A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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August 18, 2022 at 12:03 am#933084
Berean
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Hi Mike,
You: “In the Bible, the word “earth” refers only to the dry land portion of our world on which humans live. It never refers to the whole world “land AND sea” – but only to the dry part of the ground.”
I’m not convinced Mike.
DON’T FORGET “THE CONTEXT” of the biblical passage.
And so depending on the context,
it can ALSO mean “the inhabitants of the earth”
SEE” 👉 Gen.11
[1] And all the earth was of one tongue and one word.
God bless
August 18, 2022 at 12:52 am#933085
Proclaimer
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Yes, they inhabit land. When they are on the sea, they are on a voyage. That said, it may be possible that earth can mean the planet in the bible, but you need to provide evidence of that.
God called the dry land “earth,” and the gathering of waters He called “seas.”
Earth was first used as the name of the sphere of the Earth in the early fifteenth century according to Wikipedia for what that is worth.
August 18, 2022 at 1:56 am#933087
GeneBalthrop
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Mike…….tell that to the international space station, as it goes around our earth every day, 24/7. Do you actuall think they are seening a “flat” earth. As they are going around it, taking pictures for anyone to see anytime they want. What part of your mind can’t comperhend it? Anyone who has any doubt the earth is not a sphere can at anytime observe what ISS is seeing. That alone should remove all doubt about the earth being A SPHERE OR NOT, that is, in any “nornal” persons mind?
IT’S AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE TO SEE , “RIGHT NOW”, ON ANY COMPUTTER OR TABLET, 24 HOURS A DAY, Every day, proof is right before your very own eyes, to see for yourself.
Peace and love to you and yours Mike………..gene
August 18, 2022 at 3:30 am#933088
Berean
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Proclaimer
It was just to say that “IN THE BIBLE the word ‘EARTH’ can mean anything other than the dry, habitable part of the earth. Genesis 11:1 is proof of that. It is true that it is not the most common use.And so, it cannot be said, without making the text lie, that the word “EARTH IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY RESERVED TO MEAN THE EARTH ELEMENT OF EARTH.🌻
August 18, 2022 at 3:31 am#933089
Berean
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Error
And so, it cannot be said, without making the text lie, that the word “EARTH IS EXCLUSIVELY RESERVED TO MEAN THE EARTH ELEMENT OF EARTH.
August 18, 2022 at 3:58 am#933090
Berean
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EXODUS 9
[29] And Moses said unto him, As soon as I am gone out of the city, I will spread abroad my hands unto the LORD; and the thunder shall cease, neither shall there be any more hail; that thou mayest know how that THE EARTH is the LORD’s.
This text can very well be interpreted “by WHOLE EARTH” (Sky, earth and sea….) For me, I understand it like that.
I don’t make it a question of SALVATION.
August 18, 2022 at 4:46 am#933091
Danny Dabbs
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@mikeboll64 @t8
Hi Mike, Proclaimer and all others,
I’m now convinced that our earth is NOT a globe!
I will share with you the argument that got
me finally to see the truth.
It’s from the article “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball”
by Eric Dubay.
113) The idea that people are standing, ships are sailing and planes are flying upside down on certain parts of Earth while others tilted at 90 degrees and all other impossible angles is complete absurdity. The idea that a man digging a hole straight down could eventually reach sky on the other side is ludicrous. Common sense tells every free-thinking person correctly that there truly is an “up” and “down” in nature, unlike the “everything is relative” rhetoric of the Newtonian/Einsteinian paradigm.
I wonder why I didn’t see this.
…there truly is an “up” and “down” in nature…!!!
God bless you all.
August 18, 2022 at 5:25 am#933092
Berean
Participant
To all
Those who will have prepared to meet the Lord JEDUS IN THE AIR, TO BE WITH HIM FOREVER (in heaven for 1000 years, then on the recreated EARTH) WILL SEE IF THE EARTH IS FLAT OR ROUND, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE… .? FOR THEY WILL GO TO HEAVEN TOWARDS THE FATHER WITH JESUS, AND THEY WILL SEE THE EARTH (SEEN FROM ABOVE)
I LONG FOR THIS DAY, TO BE WITH JESUS FOREVER ON A LAND WHERE JUSTICE Dwells.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Amen!
August 18, 2022 at 8:42 am#933093
Proclaimer
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Congratulations Mike, you have a disciple. An interesting development that will help when I write my essay on the flat earth. I’ll have to be honest in my assessment and say that FEers are not the sharpest tools in the shed. And I can give some real reasons why they join this cult. I may mention Mr Dabbs reason for the conversion to demonstrate how a cult works and how they prey on the vulnerable. This has been very interesting to watch first hand.
August 18, 2022 at 7:31 pm#933095
Proclaimer
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This is Ranty.
Ranty was a flat earther and when you go flat you never go back, they say.
But Ranty did his own research and found out that the earth isn’t flat.
Ranty decided to stop believing the FE lies.
Ranty is smart.
Be like Ranty.
August 19, 2022 at 1:28 am#933096
Proclaimer
Participant
This self-proclaimed high IQ genius is an expert apparently
But saying high IQ and flat earth in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
August 19, 2022 at 1:37 am#933097
Proclaimer
Participant
Eric Dubay Debunked
Enjoy.

August 19, 2022 at 4:44 am#933098
Danny Dabbs
Participant
@t8
I’m not Mike’s disciple.
Anyway, you didn’t refute the argument.
August 19, 2022 at 8:51 am#933099
Proclaimer
Participant
Which argument?
August 19, 2022 at 9:37 am#933100
mikeboll64
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Proclaimer: Geologists study rocks, minerals, landforms, climates and biota, including the processes that affect them. It’s not just rocks Mike. Some of these processes rely on the fact that the earth is a globe.
Name one, please. Thanks.
August 19, 2022 at 9:46 am#933101
Proclaimer
Participant
Plate tectonics.
August 19, 2022 at 9:49 am#933102
Proclaimer
Participant
Water flying off the earth argument debunked again
Here is a graphic showing how much water is on planet earth. It is not as flat earthers imagine where the deep sea trenches a like big holes filled with water.
In truth, the water layer over the earth we call oceans may seem deep, but it is a thin film. Even less water than a soaked tennis ball.
The mistake flat earthers make is that they picture an earth like a tennis ball with deep holes and trenches in it. They do this because they do not comprehend how big the earth is. The lack of scale is one of their biggest problems and it leads to many a misunderstanding. The Marianas Trench has a maximum known depth of 10,984 metres. But the diameter of earth is a whopping 12,742 kilometres. So at least a thousand time bigger, but less so overall, as the average depth of the world’s oceans 3700 metres.
That said, a tennis ball or a planet travelling one spin every 24 hours will still project water outward, albeit not flying off like FE imagine. So there is a force there. But gravity more than matches that force and makes things fall toward the centre of the mass which in this case is the centre of the earth. But the mass of the tennis ball is tiny, so it will more susceptible to flinging water outward than our planet.. So if the tennis ball’s water is not flying off as you imagine, then less so a giant ball like a planet.
Further, think of gravity and how it makes things fall. Now think of a plane flying. How is this possible? The plane is obeying another law called aerodynamics. So the stronger law supersedes the other. Another example is law of gravity which makes the apple fall to the ground. But it stops immediately when it hits the ground because of the law of electromagnetism, a force that is way stronger.
Now back to earth. Water doesn’t fly off because the planet is not spinning wildly like FErs seem to demonstrate. And the influence of gravity easily supersedes the weak outward force caused by one spin every 24 hours.
Remember this, God is the law giver. These laws are evidence of God or at least a mind. Laws come an intelligent conscious mind. They are not tangible created objects.
DEBUNK STATUS: Debunked.
DEBUNK DIFFICULTY: Medium.
August 19, 2022 at 10:06 am#933103
mikeboll64
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Carmel: Mike,
HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT GOD ONLY SAID SO, AND NEVER SAW THE EARTH?
ONLY MOSES WROTE/SAID SO, NOT GOD! NO?
Did Moses make up the creation account on his own, Carmel? Or was he in direct communication with the Creator and it was the Creator that told Moses about these events that occurred before Moses even existed?
Here’s where my argument comes from: When God said let dry land appear, God named that dry land “earth”. There is a different Hebrew word for “dry land” and “earth”. God specifically named the dry land part of our world “earth”.
So if darkness was over the great deep and God’s Holy Spirit was hovering over the face of the waters… where was the “dry land” that God eventually named “earth”?
It was non-existent at that point, since there was nothing but the waters from which the earth would be formed. (2 Pet 3:5)
The word often translated as “formless” also means “nothingness” according to Strong, and is actually translated as “nothing” in Isaiah 49:4. The word often translated as “void” also means “emptiness”, and is translated as that in Isaiah 34:11.
Gen 1:2… Now the earth was NOTHINGNESS and EMPTINESS, and darkness was over the surface of the deep…
All there was at that time was “the deep”, ie: the waters from which the earth would be formed.
What say you?

August 19, 2022 at 10:26 am#933104
mikeboll64
Blocked
Danny: I wonder why I didn’t see this.
…there truly is an “up” and “down” in nature…!!!
Keep reading and watching vids. There is SO MUCH stuff that simply couldn’t be if we lived on a spinning ball. My biggest and easiest proof is simply that we see too far. If we lived on the ball they tell us we do, the ground MUST fall away from you at the rate of 8 inches per mile squared.
That means that a person one mile away from you will have 8 inches of his legs missing – because they are blocked from your view by the curvature of the earth. At two miles away, 32 inches will be missing, and at three miles away, 6 feet of that person will be hidden behind the curve of the earth.
The formula for two miles would be 2 squared, which is 4… times 8 inches = 32
For three miles, it’s 3 squared, which is 9… times 8 inches = 72″/6′
For four miles, it’s 4 squared, which is 16… times 8 inches = 128’/10.6′
And so on and so on… up to about 500 miles.
So let’s say you’re looking across 55 miles of Lake Michigan to Chicago…
That’s 55 squared, which is 3025… times 8 inches = 24,200. That is 2016 feet. And that means the city of Chicago is 2016 feet behind the curve from your view. The tallest building in Chicago is 1800 feet, so the very tip of the tallest building should still be 200 feet behind the earth’s curve and out of your view. So then what’s this?
Yes, the bottoms of the buildings are disappearing into the haze – which also happens to cars on the highway on a hot day. Most of us have seen the “water” on the road in the distance, and the bottom of distant cars disappearing into it.
But the point is that majority of those buildings can be seen from 55 miles away – when the tallest point of the tallest one should be more than 200 behind the curve!
There is so much more even to this point, Danny. We’ll keep talking as you keep searching. 👍🙂🙏
August 19, 2022 at 11:05 am#933105
mikeboll64
Blocked
Gene: Mike…….tell that to the international space station, as it goes around our earth every day, 24/7…
IT’S AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE TO SEE , “RIGHT NOW”, ON ANY COMPUTTER OR TABLET, 24 HOURS A DAY, Every day, proof is right before your very own eyes, to see for yourself.
Gene, I’m going to ask you a very serious question…
Are you REALLY making the argument, “I saw it on TV, therefore it MUST be real!” ?
You’ve got to be kidding me. I once saw Sandra Bullock on TV, floating through space after the ISS blew up. Does that mean she was REALLY floating in space, Gene?
Now, another serious question…
Gene, is it even REMOTELY POSSIBLE that the ISS images you believe are real are actually faked? Yes or No?
And finally, here’s a video Proclaimer linked last week as “proof” we live on a ball. It is footage from 20 miles high – taken with a GoPro camera that has a very wide angle lens. Do you notice anything familiar about this footage, Gene?
It looks EXACTLY like the footage you see from the ISS – doesn’t it? In fact, if somebody TOLD YOU that the screenshot you’re looking at WAS a photo from the ISS – you would just blindly believe it was. After all, how could YOU tell the difference?
Gene, if you want to debunk flat earth, you’re going to have to do a LOT better than, “I saw it on TV!”
Might I suggest you begin with this video I made quite a while ago? I’d have you watch it on YouTube, but they deleted it… TWICE. YouTube doesn’t like flat earth videos that get a lot of attention…
I’m surprised that lowest one with almost 7000 views is still up. Anyway, I just re-uploaded it to Vimeo. It’s only a minute and a half, Gene, and deals with precisely what we are discussing right now. Invest 90 seconds of your life, and let me know if I made a good observation or not…
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