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What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.

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  • June 17, 2015 at 8:27 am#799698
    carmel
    Participant

     

    The Hebrew word adam is translated to the English word man in Genesis 2:7 so it literally says “Then the LORD God formed adam from the dust of the ground…” .

    Kerwin,

    First regarding Adam:

    This is the Hebrew word for “man”. It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם (‘adam) meaning “to be red”, referring to the ruddy colour of human skin, or from Akkadian adamu meaning “to make”. According to Genesis in the Old Testament Adam was created from the earth by God (there is a word play on Hebrew אֲדָמָה (‘adamah) “earth”).

    As you can read the word DUST, does not exist!
    And the actual Earth does not contain just DUST!

    More to come

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

     

     

     

    June 17, 2015 at 8:31 am#799699
    carmel
    Participant

    He does not use logical reasoning to reach that claim as it does not follow from anything else he says but rather it comes from himself.

     

    Kerwin,

    You specifically mentioned ONLY YOUR OWN PERSONAL CORRUPTED STATEMENT OF A MERE particular piece of scripture related to THE CREATION OF MAN,
    You did this to justify yourself with, and claim that YOU ARE RIGHT??????

    Now I tell you straight with what you produced, you completely NOT only eradicated the TRUTH, but made a mess of the WRITTEN TRUTH!

    I know it’s a headache but it is worth it since you are KEEN OF THE TRUTH.

    So Hereunder is all the paragraph related to the creation of MAN and its definition revealed to me, A MERE DUST IN THE FLESH by the Holy Spirit. WITHIN MY SOUL, MAN IN GOD’S OWN TERM

    KJV.
    Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were CREATED,

    in the day that the Lord God

    MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH:

    So FIRST heaven and earth were Made, and then THE LORD GOD CREATED THEM again,

    all in the same day!!!!!!!! There is more to reveal here! 

    Also notice THE LORD GOD, made them, not God, like in ALL of Genesis 1, a reference to “THE WORD” since all was MADE by Him, what was MADE, the full power of the Holy Trinity all in the Son, the mediator spirit, the son of man to be, Jesus’ flesh body to be!

    Jesus, “THE WORD”, himself made a reference to His body when he said:

    Matthew 11:11 ……yet HE THAT IS THE LESSER in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

    HE THAT IS THE LESSER, a clear reference to just the FLESH BODY of Jesus! “THE WORD”
    Reflect: Jesus’ flesh body, IS THE LESSER IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD
    CAN YOU DISCERN THIS ?: NEVER MIND:

    JESUS, NOT JESUS CHRIST, OK?????”THE WORD” NOT THE WORD MADE FLESH, OK???? THE SON OF MAN, WHICH IS STILL IN THE ENTIRE CREATION, IN US! IS THE ENTIRE CURRENT PHYSICAL TANGIBLE CREATION !!!!OK?????

    THAT’S WHY JESUS CALLED IT

    THE LESSER

    With this title to HIS FLESH SUBSTANCE ONLY, He also in the same instant demonstrated the HOLY TRINITY:

    THE SON of man,         leaving out:
    THE HOLY SPIRIT,   his soul and
    HIS FATHER   within!

    ALSO CONFIRMED THAT He himself on his own, is also a TRINITY, A TRIUNE SPIRIT, since He is sustaining the entire creation! DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE IS THE ONLY

    MEDIATOR SPIRIT, BETWEEN THE MORTAL, DUSTY, SINFUL, STINKY, AND IN CONTINUOUS CORROSION, HUMAN FLESH BODY, AND

    THE HOLY SPIRIT! IN FACT HE IS THE ABODE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!!!

    THERE’S MORE MYSTERIES THAT WILL SHOCK YOU IN THIS REGARD TO REVEAL TO YOU, BUT WE LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW!!!!OTHERWISE…………

    MORE TO COME

    Peace and love ion Jesus

    Charles

    June 17, 2015 at 8:35 am#799700
    NickHassan
    Participant

     

    Hi C,

    So Hereunder is all the paragraph related to the creation of MAN and its definition revealed to me, A MERE DUST IN THE FLESH by the Holy Spirit. WITHIN MY SOUL, MAN IN GOD’S OWN TERM

     

    So you get personal revelations?

    Gnostic ones?

    June 17, 2015 at 8:38 am#799702
    carmel
    Participant

     

     

    He does not use logical reasoning to reach that claim as it does not follow from anything else he says but rather it comes from himself.

    Kerwin,

     

    LOGICAL REASONING SAYS:

     

    God creates THROUGH HIS WORD, AND OUT OF NOTHING!

    But the fact that HE first MADE heaven and earth it is also logically reasoned that He used other SOURCE, apart Himself!

    So we HAVE NO DOUBT, as I said, that the other source was “!THE WORD.”

    SO, the fact that they were MADE, it is a reference to the MATERIAL, PHYSICAL and TANGIBLE process! NOT SPIRITUAL!

    So the heaven and earth statement,  is not a reference to heaven and earth as such, SINCE BOTH OF THEM WERE FIRST MADE, AND THEN CREATED.

    The fact that in Genesis 1:1 both of them were already created as such!!!!

    So without a doubt! This reference is to our WORLD ITSELF JUST NEWLY established AFTER THE REBEL, between God’s spirits,  :

    ALL IN “THE WORD” depicted AS HEAVEN !
    And
    LUCIFER’S DEAD SPIRITS! Matter/flesh to be, depicted AS EARTH!

    Whom unaware of it, they only functioned also by “THE WORD” since all BY Him,……. hidden within them as their life source!

    Now reflect:

    God wrote scriptures in relation to the actual atmosphere, and circumstances existed that moment in time between “THE WORD” and HIS ENEMIES. Symbolized as heaven and earth, or more accurate JESUS, and LUCIFER or more according to

    1 John 5:6 This is he that came by WATER and BLOOD, Jesus Christ: ……..

    WATER a reference to work of “THE WORD” related to souls, through the HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’SOUL TO BE!!!!

    and BLOOD a reference to the work of “THE WORD” related to the flesh, JESUS’BODY TO BE!!!!

    ONE SOWS, AND ONE REAPS!

     

    5And every plant of the field before it spring up in the earth, and every herb of the ground before it grew: for the Lord God had not rained upon the earth; and there was not a man to till the earth.

    First to notice , and I leave it to you to reflect upon, IS:

    every PLANT of the FIELD before it spring up in the EARTH:

    A REFERENCE TO THE WORK OF THE TRINITY IN “THE WORD” IN THE EVOLUTION PROCESS, HIDDEN IN LUCIFER’S TRINITY SPIRITS SUBSTANCE IN CREATION.

    and every HERB of the GROUND before it grew:

    A REFERENCE TO THE WORK OF THE TRINITY IN “THE WORD” IN THE EVOLUTION PROCESS OF THE HEAVENLY SPIRITUAL SUBSTANCE IN CREATION!

    6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

    Now, AS YOU WELL SAID THROUGH LOGICAL REASONING,

    What the above VERSE clearly declares regarding the ELEMENT from which
    THE LORD GOD, FORMED MAN OF ?

    DEFINITELY NOT DUST, IT IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED!

    The only significant element which is mentioned is MIST and watered the whole surface, SO THE FACT THAT EARTH WAS IN FACT A BALL OF DUST, IT NEVER REMAINED SO!
    Now, HOW COULD HAVE GOD FORMED MAN OUT OF DUST????

    If He wanted to create HIM, out of dust He would have done so when earth was a ball of LIFELESS dust, not WAITED FOR THE MIST TILL IT WENT UP and soaked the entire surface!
    That’s what I call not JUST logical reasoning, but

     

     

    PURE SUPER LOGICAL REASONING, MR. KERWIN!!!!!!!

     

    Adam is created from the earth and then God breathes the breath of life into his nostrils so that he becomes a living soul.

    NO KERWIN SCRIPTURALLY, ADAM, WAS NOT CREATED YET AT THAT STAGE.

    ONLY FORMED!

    more to come!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 17, 2015 at 8:51 am#799707
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Adam is created from the earth and then God breathes the breath of life into his nostrils so that he becomes a living soul.

    Kerwin,

    The fact that Adam was formed OUT OF MUD, is very important TO BE AWARE OF, so in this way we would be aware that THE MAN’S SUBSTANCE was not IN ACTUAL FACT of the same rational physical evolution process.DEPICTED AS MERE DUST. THE FACT THAT THE WORLD WAS A BALL OF DUST, AND  NOT A SINGLE CREATURE  IN EXISTENCE YET! SO WE ARE NOT THE ORIGIN OF MONKEYS!

    So SINCE mist went up, that dusty substance was transformed into a NEW COMPLETE ELEMENT,
    In the same way, like when we mix FLOUR and WATER an we would achieve PASTRY!

    I agree that the origin of man is OF DUST, but once MIST went up, it’s no longer DUST.
    SO GOD FORMED ADAM from a newly genuine earthly lifeless element mixture between MIST spirit, and

    DUST, matter, flesh to be.

    BOTH DEAD obvious TWO from the trinity substance of Lucifer! The other missing spirit became Satana!

    Now the Lord God after He formed Adam, mercifully, breathed His spirit, and that EX DEAD MUD substance,

    OR MORE SPECIFIC, EX TWO OF LUCIFER’S TRIUNE SPIRITS, one represented:
    The SPIRIT, and one represented:
    The FLESH , received LIFE from THE LORD, and was transformed COMPLETELY into a living soul!

    SO ACTUALLY, IN THIS STAGE  THAT LORD GOD CREATED ADAM IN A NEW SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY, totally GOD’S PROPERTY,

    THE REAL MAN IN THE IMAGE OF GOD!

    THE ACTUAL TRUE MAN IN GOD’S OWN TERM!

    WITHOUT ANY TRACE OF BLOOD!
    NO NEED OF IT SINCE ALL SPIRITUAL!

    Now Kerwin, IN THIS STATE WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADAM DUST, SINCE GOD TRANSFORMED HIM TWICE!
    FIRST WHEN HE ESTABLISHED THE MUD, AND CONFIRMED THAT MAN IS NOT THE ORIGIN OF MONKEYS,
    THEN TRANSFORMED HIM AGAIN WHEN HE GAVE ADAM THE SOUL!
    Now read again your mess WITH EVERY RESPECT!

    Adam is created from the earth …………..so it literally says “Then the LORD God formed adam from the dust of the ground…

    HAPPY KERWIN???

    MORE TO COME

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 17, 2015 at 8:51 am#799708
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    PURE SUPER LOGICAL REASONING, MR. KERWIN!!!!!!!

     

    More carnal boasting?

    June 17, 2015 at 8:54 am#799710
    carmel
    Participant

     

     

    He also ignores thee fact that upon death the human body returns to dust

    NO KERWIN ,

    Would you really believe that I IGNORED THAT FACT!

    I say to you Kerwin, what Jesus Said to Philip:

    Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me, KERWIN??????

    Don’t tell me that at your age,

    You are still not aware that Adam sinned?
    You are still not aware that once Adam sinned, he became shameful of his new Satanic flesh and blood contained body?
    You are still not aware that Lord God said to Adam that he would die if he eats of the tree?
    Even if he remain alive in his flesh body?

    If the origin of Adam was dust, and not withstanding the fact that God transformed Him twice, does not stand to LOGICAL REASON, that once He sinned he lost all what
    GOD TRANSFORMED HIM IN, and returned in what was his original spirit Lucifer is?

    DUST?

    So by now Kerwin you are aware that the statement :

    YOU ARE DUST is not directed to the LIVING SOUL, since once Adam ate the fruit he died, and God definitely won’t speak to

    A DEAD ENTITY!!! NO?

    IT WAS DIRECTED TO SATANA, AND HIS NEWLY CORRUPTED FILTHY OF THE FILTHIEST DEAD EMBODIMENT, OF FLESH AND BLOOD!

    NOT TO MAN IN THE IMAGE OF GOD

    BUT TO MAN IN THE IMAGE OF god of the filthy world! SATANA!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 17, 2015 at 9:07 am#799714
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    You are still not aware that once Adam sinned, he became shameful of his new Satanic flesh and blood contained body?

     

    Adding to scripture?

    June 17, 2015 at 9:38 am#799719
    kerwin
    Participant

    Charles,

    LOGICAL REASONING SAYS:

    God creates THROUGH HIS WORD, AND OUT OF NOTHING!

    This is a statement though not a logical argument.

    Scripture only states God created the heavens and the earth and since those two include all that is physical it follows that he created them out of nothing. That is a logical argument. It assumes that God did not have a body to create anything out of and that things like energy and even the smallest components of this universe “physical” creations according to biblical definitions.

    Traditionally those assumptions are held to be sound but I am not if Scripture voices whether all of them are sound or unsound.

    I can argue that since God created the heavens and earth by his word out of nothing it follows he creates through the very word that comes out of his mouth and needs nothing else to create.

    He created man out of the dirt of the ground and so he also creates out of something.

    I have no idea where you obtained the idea he need another source.

    June 17, 2015 at 9:52 am#799720
    kerwin
    Participant

    Charles,

    You are still not aware that once Adam sinned, he became shameful of his new Satanic flesh and blood contained body?

    This is a statement with no logical argument to support it.

    According to Scripture there is evidence humanity was ashamed of their nakedness after they ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil. It does not tell us why they became ashamed and I can testify that there are many human beings that are not ashamed of going naked before other human beings in this current age. There is no evidence they has a body that was not composed of flesh, bone, and blood before they fell from grace. Scripture implies that humanity was naked before they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and just did not realize it.

    As Nick points out there is no support for the above statement in Scripture.

    June 17, 2015 at 12:50 pm#799738
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Keep going Charles. You will have your own religion before long.

    June 19, 2015 at 11:22 am#799899
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    If we do not have the SPIRIT OF CHRIST we are none of his[rom8]

    The SPIRIT OF THE SON should be crying to the Father from within us[gal4]

    We do not know what to pray about so that HOLY SPIRIT helps us pray to God.[rom 8]

    June 19, 2015 at 5:38 pm#799928
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth. But we need to respond to that truth in accordance with God’s will.

    The Spirit can guide a man, but the man still needs to comply.

    June 20, 2015 at 7:29 am#799946
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Ez 47,5

    “Again he measured a thousand;and it was a river that I could not ford; for the water had risen, enough water to swim in, a river that could not be forded,,,”

     

    The Spirit is the water.

    When we can ford it we are in control.

    We are to be led by the Spirit so that the Spirit is in control

     

    June 20, 2015 at 11:38 am#799950
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Just like Jesus who said, “not my will but yours”.

    When we know the will of God, we either obey it or not.

    June 21, 2015 at 7:15 am#799971
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Yes.

    The Spirit of the Son is the Servant Spirit.

    And the vessel of Jesus was fully in submission to God

    June 22, 2015 at 2:40 am#799997
    carmel
    Participant

     

    You are still not aware that once Adam sinned, he became shameful of his new Satanic flesh and blood contained body?
    This is a statement with no logical argument to support it.

     

    Kerwin,

    FIRST LOGICAL ARGUMENT:

    ALL GOD’S WORK IS BOTH ETERNAL,AND SPIRITUAL, SO LIKEWISE, ADAM WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, BODY WISE, AND LIKENESS! FLESH WISE, ALL SPIRITUAL!!!

    SECOND LOGICAL ARGUMENT:

    ADAM SINNED AND DIED SPIRITUALLY, LOST ALL GOD’S GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS, INCLUDING THE SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY!

    THIRD LOGICAL ARGUMENT:

    ONCE HE LOST GOD’S GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS,HE LOST THE RIGHT TO BE GOD’S ABODE, AND HIS EVENTUAL  DESTINATION HEAVEN, SO GOD FURNISHED ADAM WITH THE GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS, RELATED TO WHAT HE OPTED TO LIVE IN/WITH AND BE THE ABODE OF,

    CURSED IN FLESH AND BLOOD, DEAD, SINFUL, AND THE ABODE OF THEIR PROPRIETOR! SATANA! AND HIS EVENTUAL DESTINATION HELL!

    Leviticus 17:11 Because the life of the flesh is in the blood:

    AND I HAVE GIVEN IT TO YOU, THAT YOU MAY MAKE ATONEMENT WITH IT UPON THE ALTAR FOR YOUR SOULS

    and the blood may be for an expiation of the soul.

     

    FOURTH LOGICAL ARGUMENT:

    THE BLOOD WAS GIVEN AFTER ADAM SINNED, NOT BEFORE!!!

    SINCE IT WAS GIVEN FOR ATONEMENT, AND EXPIATION OF THE SINFUL SATANIC POSSESSED SOUL!

    FOURTH LOGICAL ARGUMENT:

     

    And they were both naked:

    TO WIT, Adam and his wife: and were not ashamed.

    NAKED OF THE PHYSICAL FLESH AND BLOOD BODY!

    THEY HAD ONLY THE SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY, AND SENSES, something which were never ashamed of, nothing related to sin!

    like  PHYSICAL SENSES, SINCE THEY WERE

    IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD!

    EVE THROUGH HER DEEDS INTRODUCED THE PHYSICAL SENSES,SINCE SHE REPRESENTED THE FLESH SUBSTANCE, THE FACT THAT SATAN HAD ONLY THE RIGHT TO SEDUCE HER, THE FACT THAT ADAM REJECTED HER FROM WITHIN HIM!

    GOD CREATED ADAM ON HIS OWN, AND SELF RELIANCE THROUGHOUT, male and female, on his own he could have been reproductive!!!

    LIKE GOD

    THE FACT THAT GOD GAVE HIM THE ABSOLUTE RULE OVER THE GARDEN OF GOD!

     

    ALSO TO BE AWARE OF, THAT SINCE WE LIVE IN THE PHYSICAL SENSES,

    IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT, AND DISCERN THE SPIRITUAL SENSES!

    WE ARE NAKED

    TO WIT

    IN THE SPIRITUAL SENSES!!! CONFIRMED BY JESUS!

    And when he was alone, the twelve that were with him asked him the parable. 11And he said to them: To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but to them that are without, all things are done in parables:

    12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand: lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 22, 2015 at 3:04 am#799999
    carmel
    Participant

     

    It does not tell us why they became ashamed and I can testify that there are many human beings that are not ashamed of going naked before other human beings in this current age.

    Kerwin,

    I WONDER!!!!!!

    WHAT YOUR REACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN, IF YOU HAPPENED TO SEE JUST YOUR BODY !!!!!! SINCE MIRROR WAS NOT AVAILABLE, FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME IN THE SAME PROCESS LIKE  ADAM HAD ?

    BY THE WAY:

    SIX THOUSAND YEARS AGO????????????

    CAN YOU EXPLAIN SO WE WOULD JUSTIFY YOUR SUPER LOGICAL ARGUMENT????

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    June 22, 2015 at 5:55 am#800000
    kerwin
    Participant

    Charles,

    FIRST LOGICAL ARGUMENT:

    ALL GOD’S WORK IS BOTH ETERNAL,AND SPIRITUAL, SO LIKEWISE, ADAM WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, BODY WISE, AND LIKENESS! FLESH WISE, ALL SPIRITUAL!!!

    There is a physical body that is eternal as it is led by the Spirit of God.

    June 22, 2015 at 6:41 am#800002
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Of course God is spirit.

    God does not have a body.

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