christ.[2 cor 5]

    #800054
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Interesting passage;

    Psalm 49:12-14American Standard Version (ASV)

    12 But man being in honor abideth not: He is like the beasts that perish.

    13 This their way is their folly: Yet after them men approve their sayings. Selah

    14 They are appointed as a flock for Sheol; Death shall be their shepherd; And the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; And their beauty shall be for Sheol to consume, That there be no habitation for it.

    Who are the upright and who are them in ” And the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning”?

    #800055
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Those in Christ are the upright.

    They arise in the first resurrection clad in new bodies.

    The first resurrection is the morning of the new day, but all will be raised, the rest 1000yrs later.

    Those appointed to life are greater than those who are naked souls and awaiting mercy or the second death according to their works towards Christ.

     

     

    #800071
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Psalm 49:12-14American Standard Version (ASV)

    12 But man being in honor abideth not: He is like the beasts that perish.

    13 This their way is their folly: Yet after them men approve their sayings. Selah

    14 They are appointed as a flock for Sheol; Death shall be their shepherd; And the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; And their beauty shall be for Sheol to consume, That there be no habitation for it.

    I agree that the upright are those in Christ and those not in Christ are the them but the subject of these verses is called humanity.

    Does that mean those in Christ are not what these verses call humanity?

    #800072
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    I do not see humanity written there.

    #800074
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi KW,

    Clearly it speaks of the differing views of how natural man and his peers judge, compared with the view of God.

    Written for the Jews who are the flock mentioned.

     

    #800198
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Actually the psalm is addressed to ALL PEOPLES, ALL INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD

    By Korah it is so alike to Ecclesiastes.

    Men accrue wealth, position and reputation and hope their dynasty will be forever but it is blindness and folly

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