Flat Earthers gather in New Zealand

Flat Earthers hold a conference in Auckland, with speakers from around the globe.

Flat Earth celebrities have flown across the globe to speak at the Flat Earth Expo in Auckland, New Zealand. Flat Earthers believe that we live on a flat plane rather than the accepted globe model. Flat Earthers also believe that most evidence to the contrary is controlled by a giant conspiracy of which NASA is at the forefront.

The Flat Earth model has the north pole in the centre of a flat circular disc and the South Pole as not existing at all. Instead, they believe that Antarctica is a giant encircling ice wall that hems in the world’s oceans. They point out that nearly all of us have never visited Antarctica, thus we rely on the testimony of a few who claim to have visited the frozen continent, and who are mostly lying to us and are part of the conspiracy. Flat Earthers are quick to point out that it is illegal to visit Antarctica. Whether this is true or not, the fact is, it is illegal to do a number of things in any protected wilderness areas of the world of which Antarctica is a special one.

This conference in Auckland comes with a huge opportunity. Flat Earthers flying to New Zealand from the Northern Hemisphere have a unique opportunity to prove to themselves that the Earth is not flat and instead the mostly accepted globe. They only need to travel via South America to New Zealand and note the hours spent getting there will be way less than their Flat Earth model would have you believe. You see, the Flat Earth disc with no south pole has New Zealand, Australia, South America, and Africa many times apart in distance from each other as the globe suggests, simply because, instead of reducing down to a single point we call the South Pole, the area of land in the Southern Hemisphere expands out to the giant ice wall circumference of the whole disc. This projection is similar to how we view Canada, Russia, or even Antarctica on most world maps where they are many times larger on these maps than they are in reality . This is because maps have difficulty projecting a 3D globe onto their 2D canvas. In essence, the Flat Earth model is a 2D construct as it is a flat surface albeit disc shape, so it has the Southern Hemisphere as being much larger in area than it really is.

Sitting in an isolated spot in the Southern Hemisphere, New Zealand gives these Flat Earthers travelling to Auckland the unique opportunity to debunk their own belief. But how many will actually test this out? I am thinking perhaps a few, but most of these guys will just be looking forward to rubbing shoulders with their Flat Earth brothers when they get here and on-route looking out toward the flat horizon because they are simply not flying high enough to see the curve.

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  • #825747
    mikeboll64
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    Ed:  Hi Mike,

    I have seen a lot of this before, it is compelling. Like
    the airplane flights in the southern hemisphere. And sunspots
    on clouds. And the sun coming at different angles through the clouds

    …and the six mile canal experiment… ect.

    Good man.  FECore just finished a successful 40 Km laser test, and will be posting the video soon.  They’ve already posted 100 pages of scientific gibberish to make it an official peer reviewed type experiment. They’ve dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s – just so they don’t have to put up with any crap from detractors.  I’ll post the video here when they finish editing it.

     

     

    #825749
    mikeboll64
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    T8: Just call it a planet and it should go away. It has an inferiority complex.

    That is flippin’ hilarious!  Good one.  😀

    #825750
    mikeboll64
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    Anthony:  Hi Mike      God is good Mike ,I think you really need to grow up God brings us to full grown sons  you really can’t believe the earth is flat.. Mike I’m not here to debate with you I don’t really thinks God would want me to waste my time with this kind of non scents ,no read proverbs and the book of John God bless you . The Spirit of God will lead you to knowing the earth is round Good luck  bye.

    Gene:  Anthony. …Well put brother.

    Kathi, I’m having a bit of deja vu here.  🙂

    Anthony, condemnation without investigation is the epitome of indoctrination.

    Gene, were you able to figure out that 24 inches is not the same as 8 inches yet?  Or are you still working out the mathematics of it?

     

    #825752
    mikeboll64
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    T8, I’ll see your top 10 video, and raise you a much better one that makes minced meat out of yours…

    As for the one point you brought up, nobody has EVER observed something behind a curved object being brought back over the object via refraction, atmospheric lensing, or any other mechanism.  And just so you know, when light refracts, it angles towards the denser medium.  To bring a distant object up over the imaginary curved horizon of the ball earth, the light would have to be bending away from the denser and towards the less dense.  That simply never happens.

    But right now we’re on Eratosthenes.  After you answer the one simple question I asked about his experiment, we’re going to deal with this 8 inches per mile squared formula until you either acknowledge it as the fact every mathematician in the world knows it is, or come up with a legitimate reason to question it – which we will then discuss.  We’re going back to the drawing board, baby.  And we ain’t leaving until we get some closure on these things I’ve presented.  🙂

     

    #825754
    mikeboll64
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    miia and D4T, I’ve been reading all your posts, and loving them.  I just haven’t had the time to respond.  But keep them coming.

    #825757
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I will see your video and raise you another, Mike.

    This one has satisfying answers in it to some of the questions you have asked here.

    #825773
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi all I have had a computer glitch and had to reset (twice). So have been absent most of this week, apologies.

     

    #825774
    Anthony
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    Can people in the 21st century really think the Earth is a flat disk, and not a sphere? When I see their claims I have to wonder if it’s an elaborate hoax,I was thinking of writing up a definitive post debunking this silliness, but decided I have better things to do, like clipping my toenails. It’s like trying to disprove solipsism; why bother? I don’t see this as being a particularly infectious bit of antiscience,Maybe someday if I’m particularly bored — like say locked in a room with just water, bagels, and an internet-connected computer — I’ll write something up. It would be a fun mental exercise, but not terribly useful against the Flat Earthers. If someone showed them my page, they’d probably just deny the existence of the internet. God bless maybe I’ll understad in the sweet bye and bye…

    #825775
    Anthony
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    #825776
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Anthony…..right on brother, FE peolpe are those who are ignorant of apsolute established truths, proven over and over for 2000 years, they choose to believe lies, rather then the proven truths, it really is amazing is it not?

    Anyway glad there are some who can acknowledge the truth when they see it here.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #825780
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Start with doubt and add in fear of deception. A pinch of conspiracy theory and a drop of rebellion. Mix all together with personal observation and self will and half bake it till it does not seem ludicrous any more. Serve it to likeminded friends.

     

    #825781
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick,,,,,Yea, that is a recipe that causes so many of these wack jobs. Many don’t know the truth when it’s right in front them. They still would rather believe a lie. They simply will not admit, pride of life prevents them from admitting they are dead wrong, i even believe if they were given a space ship ride complete around the earth, they still wouldn’t believe the earth is round. It’s hard for me to believe a person with the Spirit of truth in them could simply sluf off so great amount of evidence, an turn to these conspiracy theorest wacks.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #825787
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene, I believe that to a person can have a distorted view of something and still be a spirit filled believer. But I would argue that the believer would be moving forward in truth, not backwards, although we do have to allow for stumbling from time to time. But overall, believers make progress when they are being led by the Spirit. Further, believing the Earth is flat is not a salvation issue, but at worse is deception if it is wrong. It should make us look at ourselves to see where we may be going wrong more so than trying to change another person. That said, if some Christians say that this is a Bible vs Science issue and if these Christians are wrong, then that is a sure way to make people distrust the Bible which could even affect the salvation of some souls.

    #825788
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    but decided I have better things to do, like clipping my toenails.

    Yes that is important. Growing claws gives ammunition for those that believe in Evolution.

     

    #825789
    Anthony
    Participant

    Sorry  T8. Won’t happen again sorry Mike won’t happen again k k Anthony

    #825791
    Anthony
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    • Shouldn’t have done that shouldn’t have got rude and disrespectful, again sorry t8 and Mike and everyone
    #825794
    mikeboll64
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    Mike:  Are they suggesting that a flower doesn’t actually exist unless someone happens to be looking at it?

    T8:  When you are not observing protons or electrons, they are waves. When you observe, they are particles or real pixels. 

    How do we test that claim scientifically?

    #825795
    mikeboll64
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    D4T:  But t8, mathematics says that a sphere with a circumference of our earth would curve at 8″ per mile squared.

    Yes it certainly does.  Gene and T8 have questioned this well established formula that every scientist and mathematician in the world accepts – just like they all accept 3.14 as the value of pi.  Gene is standing firm with his own math of 2 feet per mile period – apparently oblivious that his formula can only ever make a constantly decreasing slanted line.  T8 must be coming around, however, because I see he has moved on to the “refraction” argument.

    But this is great, D, because one wouldn’t question the math or appeal to refraction unless that one was coming to terms with the observational evidence that we can indeed see objects that are much farther away than we could if the earth were a ball.  So it seems we are making progress – even if they don’t yet realize it.  It is a lot to swallow all at once… especially after so many years of such heavy indoctrination and constant propaganda.  Baby steps work for me.  🙂

    #825796
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Mike…it ok to question things, i am not against that, but when there is a hugh overwhelming body of evidence we should lean toward that body of truth, IMO,

    T8… To me it’s a destraction, BUT, I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SAID, I CERTAINLY DO NOT WAN’T TO OFFEND ANYONE, SO IF I HAVE PLEASE FORGIVE ME. NO ONE HAS “ALL” THE TRUTH, EXCEPT GOD. THERE ARE MANY THINGS I DON’T UNDERSTAND EITHER, SO I SHOULDN’T BE SO HARD ON OTHERS. AGAIN SORRY MIKE, OR WHO EVER I HAVE OFFENDED.

    Peace and love to you all and yours. ……gene

    #825798
    mikeboll64
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    T8:  It isn’t hard t understand that everything on Earth is attracted to the centre of the Earth while a big object like the moon passing close would cause a disturbance or tug a bit harder than when it is further away.

    Wouldn’t that same tug continually pull the moon ever closer, while also disturbing the orbit of the earth around the sun?  If not, why not?  And while we’re at it, your case was more easily made with Copernicus’ circular orbits… but they didn’t match what we actually observe in the sky.  So then came Newton’s elliptical orbits to account for these discrepancies.  But if the earth is orbiting the sun in an ellipsis with a difference of 3.1 million miles depending on the time of year, why does it continue to orbit?  If the gravity of the sun is such that it holds the earth at bay from 91.4 million miles, then when the sun gets to its farthest point away (94.5 million miles), how can the same amount of gravity keep hold of it?  Shouldn’t it just shoot on out into space?

    Conversely, if the gravity of the sun is sufficient for orbit at 94.5 million miles, then when the earth returns to its closest point (91.4 million miles), why wouldn’t the gravity of the sun pull the earth into it?  Or at least start messing with its orbital path?

    See, these are the kinds of things we’re asked to blindly believe – despite them making no sense whatsoever.

    T8:  An elephant has more mass than I do, so when it jumps of a three foot platform, gravity influences it more than if I jumped off that same platform.

    Or, heavier things fall through a less dense medium with more force than lighter things.  Newton’s theory of gravity says that – for some unknown reason – masses attract each other.  There are formulas for figuring out how much gravitational pull there would be for a certain mass at a certain distance from the other mass, but the bottom line is that all objects of mass attract each other via this force.  So what then of helium?  It has mass, but the earth’s gravity has no effect on it.  How can that be?

    Once you start tugging at the loose strings, the entire sweater gets pulled apart.  It is a house of cards, man.  Now to be sure, there will be men using words we can’t understand telling you there is this explanation or that reason – but those unsubstantiated claims are the only thing keeping the house of cards standing.  Well, that and the willingness of gullible people – many of them God-fearing Christians – to believe those things.

    Take the age of the earth, for just one example.  Do you know how many Christians believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old?  At least half, and I’d say an overwhelming majority of them.  Of course that’s not counting the millions who have dropped from the faith because they logically deduced that if the 4.5 billion years was correct, the Bible couldn’t be.  I get the feeling you still believe in those deep ages they pulled out of their butts, like so many Christians who keep trying to force-fit the ever-changing claims of godless men into the scriptures.  But what did God Almighty say about it?

    Exodus 20:9-11

    Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. On it you shall not do any work… For in six days Jehovah made the heaven and the earth, the sea, and ALL that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.

    There was no heaven and no earth until day one, when God created them.  A mere 5 days later He created Adam and Eve.  No time for billions of years, big bang, or amoeba-to-man evolution.  I have learned to trust God’s word no matter what the secularists say about this or that – because there exists no greater authority.  And God’s word says that Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still in the sky, and they did just that.  God’s word says that both the earth and the heaven rests on pillars.  God’s word says there exists a firmament separating the waters above from the waters below, and that there are lights running on appointed circuits in this firmament to designate days, months, and seasons.  I believe all those things, because God’s word says them.

     

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