What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #798968
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Massacred himself??

    Suicide?

    #798981
    kerwin
    Participant

    Charles,

    DID JESUS’FLESH BODY CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING FOR OUR SALVATION, WHEN HE MASSACRED IT, AND POURED ALL HIS ENTIRE BLOOD ON EARTH?

    It died and was resurrected. Without those contributions there would be no new covenant.

    #798983
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi C,

    Is the dictionary more helpful to you than scripture?

    I have no idea why he even quoted it as he did not use the quote to make a point.

    #798993
    carmel
    Participant

     

    It died and was resurrected. Without those contributions there would be no new covenant.

    Kerwin,and Nick

    DO YOU THINK I DIDN’T KNOW THAT?

    READ WHAT NICK SAID:

    The declarations Jesus made about himself were of the Spirit within him.

    The flesh contributes nothing.

    SO THE FACT THAT I POSTED THOSE DEFINITIONS REGARDING THE WORD:

    CONTRIBUTE SIMPLY TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU NICK,

    FIRST:

    THAT JESUS’ FLESH BODY DID CONTRIBUTE!

    SECOND:

    THE WORD CONTRIBUTE IS NOT USED IN SCRIPTURE IN THE CONTEXT REGARDING JESUS DECLARATION OF HIS SPIRIT, AND ALSO IN RELATION TO THE CONCEPT OF THE FLESH!

    SO I ASKED NICK,TO PRODUCE SCRIPTURE IN ORDER TO VERIFY THE TRUTH!

    NOT SIMPLY STATES HIS OWN TWISTED WORDS,WITHOUT HE HIMSELF,

    WITH EVERY RESPECT TO HIS INTELLIGENCE,

    DOESN’T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL DEFINITION, AND MESSAGE IS !

    THE FACT THAT HE PURPOSELY NEVER PRODUCED THE SCRIPTURES

    TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF:

    OK  KERWIN and NICK

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

     

     

    #798995
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    So as usual you must be shown to be correct even if scripture must be denied?

    #799175
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    So what is your confession regarding Jesus?

    Was Peter right in mt 16?

    #799267
    carmel
    Participant

     

    So as usual you must be shown to be correct even if scripture must be denied?

    Nick,

    WITH EVERY RESPECT:

    YOUR NAME SUITS YOU: YOU ARE A NICK!

    UNLESS YOU STOP THIS BULLYING!!!!!!!

    AND PRODUCE MATERIAL IN RELATION TO YOUR STATEMENT

    NO ONE KNOWS ON HEAVENNET WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

    OK NICK

    no antagonism BUT SIMPLY JUSTICE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE TRUTH!

     

    AND THE TRUTH IS

    JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #799268
    carmel
    Participant

     

    So what is your confession regarding Jesus?

    Was Peter right in mt 16?

    Nick,

    Produce the related scripture and DEFINE FIRST!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #799269
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Scripture tells us Who the only true God is and that is the Father.

    And that God was in Christ as His Spirit.

    Is that what you mean?

    #799270
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Surely you do not need to do more research to give a confession about Jesus?

    #799297
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Matthew 2:4
    And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

    So he was Christ at Birth

    Bod,

    IN THE SAME WAY AS PRESIDENT BUSH WAS WHEN HE WAS BORN!

    #799358
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I wonder how much confusion comes from us being in the dimension of time and hearing from a God who is not subject to time but is eternal.

    A thousand years is as one day and one day like a thousand years and He calls into being things that were not.

    #799359
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus did not exist till he was conceived so what does coming in the flesh mean then?

    In 1 Jn 4 it says

    ” Every spirit that confesses that JESUS CHRIST has come in the flesh is from God”

    That is my confession.

    We no longer speak of Jesus CHRIST according to the FLESH – but you seem to be stuck in that mode

    You have said that Jesus is the flesh and Christ is the Spirit and no longer do we talk of the flesh but the spirit.

    “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

    Did the flesh say this?

    #799367
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    The Jews believed the Messiah was be born so they asked where he was to be born. It does not mean he is anointed yet as it is the fulfillment of prophecy.

    #799368
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Where did I say that?

    I did not.

     

    Jesus is the Christ, the Word made flesh.

    The Son of man is not just flesh as I have tried to show you several times.

    Like us he is a SOUL

    Now in a heavernly body and  enlivened by the LIVING SPIRIT.

    #799372
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Perhaps some of the apostles were aware of the man from Nazareth being confused with the anointed man after the Jordan, the Word made flesh.

    John and Paul in particular made special efforts with Paul almost always referring to him as the Christ, or Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ.

     

    But those who knew the Word should not need really to be constantly reminded about this and the references in Hebrews and Revelation often just say Jesus.

     

     

    #799422
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    REMEMBER MAN THAT THOU ART DUST AND UNTO DUST THOU SHALT RETURN

     

    Flesh is one of the divine definitions of a man.

    #799425
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Scripture tells us Who the only true God is and that is the Father.

    Nick,

    WHAT IS IT which makes you SO uncomfortable THAT SINCE YOU ARE SO SURE OF THE ABOVE STATEMENT YOU NEVER PRODUCED SCRIPTURE WHICH SAYS:

    HOW, WHERE, AND EXPLAIN WHY SCRIPTURE DECLARES THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #799426
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    What is your problem?

    Why do you prefer your own ideas to scripture?

     

    Following yourself leads nowhere.

    #799429
    carmel
    Participant

     

    REMEMBER MAN THAT THOU ART DUST AND UNTO DUST THOU SHALT RETURN

    NICK,

    The above statement is not directed to the man ADAM !

    Scripture declared that ADAM BECAME A LIVING SOUL!

    IT IS DIRECTED TO SATANA, AND HIS GENUINE RELATED SUBSTANCE OF FLESH AND BLOOD,SUPPLIED BY GOD, WHO HAD JUST ENTERED INTO ADAM,THROUGH SIN,  AND OWNED TEMPORARY, FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME

    THE FIRST EVER LIVING SOUL!

     

    FOR GOD,  ONLY THE SOUL IS IN ACTUAL FACT THE MAN,AND THE SOUL WOULD NEVER BE DUST, BUT REMAIN SPIRIT!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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