Flat Earthers gather in New Zealand

Flat Earthers hold a conference in Auckland, with speakers from around the globe.

Flat Earth celebrities have flown across the globe to speak at the Flat Earth Expo in Auckland, New Zealand. Flat Earthers believe that we live on a flat plane rather than the accepted globe model. Flat Earthers also believe that most evidence to the contrary is controlled by a giant conspiracy of which NASA is at the forefront.

The Flat Earth model has the north pole in the centre of a flat circular disc and the South Pole as not existing at all. Instead, they believe that Antarctica is a giant encircling ice wall that hems in the world’s oceans. They point out that nearly all of us have never visited Antarctica, thus we rely on the testimony of a few who claim to have visited the frozen continent, and who are mostly lying to us and are part of the conspiracy. Flat Earthers are quick to point out that it is illegal to visit Antarctica. Whether this is true or not, the fact is, it is illegal to do a number of things in any protected wilderness areas of the world of which Antarctica is a special one.

This conference in Auckland comes with a huge opportunity. Flat Earthers flying to New Zealand from the Northern Hemisphere have a unique opportunity to prove to themselves that the Earth is not flat and instead the mostly accepted globe. They only need to travel via South America to New Zealand and note the hours spent getting there will be way less than their Flat Earth model would have you believe. You see, the Flat Earth disc with no south pole has New Zealand, Australia, South America, and Africa many times apart in distance from each other as the globe suggests, simply because, instead of reducing down to a single point we call the South Pole, the area of land in the Southern Hemisphere expands out to the giant ice wall circumference of the whole disc. This projection is similar to how we view Canada, Russia, or even Antarctica on most world maps where they are many times larger on these maps than they are in reality . This is because maps have difficulty projecting a 3D globe onto their 2D canvas. In essence, the Flat Earth model is a 2D construct as it is a flat surface albeit disc shape, so it has the Southern Hemisphere as being much larger in area than it really is.

Sitting in an isolated spot in the Southern Hemisphere, New Zealand gives these Flat Earthers travelling to Auckland the unique opportunity to debunk their own belief. But how many will actually test this out? I am thinking perhaps a few, but most of these guys will just be looking forward to rubbing shoulders with their Flat Earth brothers when they get here and on-route looking out toward the flat horizon because they are simply not flying high enough to see the curve.

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  • #826401
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    T8: …yacht and ship navigation of the Southern Ocean…
    Mike: Yes, sea faring vessels navigate the southern oceans. And?

    Go back and read it again and you will know what comes after ‘And?’.Your comment alludes to you not reading the post properly, missing the point completely, or are intentionally ignoring it and belittling the argument made.

    #826406
    Proclaimer
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    @mikeboll64

    Invest a few minutes to watch this video and you will see how you can see the full moon during the day.

    While the guy doing the video makes the point that the moon is in line if sight in daylight as much as it is at night, in the diagrams or simulation he shows, you can see at one point the full moon during the day while not being an eclipse.

    #826407
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    T8: …seeing moons and planets via telescopes…
    Mike: We see lights with telescopes. Circular lights. What is your proof they are 3 dimensional terrestrial bodies?

    I think you will find all the planets spin.

    T8: …satellites…
    Mike: Yes, we send many pieces of equipment, called satellites, high up on balloons. We’ve been doing so since the early 50’s. What is your proof that satellites, as NASA describes them, exist in the thermosphere, where the temperature is said to be 3 times hotter than it would take to melt them all?

    I can see them sometimes in the night sky orbiting quite fast. There is a launchpad about 5 hours from where I live that sends satellites into space. But you would have me believe this is all fake. And for what purpose do we have all these people deceiving us with fake missions, space programs, etc?  So we will accept that God created a much smaller creation than the one most believe today that clearly displays God’s eternal nature and leaves even Atheists in awe.

    Mike: You simply don’t know your history. Ptolemy’s cosmology had a stationary earth with lights moving around us, and it explained everything just fine from the 2nd century AD until Copernicus in 1600.

    Mike, stars are very far away and do not orbit our sun, so the heliocentric model or Flat Earth models can explain star movements. But wandering stars were the thorn in the side of the Flat Earth model because they are part of our solar system, thus the models  see them completely different. And they weren’t called wandering for fun, that title was a result of the Flat Earth model which unlike all the other stars, moved in a haphazard way. But you keep ignoring the question about wandering stars, so I will ask again.

    Is it a coincidence that when you look at the heliocentric model that wandering stars suddenly have a normal simple orbit around the sun in that model? If the heliocentric model were fake, then how do you account for this astronomical coincidence that happens to place these wandering stars as predictable simple orbits?

    Mike: I haven’t looked into the that, so I can’t comment on it. But I’ll see your Southern Cross and raise you a Big Dipper. We in the “northern hemisphere” can see it all year long. Think about that, and we’ll talk more later.

    You will look into the Southern Cross and I will look into the Big Dipper. While I am ignorant of it and have head the name a few times, it may be like our Southern Cross and visible in the northern hemisphere. What is the puzzling thing about it in a globe earth model combined with the solar system?

    #826408
    GeneBalthrop
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    Dig4truth…..so you say Jesus raised up himself from the grave, well if that be the case then he never “really” died, and you are still in your sins, because shams don’t work with God right?

    Here is some scriptures that show it was God the Father who raised Jesus from the DEAD not himself.

    Rom 10:9.., That if you shall confess with thy mouth the lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that “GOD” has “RAISED” him from the dead, you shall be saved.

    So you believe Jesus raised “himself”, right?, well then how are you saved? not believing it was GOD THE FATHER WHO RAISED JESUS ?, SEEMS YOU HAVE A DELIMA

    Acts 3:15, And killed the Prince of life, whom “GOD” has (RAISED) from the “dead” whereof we are witnesses.

    Acts 2:32, This Jesus has “GOD RAISED UP” whereof we are all witnesses.

    Acts 3:26, Unto you first God, “having raised up”, his Son Jesus,

    Acts 4:10, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:40, Acts 13:33-34,

    1 Cor 6:14, 1 Cor 15:15, Gal 1:1, Col 2:12, 1 Pe 1:21.

    13 verses, clearly say GOD THE FATHER, “RAISED JESUS” FROM THE DEAD. Now again , who said, destory this “temple” and in three days (Ì) shall raise it up? Who was the (I) there? Was it not God the Fathers Spirit itself, speaking directly through the mouth of Jesus saying that? Does it not say “In the latter days God spoke “through” a son unto us.”

    Here is something else for you to chew on, Rom 8:11.. “BUT IF THE SPIRIT OF HIM WHO RAISED CHRIST JESUS FROM THE DEAD DWELL “IN” YOU, HE
    THAT RAISED UP CHRIST FROM THE DEAD, SHALL ALSO QUICKEN (bring to life) YOU MORTAL (dead) BODY” BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU”.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #826409
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi everyone video to watch

    everyhttps://www.youtube.com/user/thismorning

    #826412
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    Until you hear the voice of the Spirit in the mouth of the anointed man Jesus

    and in the mouths of the holy prophets and apostles

    you will only hear the voices of men.

     

    The Word is spiritual and not earthly

    Heb 1.1

    God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son…

    #826415
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Nick, why then am I upholding Scripture and you seem to be upholding the teachings of man?

    The Scripture says that the sun has a circuit that it goes forth and that it runs its race but you hold to the teaching that the earth moves around the sun. Who is hearing the words of men?

    #826416
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    You may imagine that you are upholding the truth of God.

    But instead you are offering your limited understandings of revelation.

    God has chosen to reveal little of His awesome creation to mankind but you grasp straws.

    You try to build a house from these few facts but it can only become a straw house unrelated to the truth of God.

     

    Do not kid yourself that God is grateful for the works of your own hands.

     

    #826417
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Well, Nick, I feel sufficiently warned.

    #826418
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    Has not God rather chosen to reveal His nature through the wonders of creation?Rom 1.20 f

    Are you not limiting His revelation rather to what is written and frustrating His plan?

    #826419
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi .   https://www.youtube.com/user/thismorning

    #826420
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Dig4Truth,

    The Flat Earth is the experience that God gave us of living on Earth. But knowledge increased as it is written that would happen and consequently, we see that the framework of creation comprises of spherical planets including Earth held in orbits around suns by gravity and all wonderfully made. If I created a virtual world and populated it with an AI race, I would give them a Flat Earth experience too probably, but if knowledge increased, they might discover the code that makes their world possible and even discover the hardware like the CPU if they were somehow able to project out of the screen to the dimension their world exists in. In fact it would be fun to watch them discover my handiwork.

    God loves man and speaks to him through man’s experience. He sees through our eyes when he talks to us, and doesn’t often talk to us like we are angels in heaven who get a much higher perspective of creation and the things of God.

    I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

    So why fight to convince people that God’s creation is smaller than what discoveries point to, when today’s increased knowledge shows us a creation that can only be made by an eternal being. Even Atheists are in awe at the universe, its size, precision, and spectacular phenomena. All Flat Earthers are going to convince people of is someone made a dome and it could easily be advanced aliens or even other humans who have placed us inside a zoo or made us part of a reality TV programme for their entertainment.

    Men are increasingly without excuse that God created the universe as science is always showing more than expected of the wonderful handiwork of God.

    God did all that. Praise him for his handwork and eternal nature.

    #826421
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    #826423
    mikeboll64
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    T8:  The Earth tilts to create seasons…

    The earth tilts at 23.5 degrees for two reasons…

    1.  It was discovered that people can see Polaris, the north star, as far as 23.5 degrees south of the equator, so it was easier to claim the earth tilts 23.5 degrees than explain how people in the southern hemisphere were able to see through the earth to Polaris.
    2.   They also needed to explain the change of seasons, and this addition of a tilt to an earth that had previously had none killed two birds with one stone.

    But let’s do a thought experiment.  Imagine the earth as a quarter inch diameter ball bearing (the moon would be a BB), placed at the end zone of an American football field (100 yards long).  The sun wouldn’t even be on same field.  It would be a five foot diameter ball of fire on the 50 yard line of the next field.  That’s how far away they say the sun is from the earth.

    The heat from the sun is traveling 93 million miles to the earth (through a vacuum, which is itself a complete impossibility) – or in our scaled down model, 150 yards to the quarter inch diameter earth.  Do you really think that tilting the quarter inch ball bearing 23.5 degrees is going to cause a drastic fluctuation in the amount of heat reaching the closer part verses the farther part?  Because that’s what they tell us.

    But that’s not even the worst part.  When the northern hemisphere is having it’s summer, the earth is actually 3.1 million miles farther away from the sun!

     

    So we move the earth 3 million miles farther away, and give it a little tilt, and somehow that’s supposed to bring more heat to the north?  I kid you not, man.  I mean, who makes this crap up?  Tilting a 25,000 mile circumference sphere is going to move the north what… a couple thousand miles closer to the sun?  Yet the sun is now 3.1 million miles farther away?  Why would anyone in their right mind believe this nonsense?

    It’s like a kid roasting a marshmallow for the first time, but he’s scared to get closer than 5 feet from the fire… which isn’t close enough to do anything to his marshmallow.  So his parents say, “That’s okay son, just take a step further away from the fire, and tilt the marshmallow a little.  That’ll get ‘er nice and brown.”  LOL

    #826425
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    It is fortunate for you that you have someone so wise to rely on.

    Nobody else can be trusted.

    Just you.

     

     

    #826426
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    T8:  I just read this:

    The friction between the earth’s surface and the atmosphere. The atmosphere rotates along with the Earth due to the friction. Friction makes molecules that are in contact with the ground to move. The friction between the air molecules (air viscosity) causes the upper molecules to move.

    Again, use discernment.  What on earth would make you believe such blatant nonsense?  Does a speeding car cut through the air… or take all the air molecules along with it due to friction?  How about a plane?  T8, the best thing that happened to me during this investigation is that my God-given BS detector began to work again.  For years I was like you… believing anything “science says”, without even thinking about whether it made any sense.

    So I ask you, does that really make sense to you?

    #826428
    david
    Participant

    #826429
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hey Mike. Yes it would make some difference, but how much is not known by myself. If the difference is noticeable, then I would make the argument that sit between a frozen Mars and a cooking Venus. We are in between in a place often referred to as the Goldilocks Zone. In fact, creationists use this as an argument for intelligent Earth placement rather than random placement of the planet. It is argued often that a little bit forward and we cook and a little back and we freeze. But God placed us in the exact position for life to flourish. But let’s assume for the sake of the argument that the effect of the tilt making a place closer is so small that it is not worth mentioning. There are still two main points as to why each hemisphere heats up in summer and is cooler in winter.

    1. When the earth tilts toward the sun, you get more sunlight. That is akin to having the heater on for longer and over a period of months that is a lot of extra sunlight or extra heating hours.
    2. This reason I googled just now. “During the summer, the sun’s rays hit the Earth at a steep angle. The light does not spread out as much, thus increasing the amount of energy hitting any given spot. During the winter, the sun’s rays hit the Earth at a shallow angle. These rays are more spread out, which minimizes the amount of energy that hits any given spot”.

    #826432
    mikeboll64
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    D4T:  Mike, I love that video about the map! It just goes to illustrate how we have accepted things that were taught to us…

    Yeah, it was both humorous and enlightening.  I’m not accepting anything the mainstream is pushing anymore… until I’ve looked at it closely with skeptical eyes and agree that it is rational.

    #826433
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    T8:  My two posts above easily refute the logic that air pressure in the atmosphere will reach equilibrium and consequently be sucked out into the vacuum, of space.

    No T8, they don’t.  Your posts not only fail to refute the claim that there is no way that a pressurized system could exist adjacent to a near perfect vacuum, but the claims therein fail for two glaring reasons…

    1.  They go directly against 2LoT (second law of thermodynamics), which says pressure will always and constantly move from high to low until the entire system has reached equilibrium.
    2. They rely on a very selective force called gravity, which was dreamed up from pure imagination as an answer to why spherical objects in the heavens could remain in orbits, and has NEVER been verified to even exist.

     

    T8:  What you are basically arguing here is that yes there is this law, but no, there are no other laws. So I could argue that you cannot fly a plane because of gravity. To say that, I have to ignore aerodynamics. Or that things fall because of gravity, so I could argue that they fall forever because I am leaving out electromagnetism.

    Listen friend, you are posting a lot of videos and Google Search results that tell you what your ears are itching to hear… but you’re not thinking straight, and you’re definitely not using discernment in these things.  You just keep posting blatant nonsense that you found on the web, and keep claiming it as real answers when it is anything but.

    I have still not heard back about you starting the debate thread… even after repeatedly asking if you’ve done so.  If you have, please let me know.  If you haven’t, please do so.  We’re all over the place in this thread, which is fine for it’s purpose.  People are getting a chance to gain some cursory knowledge about some of the complete absurdities we’ve all taken for granted just because “science says”.  I hope that will cause them to dig a little deeper and question some of these things. But in the debate thread, you and I can really pick these things apart, and I will be able to adequately address your Google and YouTube “answers” in a way that you will then be able to recognize them for what they really are.

    So please start the thread if you haven’t.

     

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