Does the brain create consciousness?

Proclaimer….Arguments never change minds, the truth of God does if you have it, because it guide your thinking. But if you don’t have it,  you will never change , you will alway go with what most “influences you, every time.  Those who have not the Spirit are they that are held captive by their own thoughts, from whatever sources they come from, fear,  lust, or whatever is most imfluencing your mind.  Nothing “free” About it.

Those Isrealites did not keep God’s law because they , by their own so-called “freewills” wanted to,  no, but because they were “caused” to.  Just as Moses said,  “fear not for the Lord you God has done this that the “fear” of him , would be before your face, (for what reason?), that  you sin not.” Ex 20: 20

So God “cause them to obey what he said,  by filling them with the fear of him. again , “cause and effect”.  The cause was fear and the effect was keeping God’s words, it had nothing to do with a will that was free, just the oppisit, a will held captive by “fear”. That is why a person cannot be justified by works of law, because the works of law does not change your heart, we all must be recreated by God’s Spirit , “YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN”, from above. 

Proclaimer, the very word “will” shows cause and effect. That is why we are being , “created” unto rightiousness, “.  By the direction of the Spirit of God,  your or my so-called freewill’s  has nothing to do with it , it is GOD THE FATHERS, Will   that will be done on this earth” , according to Jesus.

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

Gene

you

What you don’t understand right and wrong good and evil , always existed, God created it all, yes both good and evil. GOD WANTED THEM TO “know” it for THEMSELVES, so they “disobed God , and there eyes were opened as they began to “experience” or “knowing” good and evil for themselves.

Me

Genesis 1!31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

TELL ME ONE BAD THING THAT GOD WOULD HAVE
CREATED.

Proclaimer,…..Your describing the Freedom,  we have to “do” our wills , not the very will “ITSELF” , THAT where your mixed up,  yes we do all have freedom to do what we will to do, but that will we have, is made up by what’s “influencing”  us the most  it’s called,  “cause and effect” ,   what in your mind drives our will’s,  nothing free about it. 

Again you confusing our freedom to exercise our will’s,  with how the will “itself works”.  We are all held captive by our will’s,  that is why we need the Spirit of God to be “in” us, to cause us to will or desire the right things,  just as it says, “God works “in” us,  “BOTH TO WILL”,  and do of “His” Good pleasure”.

I realize, you had rather think you saved yourself by your own so-called “freewill” choices, but that’s not true,  ““we are saved by “GRACE”,  and that “NOT” of ourselves,  it is a gift of God. 

Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

Hi Proclaimer

YOU:

I’ll make it simple for you gene.

One cause is our sinful nature. Another cause is the Spirit of God.

Now choose one because you are free to choose between the flesh and the spirit.

ME: 

You seem to treat our sinful nature as if it holds the same level of convincing power that God’s Spirit holds. You sure make YOUR God Proclaimer out to be pathetic and weak, I’ll give you that! Your God resembles NOTHING like that of mine, and the way you view the Holy Spirit seems rather blasphemous in my opinion. 

Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways:

Isaiah 46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

Isaiah 36:,,,I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Proclaimer, God declares such things as “I will direct all his ways” and ” I will cause you to walk in my statutes” because when He chooses to place His influence upon you it’s so powerful it cannot be denied, it supersedes all other influences. His calling CAUSES ALL OTHER INFLUENCES TO BECOME TOTALLY FOOLISH and you want absolutely nothing more to do with them. 

I think you better read below and spend some time thinking about it.

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to* make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Hi Proclaimer,

You have made totally false assumptions about my view.

I gave you Romans 7 to read and Romans 9, you think that was just for no reason?

Jesus OVERCAME, he conquered his weak flesh and denied all temptation going to the cross as a lamb without spot or blemish, which he did BECAUSE the eternal Spirit was upon him without measure. 

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

God didn’t send a pre-existing one of a kind first creature that God created to earth to die for our sins, God SENT a man whom was begotten of the eternal Spirit without measure to die for us. Without that Spirit Jesus wouldn’t have gone to the cross, for it was through the Spirit that was upon him he had the ability to deny his own will aroused by weak flesh.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Faith and hope in the POWER of God’s Spirit that it can lead a man to be fully obedient, even against the power of sinful nature, even against the fear of death that has held all men since the beginning in bondage. 

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. 

God’s calling unto His chosen is unto faith and that faith is counted as righteousness whereby we are worthy to obtain the promise when Christ returns. That promise is to be a joint heir with Jesus, having God dwell all in us whereby God then leads us in all His ways and we are thus God’s children along with Jesus.

It’s a CALLING Proclaimer unto those who God CHOSE even before the world was, and it’s too powerful to deny, it’s a SURE THING. 

As Gene has told you, if this were not so then our God could not have made a single promise. 

All you do Proclaimer is teach self-righteousness whereby you speak against the Holy Spirit.

We want to be as Jesus, as a man who has God’s Spirit, a Son according to the Spirit, for where the Spirit dwells there is righteousness and life.

But there is more, we are promised to be freed from a weak mortal body and be given a body of flesh raised in glory, in power, incorruptible, a body that does not tempt us away to serve our flesh anymore, we are free to serve God without fear.

Until then,

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.