A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #930662
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Proclaimer: Hi Mike.

    Since you have created a new topic of debate to replace this one, should I merge this into the Conspiracy Theory topic. What do you think? Actually, the Flat earth topic would be a better option. I may do that. but feel free to put your point of view forward.

    Do what you want.  I don’t post in the Flat Earth thread anymore because of the charade you made of what began as a great thread where decent people were sharing information respectably.  Now it’s just a place where you post an occasional YouTube video about things you don’t even understand and say, “Ha ha, I win!” – but never want to pick out any one thing in the video and discuss it in your own words.

    #930663
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Incorrect Mike.

    You posted in that thread in the last week or so because I have moved the conversation over there.

    #930727
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Incorrect Mike.

    I have posted arguments from my own words that disprove the flat earth and prove the globe. Posting videos from others will never negate that. I do both. These videos are just the final nails in the coffin.

    Mike, if you cared about the truth, then you would at least disprove the claims made in these videos. But you are obviously happy to live the delusion. Personally, I would totally rethink my position if I were a flat earther and watched any one of those videos. Because the truth matters to me. I know that no lie is of God and God is more important to me than any personal view I might hold. And these videos offer irrefutable proof that the earth is not flat.

    #930728
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @gadam

    Hi Proclaimer, thanks for your patience in replying my post. Yes each one of us is having some personal experiences in spirituality similar to what you had experienced regarding the so called heaven and hell. In fact those are all purely based on personal understanding of the spirituality and religious environment in our lives. But they can not be proved in the public debates as they are individual in nature. I too had number of spiritual experiences in my Christian life since my school days like healing of the sick and casting the evil spirits but sadly I can not prove them in the public.

    Absolutely correct gadam.

    Our experiences are not proof or scientific proof for others. They are personal proofs and that is what faith is. If one does not believe, then they need to get faith which includes personal proof.

    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    The search for God and truth is personal. Once you have experience, you then have a testimony.

    #930736
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer. …..I agree with you and Adam, true Faith comes from the proof given by personal experiences,  “evidence” that God the Father gives you yourself personally.   Those who have not “proven” the existence of a real God, have “suppositions”,  told to them by others, which may be true or may not be.  True Faith is produced by personal experiences with the Father,  yourself.  That why it says “have you Faith?, have it unto yourself”, and again “God gives unto all a “measure” of Faith”,  some more then others. The Father knows how much he has given to each of us,  each of us will be judged by how much we have been given and held on to. “To hum much is given much is required , to hum little is given little is required”. Remember the parable of the “unjust Judge”.  

    Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer and Adam……….gene

    #930737
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer

     

    Among other things, you said to Mike: “You say the sun was created on the fourth day, but the first 3 days were 24 hours each? Lol. Thanks for the laughs.” 

    Do you believe or not that God created the lights on the fourth day according to Genesis 1:14 to 19?
    thank you for the answer.

     

    #930738
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    They were placed in the vault on the fourth day. They were visible in the sky on the fourth day. Way before the fourth day, God created the heavens and the earth.

    #930739
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Agreed gene.

    #930740
    Berean
    Participant

    They were placed in the vault on the fourth day. They were visible in the sky on the fourth day. Way before the fourth day, God created the heavens and the earth. 

    Hi Proclaimer

    According to you, God would have created the luminaries from the first day, He would have put them aside until the fourth day to put them in the firmament…(am I wrong?)

    I don’t believe that.
    I’ll tell you what I believe.(in short)

    At the beginning

    GOD created the heavens and the formless and empty earth:
    there is water, a ball I believe, inside there is earth like a pit in an olive or an apricot, and it turns counterclockwise…
    Regarding the sky, it does not really exist on the first day…

    So let’s see what the text says

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    It is not written that God does all this on the first day but “in the beginning”
    I think we can include in the term “in the beginning” the first 2 days “of creation, (v.8) and even up to v.13 for good measure.
    And so in verse 13, we have the heavens (firmament) and the earth with the plants, but not the lights, nor the animals …. nor the man.
    And so, I see this as the beginning…still to come the fourth day until the sixth and of course the apotheosis, the day of consecration, of rejoicings, of memories: the seventh day.
    I leave you alone for the length of the days. Everything comes in its time as the sage tells us.
    This is in brief my vision on the beginning of the creation of the heavens and the earth….
    It’s Spring coming to us and you fall, each in turn….🌍🌏

    God bless

    #930741
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    According to you, God would have created the luminaries from the first day, He would have put them aside until the fourth day to put them in the firmament…(am I wrong?)

    God created the heavens and the earth. We know this because on Day 1, God’s Spirit is hovering over a watery planet. And prior, we are told that he created the heavens and earth (in that order).

    So, the planet is not suitable for life on earth at the beginning of day one. As God’s days progress, he separates the land from the sea and then the luminaries appear / placed in the sky / vault. This is one way to read the text and it doesn’t violate science and observation either. In fact it confirms it.

    Scientists believe that the atmosphere was choked up with gases from massive ancient volcanism which is clearly evident in the geological record. As the earth settled, the atmosphere eventually cleared from these poisonous gases allowing a view of the luminaries. This change in atmosphere allowed life exist on earth which agrees with the Genesis account which tells us three things.

    1. God created the heavens and the earth;
    2. Then God terraformed the earth to make it suitable for life.
    3. He then created and placed life on the planet.

    Other options for interpreting Genesis that doesn’t violate science is that Genesis is metaphorical like much of scripture. For example, Jesus is coming back to earth with a sword coming from his mouth. This is obviously not literal.

    Another option that works is looking at the universe and earth like we look at a virtual world that we create. As a creator of a virtual world, we can create the objects in any order we like. Then we eventually boot up the world from essentially nothing and into something working and logical. We can program in that certain objects rely on others such as the earth needing the sun, but they can be created in any order.

    I am open minded about what Genesis is saying. But some Christians insist on 6 or 7 x 24 hour days with the sun created on the fourth day, and the previous 3 days being 24 hours despite the sun not being created yet and despite that a day is mentioned along with a night in other scriptures meaning less than 24 hours. Then they teach that this is the only interpretation in the Bible and intelligent people who are looking for God and reading the Bible are convinced that the Bible must be incorrect. When they question it, they then find that some of these fine specimens that act like teachers also believe that the earth is flat at which point they laugh and leave. Such people lay stumbling blocks to people’s salvation.

    Jesus said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come!

    #930901
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Flat Earth logic is illogical

    The first example is not flat earthism, but it is about as silly a statement that you get with their arguments.


    The portal where the moon comes to rest and where it rises

    Flat Earthers often take illusions as literal truth. Obviously that can be idiotic as this photo demonstrates.

    moon


    The ice wall that hems in the world’s oceans on the flat disc

    The ice wall exists of course, but I guess flat earthers would believe that the end of the disc is over there on the horizon. If only the plane flew over there and took a photo. Then again, it might have hit the dome. Maybe that is why we never see aerial footage of the edge? Lol.

    ice-wall


    Following the rays shows a close sun

    If only the photographer had a drone. He could have taken a shot of the sun close up. Missed opportunity. Lol.

    crepuscular-rays

    #931114
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    core-belief

    #931137
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The Flat Earth conspiracy theory debunks itself

    #931202
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Censorship in the seventeenth century

    truth

    #931352
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Elon Musk’s opens up about whether moon landing was fake or real. As Elon Musk says, Apollo Mission was one of the most significant achievements of 20th century. But why people doubt that it happen? Well, Elon Musk has his own opinion on this question. Let’s analyze.

    #931353
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Flat Earth PROVEN By Independent Research

    #931404
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    NASA’s Perseverance Rover Sees Solar Eclipse on Mars

    #931405
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    ancients

    #931517
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi flat boys.

    Take a look at the universe that God created.

    For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    #931524
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Why are flat earth scientists not photographing the dome like globe earth scientists are viewing the cosmos?

    I guess there is no such thing as a scientists who is a flat earther. An oxymoron.

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