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July 11, 2014 at 12:06 am#778962
mikeboll64
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There is but one Almighty God who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them.
Jesus either IS that one God……. or he is the SON OF that one God.
Plus, the fact that Jesus has a God of his own (who Jesus says is also OUR God) proves that he is not that one Almighty God. The Most High God doesn’t have a God of His own.
July 12, 2014 at 2:59 pm#778963
Wakeup
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Allah is not the God of abraham,Isaac,and Jacob.
Because Allah does not have a only begotten son.
Abdulla:
God has a Son,He was prophesied 2500 years before His birth.
This can not be a jewish conspiracy; because the jews killed Him.
And today still rejects Him. He is the Word of God made flesh
Isaiah 9:6
***For unto us a child is born***,
***unto us a son is given***:
***and the government shall be upon his shoulder***:
***and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
***The mighty God***,
*** The everlasting Father***,
***The Prince of Peace***.
To know who Jesus really is; one needs to pray for it, and study.
Because even many christians can not find the answer.
For scripture says:in Luke 10:22.
July 23, 2014 at 2:47 am#778964
Lightenup
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Those who believe what Peter said when he identifies Jesus as the Son of God don’t always believe what Peter said when he identified Jesus as the ‘Jehovah of hosts’ from Isaiah 8:13 in 1 Peter 2.
Shouldn’t we believe both ways that Peter identifies the Son and not just one way Peter has identified the Son???
Has Jehovah of hosts become a stumbling block to those who don’t believe that Peter correctly identifies Jesus as the Jehovah of hosts of Isaiah 8:13? Some people stumble over this truth by denying it and its significance and then make internet forums to try to cleverly convince others to deny it also.
Isaiah 8
11For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.
16Bind thou up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 17And I will wait for Jehovah, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 18Behold, I and the children whom Jehovah hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Jehovah of hosts, who dwelleth in mount Zion.
Eternal life is to know the ONLY true God AND Jesus Christ whom HE has sent. The only one who is true God is the Father and Yeshua is his son, the only one who is both true God/true Man. 😉
July 23, 2014 at 4:05 am#778965
Wakeup
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Lightenup.
You are so close and yet so far.
Jesus was God’s own Word made flesh.
God created all things through His Word.
He spoke and it is done.God’s Word is a living Word.
What I hear my father say, that I speak.
The Word of God is always in subjection to God.
Just as your word is to you.
wakeup.
July 23, 2014 at 7:25 am#778966
Lightenup
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Wakeup, we disagree here. The ‘word of God’ in one context does not have the same meaning in all the verses that it is found. Sometimes it refers to a person who is identified as Jesus in the NT and as Jehovah in the OT but not Jehovah the Father.
July 27, 2014 at 11:38 am#778967
Truth in the Word
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I John 5:17 – “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one;” Then Where is Jesus if Jesus is not God? Glories are what “carnal minds” are not trying to understand! Philippians 2:9-11 “glory” is mentioned here also. God called Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8-14! John 1:1;3;10;14; Hebrews 1:3 (glory); “…sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high,” (Not a hand with fingers like ours but sat down on the right side of righteousness.)Col. 1:15-20; 2:9. Ephesians 3:8-21! Saints consider who we are talking about “The Great I AM” who has more glories than only three (The Trinity)!
July 27, 2014 at 11:48 am#778968
Proclaimer
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I am afraid you have been deceived regarding this. This verse is only found in the KJV and is about the closest verse in the Bible that hints at a Trinity, yet this verse is not actually scripture, rather a footnote that was inserted into some texts fraudulently.

Google “Comma Johanneum” or visit the Wikipedia page on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

Also more here about it.
1 John 5:7
July 27, 2014 at 4:16 pm#778969
Wakeup
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What seems to be the problem with that verse?
The Father, The Word,and The Holy Ghost.
We know the Father is God;the Word is God’s Word,and the Holy Ghost is God’s spirit. God is Holy and His spirit is Holy.
Our word belongs to us,and also has spirit in it.
The spirit in our words can cause an effect on people.
Is this true or false?
wakeup.
July 27, 2014 at 7:22 pm#778970
Proclaimer
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The problem is it is not in any ancient manuscript. It was added into the Textus Receptus from a footnote to part of the text itself.
July 28, 2014 at 11:35 am#778971
knaff
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The father is god, the word is Jesus and the holy spirit is gods active force or engery that he uses to do his willingly
July 28, 2014 at 2:22 pm#778972
Wakeup
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Knaff.
Yes Jesus is the Word made flesh.
The Word is the Word of God.
wakeup.
July 28, 2014 at 2:27 pm#778973
Wakeup
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Truth in the word.
God calls Jesus also God; and God also said: I have set thee so.
This is why the lamb and God are wirshipped rev.22.
For the Lamb is the Word of God himself.
wakeup.
July 28, 2014 at 2:33 pm#778974
Wakeup
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Inserted or not(we can not be sure.for that is mens claim).
The fact is that it is in harmony with scriptures.
That scripture does not support the trinity but the opposite.
That proves that the Word is not God.But the word of God.
wakeup.
August 13, 2014 at 9:48 am#778975
Khru
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As these scriptures clearly show with no subtlety, Yahweh God is strictly a singular, unique being with NO equal. Also note that throughout these verses, Yahweh God only uses singular personal pronouns such as “I” and “me.”:
2 Samuel 7:22 Therefore you are great, Yahweh God. For there is no one like you, neither is there any God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
2 Samuel 22:32 32 For who is God, besides Yahweh? Who is a rock, besides our God?
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
1 Kings 8:60-61 60 that all the peoples of the earth may know that Yahweh himself is God. There is no one else. 61 “Let your heart therefore be perfect with Yahweh our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as it is today.”
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Isaiah 43:10-12 10 “You are my witnesses,” says Yahweh, “With my servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he. Before me there was no God formed, neither will there be after me. 11 I myself am Yahweh; and besides me there is no savior. 12 I have declared, I have saved, and I have shown; and there was no strange god among you. Therefore you are my witnesses”, says Yahweh, “and I am God.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Isaiah 44:5-8
One will say, ‘I am Yahweh’s;’
and another will be called by the name of Jacob;
and another will write with his hand ‘to Yahweh,’
and honor the name of Israel.”
This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel,
and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says:
“I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Who is like me?
Who will call,
and will declare it,
and set it in order for me,
since I established the ancient people?
Let them declare the things that are coming,
and that will happen.
8 Don’t fear,
neither be afraid.
Haven’t I declared it to you long ago,
and shown it?
You are my witnesses.
Is there a God besides me?
Indeed, there is NOT.
I don’t know any other Rock.”
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Isaiah 45:5-6
I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.
I will strengthen[a] you,
though you have not known me;
that they may know from the rising of the sun,
and from the west,
that there is no one besides me.
I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Isaiah 45:18-19
For Yahweh who created the heavens,
the God who formed the earth and made it,
who established it and didn’t create it a waste,
who formed it to be inhabited says:
“I am Yahweh;
and there is no other.
I have not spoken in secret,
in a place of the land of darkness.
I didn’t say to the offspring of Jacob, ‘Seek me in vain.’
I, Yahweh, speak righteousness.
I declare things that are right.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Isaiah 45:21-24
Declare and present it.
Yes, let them take counsel together.
Who has shown this from ancient time?
Who has declared it of old?
Haven’t I, Yahweh?
There is no other God besides me, a just God and a Savior;
There is no one besides me.
22 “Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.
23
I have sworn by myself.
The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and will not be revoked,
that to me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall take an oath.
They will say of me,
‘There is righteousness and strength only in Yahweh.’”
Even to him shall men come;
and all those who raged against him shall be disappointed.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone! To Yahweh, every knee will bow and every tongue shall take an oath and say, ‘There is righteousness and strength only in Yahweh.’”
Isaiah 48:11-12
For my own sake, for my own sake, I will do it;
for how would my name be profaned?
I will NOT give my glory to another.
12 “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel my called:
I am he; I am the first, I am also the last.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone! Yahweh refuses to share his glory with anyone else.
2 Kings 19:15 15 Hezekiah prayed before Yahweh, and said, “Yahweh, the God of Israel, who sit above the cherubim, you are the God, even you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
1 Chronicles 17:20 20 Yahweh, there is no one like you, neither is there any God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Psalm 18:31-32 31 For who is God, except Yahweh? Who is a rock, besides our God, 32 the God who arms me with strength, and makes my way perfect?
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Deuteronomy 4:35, 39
“It was shown to you so that you might know that
Yahweh is God. There is no one else besides him.
Know therefore today, and take it to heart, that Yahweh himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath. There is no one else.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Deuteronomy 10:17-18
17 For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God,
the mighty, and the awesome, who doesn’t respect persons, nor takes reward. 18 He does execute justice for the fatherless and widow, and loves the foreigner, in giving him food and clothing.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone! Yahweh is the God of gods and Lord of lords.
Isaiah 42:8
“I am Yahweh. That is my name.
I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to engraved images.”
Meaning: Yahweh is God’s personal name and he will not share his glory with anything or anyone else.
Psalm 83:17-18 Let them be disappointed and dismayed forever. Yes, let them be confounded and perish; 18 that they may know that you alone, whose name is Yahweh, are the Most High over all the earth.
Meaning: There is no god but Yahweh God alone!
Psalm 148:13 “let them praise Yahweh’s name, for his name alone is exalted.
His glory is above the earth and the heavens.”
Meaning: Praise only Yahweh’s name alone!
It’s crystal clear throughout these scriptures that Yahweh expects us to honor ONLY him as the one true god and he refuses to share his glory with anyone else as his equal. Yahweh God won’t accept anything other than his exclusive, monotheistic worship and he plainly and explicitly tells the Jewish nation
March 21, 2015 at 5:29 am#791227
DavidL
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The Spirit is the Spirit OF God
Yeshua is the son OF God.
So is the Father, the Father of God?

Your reasoning is completely flawed, which is the basic problem with all cult teaching that denies the trinity (and the Deity of Jesus Christ)..

The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ.. Jesus is God the Son – not to the exclusion of the Father … but in Christ I have the Father also (1 John 2:23)

Whether you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, or simply in the name of Jesus – they are two different ways of saying the same thing…

“For in Him [Christ] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority.”– Colossians 2:9,10
March 21, 2015 at 7:06 am#791228
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
Yes God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
Was Christ in Christ too?
March 21, 2015 at 7:07 am#791230
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
The nature of God does not have to be found by reasoning.
God is one.
God has a Son.
March 21, 2015 at 7:38 am#791234
NickHassan
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hi davidl,
If you theory about God is right you should be able to substitute the word TRINITY where GOD appears in the bible.
Can you?
March 21, 2015 at 7:43 am#791237
NickHassan
Participant
Hi davidl,
Jesus said he is the Son of God.
But you say he is the son of a trinity of which he is part?

Whom should we believe?
March 21, 2015 at 9:15 am#791241
carmel
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Jesus said he is the Son of God.
But you say he is the son of a trinity of which he is part?
Nick,
THE FATHER IS A TRINITY ON HIS OWN
THE SON IS A TRINITY ON HIS OWN
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A TRINITY ON HIS OWN
GOD ALWAYS BOTH EMANATES AND CREATES IN THREES:
LOVE WISDOM AND POWER!
the fact that we also are in three elements spirit, soul and body!
LUCIFER WAS CREATED ALSO IN A TRIUNE!
THE FACT THAT
ONE SPIRIT BECAME SATAN
ONE SPIRIT BECAME THE WORLD
ONE SPIRIT BECAME MAN AND WAS TRANSFORMED BY GOD INTO A LIVING SOUL
JESUS THROUGH HIS DEATH WON THE WORLD, THEREFORE ALL MATTER! GOD OF ALL FLESH!
SO ONE EX LUCIFER’S SPIRIT IS OWNED BY JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

SO , THERE IS ONLY ONE SPIRIT LEFT TO BE OWNED BY GOD IN ORDER TO MAKE SATAN USELESS ON HIS OWN WITHOUT ANY INCENTIVE TO EXIST!
AND THAT IS. THE SPIRIT WHO BECAME MAN IN ADAM, THEREFORE ALL SOULS THROUGH ADAM!
SO FROM JESUS DEATH, SATAN STARTED A BATTLE TO OWN AS MUCH AS HE CAN SOULS IN ORDER TO EXIST IN THIS WORLD!

ALL SOULS FROM ADAM UP TO JESUS DEATH, WHICH BELIEVED JESUS GOSPEL WHEN HE WENT TO HELL IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH, WERE LIBERATED!
THIS MAKES US AWARE THAT SOULS ARE NOT ERADICATED SINCE THEY WERE IN HELL AND WENT TO PARADISE, AS JESUS SAID TO ONE OF THE CRIMINALS WHO WAS CRUCIFIED.

Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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