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Did Israel Steal Palestinian Land?

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Is there a reduction in the size of Palestine and an increase in Israeli land acquisition, as asserted by the pro-Palestinian perspective? This video refutes a prevailing misconception about the Arab-Israeli conflict and provides an essential historical and philosophical background to consider.

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  • February 4, 2024 at 2:20 am#945941
    Miia
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    Israel left Palestine on their own to fend for themselves and create their own society. The UN and countries gave them money to help them on their way. Instead, they used that money for tunnels to try and invade Israel and destroy them. Many are they who are against God and his chosen nation Israel as well as the Church which is the body of Christ.

    I dunno what you’ve been watching or reading T8, but it’s not the truth.

    February 4, 2024 at 2:21 am#945942
    Miia
    Participant

    Who is Israel for a start?

    February 4, 2024 at 2:22 am#945943
    Miia
    Participant

    I recently had my DNA tested and I have Iranian Jew, Romanian Jew, Palestinian Jew and others, as does my father. The true Jews are in exile.

    February 4, 2024 at 2:24 am#945944
    Miia
    Participant

    Just something I was watching tonight.

    “Norman Gary Finkelstein, American political scientist and activist. His primary fields of research are the politics of the Holocaust and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Finkelstein was born to parents who are both Jewish Holocaust survivors..”

     

    February 4, 2024 at 2:26 am#945945
    Miia
    Participant

    The Zionists are murderers and Antichrist.

    February 4, 2024 at 2:34 am#945946
    Miia
    Participant

    (As an aside I am also Native American, Arctic Inuit, Russian and Irish, lol)

    February 4, 2024 at 2:40 am#945947
    Miia
    Participant

    As I said… DNA testing is ILLEGAL in “Israel”.

    Palestinians apparently are the ones with the Jewish DNA (according to DNA studies).

    Who is who????  WHO is surrounded with enemies???

    The Palestinians are.

     

    February 4, 2024 at 2:45 am#945948
    Miia
    Participant

    The Son Of Hamas video you posted t8 is typical Israeli Propaganda. They are actors and liars.

    February 4, 2024 at 2:46 am#945949
    Miia
    Participant

    Did you watch any of the videos I posted on page 1?

    February 4, 2024 at 2:49 am#945950
    Miia
    Participant

    They were posted by the Palestinian Christians in Gaza (as was the letter to the Western churches)…. If you were a Christian you would listen to them rather than their enemies!

    February 4, 2024 at 3:20 am#945951
    Miia
    Participant

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    February 4, 2024 at 3:26 am#945952
    Miia
    Participant

    Covenant between the Muslims and Christians in the Holy Land and elsewhere. (Brothers and Sisters of Palestinian Christians in Gaza / Jerusalem). Issued by their prophet Muhammad.

    “This letter is directed to the embracers of Islam, as a covenant given to the followers of Jesus the Nazarene in the East and West, the far and near, the Arabs and foreigners, the known and the unknown.

    This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disbeliever and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam.

    Whenever Christian monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection.

    I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.

    No one is allowed to plunder these Christians, or destroy or spoil any of their churches, or houses of worship, or take any of the things contained within these houses and bring it to the houses of Islam. And he who takes away anything therefrom, will be one who has corrupted the oath of God, and, in truth, disobeyed His Messenger.

    Jizya should not be put upon their judges, monks, and those whose occupation is the worship of God; nor is any other thing to be taken from them, whether it be a fine, a tax or any unjust right.

    Verily I shall keep their compact, wherever they may be, in the sea or on the land, in the East or West, in the North or South, for they are under My Protection and the testament of My Safety, against all things which they abhor.

    No taxes or tithes should be received from those who devote themselves to the worship of God in the mountains, or from those who cultivate the Holy Lands. No one has the right to interfere with their affairs, or bring any action against them. Verily this is for aught else and not for them; rather, in the seasons of crops, they should be given a Kadah for each Ardab of wheat (about five bushels and a half) as provision for them, and no one has the right to say to them ‘this is too much’, or ask them to pay any tax.

    As to those who possess properties, the wealthy and merchants, the poll-tax to be taken from them must not exceed twelve drachmas a head per year (i.e. about 200 modern day US dollars).

    They shall not be imposed upon by anyone to undertake a journey, or to be forced to go to wars or to carry arms; for the Muslims have to fight for them. Do no dispute or argue with them, but deal according to the verse recorded in the Quran, to wit: ‘Do not dispute or argue with the People of the Book but in that which is best’ [29:46]. Thus they will live favored and protected from everything which may offend them by the Callers to religion (Islam), wherever they may be and in any place they may dwell.

    Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents.

    They must not be forced to carry arms or stones; but the Muslims must protect them and defend them against others. It is positively incumbent upon every one of the follower of Islam not to contradict or disobey this oath until the Day of Resurrection and the end of the world.

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    February 4, 2024 at 3:28 am#945953
    Miia
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    February 4, 2024 at 3:30 am#945954
    Miia
    Participant

    The Zionists hate them all. That’ why they bomb their Churches, Schools, Hospitals, Refugee camps……and kill innocent children.

    February 4, 2024 at 4:12 am#945955
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi Miia and all

    The True Israel” 

    E. J. Waggoner

    The promise is: “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne.” Revelation 3:21.

    Now the word “Israel” signifies, “a prince of God,” or “one who prevails.” It was given to Jacob after he had wrestled all night with the angel, and had gained the victory. The Lord said to him: “Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel; for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.” Genesis 32:28. Therefore an overcomer is an Israelite; and the promise is that to those who are Israelites Christ will grant to sit with Him on His throne.

    The natural descendants of Abraham were never considered as the true Israel, and heirs according to the promise, unless they were, like Him, righteous. When Christ told the Jews that if they believed in Him they should know the truth, and the truth should make them free, they replied, “We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man.” John 8:33. But Jesus showed them that they were in the worst bondage than any human slavery, namely, the bondage of sin (verse 34); and to their repeated statements that they were the children of Abraham, He replied: “If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill Me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God; this did not Abraham.” “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.” Verses 39, 40, 44.

    In like manner, also, John the Baptist told the wicked Pharisees and Sadducees not to flatter themselves that they were the children of Abraham, because God was able of the very stones to raise up children unto Abraham (Matthew 3:7-9), plainly implying that sooner than fulfil the promise to such unworthy descendants as they were, God would take stones and raise up children unto Abraham. That this was not a new idea, is evident from the fact that even in the wilderness, from the very time that the promise was renewed to the Jews at the exode, the stubborn Jew who refused to humble himself before God, and confess his sin, on the day of atonement, was cut off from among his people (Leviticus 23:28, 29), while a stranger was at any time permitted to identify himself with Israel by circumcision.

     

    Circumcision was the mark of Jewish citizenship. The man who was circumcised was known to be an Israelite; yet, as has been stated, this was a rite administered to foreigners, after which they were considered the same as those that were born of Jewish parents, thus showing that the natural descendants of Abraham did not comprise all Israel. More than this, we have evidence to show that the Lord never regarded the outward mark of circumcision, whether in the person of a native, or a foreigner, as evidence that that individual was really an heir of Abraham. In the following passage we learn what circumcision implied:-

    “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised; that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.” Romans 4:8-11.

    Abraham received circumcision as a sign that he had obtained “the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ.” Circumcision was there for a sign of righteousness. If a person was circumcised, but was not righteous, he was no more a child of Abraham than any other man; and whoever was righteous, like Abraham, was really his child. So Abraham was the father of all that believed, whether circumcised or uncircumcised. That outward circumcision did not make the man an Israelite, unless he was righteous, is plainly declared by Paul in Romans 2:25-29:-

    “For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? … For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    This was true, not simply when the apostle wrote, but from the beginning of the history of the Jewish nation. When the Lord gave laws to His people, from Mount Sinai, He said that if they disobeyed Him, He would bring desolation upon their land, and they should perish among the heathen; but,-

    “If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against Me, and that also they have walked contrary unto Me; … if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity; then will I remember My covenant with Jacob, and also My covenant with Isaac, and also My covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.” Leviticus 26:40-42.

    And so it was in the days of Moses, as well as in the days of Christ, that “an Israelite indeed” was one in whom was “no guile.”

    In the eleventh of Romans the apostle very forcibly illustrates the way in which the promises to Israel could be fulfilled, even though all the literal descendants of Jacob should forfeit their right to the inheritance. In the first and second verses he declares that God has not cast away His people. This might lead us to suppose that literal Israel are yet the chosen people of God, if he did not say in verse 5 that those that remain are “according to the election of grace.” Then he represents Israel by an olive tree. Some of the branches have been cut off, and the Gentiles, a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. This grafting is contrary to nature, for the grafts partake of the root and fatness of the tame olive tree into which they are grafted, and bear the same kind of fruit. He warns those who are thus grafted in not to boast, since they stand only by faith, and as natural branches were broken off because of unbelief, so they may likewise be removed. The Jews, the natural branches, they become part of the tree, but if they do, it will not be as original branches, but as spiritual grafts. Thus the people of Israel will be only a spiritual people, those who are in Christ, “and so all Israel shall be saved.”

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    February 4, 2024 at 7:33 am#945956
    Danny Dabbs
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    Hi Miia,

    Not every Israeli is a Zionist.
    There are good and bad people in every country.
    Pray for them all.

    God bless

    February 28, 2024 at 10:26 pm#946088
    Miia
    Participant

    Berean, Amen. Thanks for posting that.

    February 28, 2024 at 10:29 pm#946089
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    Not every Israeli is a Zionist.
    There are good and bad people in every country.
    Pray for them all.

    God bless

    Hi Danny.

    I agree there are Jews all over the world who are against the genocide. But as for those in Israel (Zionists): How can they be there out of choice? For one they have to become a Jew (convert to Judaism) which means renouncing Jesus as Christ. Two they have chosen to live on land that was taken off the original people (the Palestinians)?

     

    February 28, 2024 at 10:34 pm#946090
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Danny… But yep, pray for them.

    Sometimes I wonder if Revelations 20:9 (the fire that came down out of heaven) pertains to love.

    February 28, 2024 at 10:52 pm#946091
    Miia
    Participant

    PS. I apologize for my late replies, I was distracted by Facebook but I have given up FB now.

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