Does the brain create consciousness?

Proclaimer………On the one hand you tell us you are doing it by your own “freewill”, then out of the other side say God does it,  by not letting it get to much for you.  But overall you are saying,  your salvation is up to you. I disagree with that, my salvation is not up to me or I would never be saved, my salvation is up to YEHOVAH,  MY GOD.  I am saved by, grace through   “faith”,  in him, which he gave me, to accept the gift of the payment of my sins through the blood of Jesus, which he (GOD) ,  gave to us all, who believe. I completely believe that I am saved by ” grace and that “NOT” of myself, it is a “GIFT” from GOD, my heavenly Father.  I am not save by my “own” so-called “FREEWILL”.  But by the “will” of God, who works in me “both to “WILL” and Do of ‘HIS” good pleasure.  

You can say that is being a robot, but I will tell you this,  scripture says, “we are being “created” unto good works.  And if is by way of creation, then it is not of “my own” “freewill”  that would be giving  me the credit of my salvation, by my own choices. 

Proclaimer there exists no such thing as a “will” that is “free” that an OXYMORON, because no such thing can exist. All will’s are drive by something, or it would not even be a “WILL”  in the first place , all wills are “caused” nothing “free” about it, are we free to exercise those influenced will”s yes, but that never make the WILL itself free. IMO

WE ARE ALL HELD CAPTIVE BY OUR THOUGHTS. Either for Good or Evil.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

Proclaimer,  does God “ask” you or “command” you.  GOD did not “ask” Adam and Eve, not to eat of the tree of Good and Evil, he cammanded them not to eat from it or they would die. Please understand  he was not just talking about  chosen one or the other,  like choosing good or evil. He was talking about then not taking to themselves  to (know) experience either one “good” or “evil”.  It had nothing to do with a “freewill” choice,  they were given. What Adam and Eve did was “desobey” God the Father, infact the actual choice they made was a “good”  Choice  , who would not want there eyes oppned to see thing as God Does, infact it is exactly what God know they would do all along , he planed it that way, from the start. He simply used Satan as a catlist to speed up things.  

What you don’t understand right and wrong good and evil ,  always existed, God created it all,  yes both good and evil.  GOD WANTED THEM TO  “know” it for THEMSELVES, so they  “disobed God , and there eyes were opened as they began to “experience” or “knowing” good and evil for themselves.  

We could never truly know what was good and evil “ourselves” unless we experienced it for our selves, God the Father know that from the Get go.  So he set it up for us to experience both Good and Evil, in hopes we will grow to hate the Evil and love the Good.  Satan is simply a tool God uses to bring about his purposes. 

That had nothing to do with a so-called ““freewill” choice at all.  It all was about obidenice or disobedience.  God know from the very start man would go the way he did, he even added Satan to speed process along. Don’t you believe God the Father knew exactly what they would do all along . IT was needful for us to “experience” (know)  for ourselves about “good and evil”  it makes us more like God the Father.  DIDN’T God say that right after they did it,   saying, “look the man has become as we are to (know)  Good and Evil”.  

Good and evil will always exist so it is needful,  we as the  childern of God , know and understand it for ourselves.  We through experiencing it  learn to,  love the Good, and hate the Evil.

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

Proclaimer. …..you are basically saying you chose to save your own self, by your own so-called freewill self decisions, that is not what scripture says.  “for you are saved by “Grace” and not of “yourself’ it is a “gift” from God.” , and again ,  “they are “all” gone out of the way  they are together become unprofitable , there is none that does good, no not one”,  why is that , seening you believe your own “freewill” choices can save you. Fact is our own “choices” will alway come to runation.  That is why we must be saved by “the Grace of God” , through the blood of Jesus, which he “GOD” offered up for us  all.

Now as for “our consciousness” it has nothing to do with “wills” at all,  consciousness is 100% Spirit, that is how God changes us by changing our conscious awareness. “Life”,  is what consciousness is, every thing living has it’s own gift of consciousness recieved from God the creator of “all” things. It all,  without exception,  comes from our gift of awareness or cognisity’s , which comes from God the Father, he knows the end from the beginning because he gives us our conscious awareness.

Therefore seening he give it to us, he can predict the outcome,  he can “cause it to come into being and predict it’s out come, Just as he did Jesus, through the Prophets, God predicts it and causes it to happen , “freewill” has nothing to do with it, it’s all “cause and effect”.  GOD predicts it and causes it to happen.  That is why we are saved by “GRACE”, not of ourselves.

God the Father says it and causes it to happen,  your desire to be free from that “truth”,   is driven by your human nature I believe, because Nearly all human want control of their own lives, apart from God’s control over themselves,  but that always come to ruin. We must die to our own wills,  like Jesus said and did,  “not “my will” be done , but thy will be done”.  You see Proclaimer, Jesus’ will,  was not to die, God’s will was for him to DIE, Jesus put “his “will” to death, why, because he who was “in” him was greater the he was.  Hanging on to  the idea of a “freewill”  is not putting your will to death, not to even mention there exists no such thing as a “freewill”  all will’s  are the result of, “cause and effect”.  The word “freewill” is a OXYMORON,  None exists. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

Proclaimer and All,

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus,Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

God forgives us of our sins by reason of the anointed Jesus.

God forgives us of our sins by means of His eternal Spirit that was all in Jesus leading him to obedience onto the cross.

God forgives us of our sins Proclaimer not because he sent a spirit son to become flesh and then die for our sins, that is just so VAIN, so STUPID, an EMPTY USELESS DOCTRINE.

God forgives us of our sins because He was not ALL in any of us, to where we could be influenced and thus caused to walk in all His ways in the first place.

By reason of the anointed Jesus, God has reason to forgive us all, as the anointed Jesus is proof of what God’s Spirit causes. If Jesus wasn’t just like us, then there is NO SAVING. It’s all based on the fact that Jesus was a mortal human weak like us all, that God forgives us all through him. 

Believing in CHRIST is ALL ABOUT BELIEVING IN GOD’S ANOINTING SPIRIT and then desiring for that Spirit to be ALL IN US, desiring to be joint heirs with Jesus obtaining that Spirit to a measure that influences us causing righteousness in us. 

Believing in Christ is not about believing that God forgives us of our sins because he sent some spirit son to become flesh to die for us. I am so sick and tired of hearing those completely useless vain words. 

Believing in Christ is about believing that God forgives us of our sins because he perfected a human being by the works of His Spirit, and as all were made like Adam all are to be made as Christ Jesus. 

Romans 8:1 0 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

If the knowledge of Christ, a man anointed with the Spirit where God was all in him causing righteousness, is in your mind, then you know that your body is dead because of sin, you know that man can do nothing of himself, that there is no good in man, IT IS ONLY BY THAT Spirit that is in Jesus that we have life instead of death, because that Spirit is more powerful than any other influence, that Spirit causes righteousness whereby we are then worthy of life. 

This is why Jesus told our heavenly Father to forgive them for they knew not what they were doing. Jesus knew full well that they were incapable themselves to do any good, as he himself knew that he only did good works because God’s Spirit that was in him was a more powerful influence over him than any and all other influences.  

Hi Proclaimer,

I really enjoy this topic, it’s rather fascinating to me.

I want to leave out the term “free will” and just see if we can agree on what I say below.

We obviously are given the freedom to make our own choices, freedom to tell the truth over telling a lie, freedom to share something someone else wants over keeping it all for oneself, etc…, we are not puppets.

The decisions I make come out from my own thoughts, no one is doing my thinking for me, therefore no one is making choices for me.

One person can influence and even be the driving force that convinced a person to make a certain decision over another. People can cause other people to change their mind and that change of mind then of course changed their decision.

agree??