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  • June 30, 2012 at 9:27 pm#304673
    Ed J
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    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)
    Through His death He eliminated Satan's spirit throughout the entire of our creation,and He became the sole proprietor sealed by  sending the Holy Spirit as the GIFT OF GOD TO ABIDE IN OUR SOUL A SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS.


    Hi Charles, our beliefs are similar.

    With Jesus’ death at Calvary, a separation
    occurred between the spirits of ‘Lucifer’ and GOD.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    June 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm#304674
    terraricca
    Participant

    CHARLES

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    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)
    Through His death He eliminated Satan's spirit throughout the entire of our creation,and He became the sole proprietor sealed by sending the Holy Spirit as the GIFT OF GOD TO ABIDE IN OUR SOUL A SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS.

    what is `:our creation: ??? us men ? all of creation ?

    if it is us then yes ,but it still need to explain ;BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS ???

    what are those requirement

    July 1, 2012 at 2:45 pm#304740
    terraricca
    Participant

    CHARLES

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    Journey 42,

    WRONG!!

    Humbly speaking:
    You simply confirmed that you are not aware what you posted, WITH EVERY RESPECT for the simple reason that you contradicted yourself WITH THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED  

    Now reflect:

    For the invisible things of him (God in Jesus’Spirit) from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN!!    

    SO IF IT IS CLEARLY SEEN GOD IS VISBLE.

    SO WHATEVER IS VISIBLE, IS THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD HIMSELF IN THE SPIRIT OF JESUS TRANSFORMED INTO MATTER SINCE:

    ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    ALL BY HIS SPIRIT, ALL IN HIS SPIRIT, ALL FOR HIS SPIRIT.

    THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY JESUS’ SPIRIT
    THE ENITRE CREATION IS MANIFESTED I N JESUS’ SPIRIT
    THE ENTIRE CREATION  WOULD  GLORIFY FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT.

    1Colossians 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    SO GOD IS NOT INVISIBLE AT ALL!!!

    When one reflects on the words “ALL IN HIM” It is quite obvious ,that since ALL in His Spirit, one would be aware that JESUS’ SPIRIT WAS TOTALLY CONSUMED IN WHATEVER IS CREATED, AND THE LAST TO BE CONSUMED IN WAS  MARY’S BODY, THE IMMACULATE SUBSTANCE WHICH GOD THE FATHER REQUIRED TO BE BORN AS MAN/GOD  IN JESUS AS MESSIAH.

    One should reflect more and in depth on hereunder:

    John6:39  And this is the Father's WILL which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me (THE KINGDOM) I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day

    that of all which he hath given me,

    WHAT DID THE FATHER GIVE TO HIS SON, ?

    Further up  in Colossians 1:13 It is quite obvious that the Father gave to His Son the KINGDOM, for the simple reason that the Father used His Son’s Spirit to create the entire creation, AND ON THE LAST DAY, JESUS HIMSELF,  WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY, AND GLORIFY IT  IN HIS MYSTICAL BODY AS HIS KINGDOM, FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN, IN HIS FULNESS FOR ETERNITY.

    I should lose nothing,

    SO THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY,IN,AND FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT,AND THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD GLORIFY.
    NOTHING WOULD BE LOST. So who would not be saved in this CARNAL term, definitely would be saved in a different term in the far away future.

    but should raise it up again at the last day .

    SO HERE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE HIMSELF WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY ON THE LAST DAY[/B]

    SO! It all depends ENTIRELY on us, and how we behave throughout our lives GENERALLY in relation to our entire creation.
    Our creation therefore, is Jesus’ spiritual substance, THE SOURCE OF BOTH SPIRIT AND MATTER, BOTH SOULS,AND FLESH, BOTH WATER AND BLOOD ,sacrificed, consumed FIRST throughout creation. Then sacrificed on the cross as a human, TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, and redeemed all, and reconciled all in himself.

    Through His death He eliminated Satan's spirit throughout the entire of our creation,and He became the sole proprietor sealed by  sending the Holy Spirit as the GIFT OF GOD TO ABIDE IN OUR SOUL A SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS.

    1John5:6 This is he that came by WATER AND BLOOD, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood.

    Notice the emphasis, So Jesus' Spirit came down from heaven in water and blood, and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, obvious because blood signify MATTER, Matter is not of God, since God is spiritual, so BLOOD,MATTER, signify LUCIFER that’s why it cannot inherits God’s kingdom. So Jesus’ Spirit left the Father and entered the spirit of LUCIFER. Genesis 1:3….. let there be light,….  John1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS , and  was sent into the world in order to transform LUCIFER  and his ANGELS into MATTER,  create our world between good and evil, negative and positive, soul, and flesh, water and blood, and redeemed all, demonstrated on the cross through His heart when it was pierced by the lance. BOTH CAME OUT THROUGH HIS HEART,SINCE BOTH CAME DOWN IN HIM FROM HEAVEN,AND BECAME ONE MYSTICAL BODY, SPIRIT AND MATTER, FLESH AND SOUL.

    GOLGOTHA ALL IN JESUS

    Jesus as the LAST man of the OT  ( BUT SINLESS, REDEEMER)
    The bad thief as the LAST spirit of Satan of the OT ( TOTALLY BLIND )
    The good thief as the LAST DEAD soul of the OT ( SAVED BY JESUS)

    THEY ALL DIED AND WERE TRANSFORMED IN A NEW MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS.

    WE AS CHRISTHIANS, JESUS' CHURCH,ARE MEMBERS OF HIS MYSTICAL BODY,SHOULD LIVE IN HIM AND IMITATE HIM AS THE NEW MEN.  

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    GOOD TRY BUT NO SALE

    I AM SURE YOU CAN DANCE THE TWIST VERY WELL :D

    July 1, 2012 at 9:02 pm#304759
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2012,01:45)
    CHARLES

    Quote
    Journey 42,

    WRONG!!

    Humbly speaking:
    You simply confirmed that you are not aware what you posted, WITH EVERY RESPECT for the simple reason that you contradicted yourself WITH THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED  

    Now reflect:

    For the invisible things of him (God in Jesus’Spirit) from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN!!    

    SO IF IT IS CLEARLY SEEN GOD IS VISBLE.

    SO WHATEVER IS VISIBLE, IS THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD HIMSELF IN THE SPIRIT OF JESUS TRANSFORMED INTO MATTER SINCE:

    ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    ALL BY HIS SPIRIT, ALL IN HIS SPIRIT, ALL FOR HIS SPIRIT.

    THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY JESUS’ SPIRIT
    THE ENITRE CREATION IS MANIFESTED I N JESUS’ SPIRIT
    THE ENTIRE CREATION  WOULD  GLORIFY FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT.

    1Colossians 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    SO GOD IS NOT INVISIBLE AT ALL!!!

    When one reflects on the words “ALL IN HIM” It is quite obvious ,that since ALL in His Spirit, one would be aware that JESUS’ SPIRIT WAS TOTALLY CONSUMED IN WHATEVER IS CREATED, AND THE LAST TO BE CONSUMED IN WAS  MARY’S BODY, THE IMMACULATE SUBSTANCE WHICH GOD THE FATHER REQUIRED TO BE BORN AS MAN/GOD  IN JESUS AS MESSIAH.

    One should reflect more and in depth on hereunder:

    John6:39  And this is the Father's WILL which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me (THE KINGDOM) I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day

    that of all which he hath given me,

    WHAT DID THE FATHER GIVE TO HIS SON, ?

    Further up  in Colossians 1:13 It is quite obvious that the Father gave to His Son the KINGDOM, for the simple reason that the Father used His Son’s Spirit to create the entire creation, AND ON THE LAST DAY, JESUS HIMSELF,  WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY, AND GLORIFY IT  IN HIS MYSTICAL BODY AS HIS KINGDOM, FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN, IN HIS FULNESS FOR ETERNITY.

    I should lose nothing,

    SO THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY,IN,AND FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT,AND THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD GLORIFY.
    NOTHING WOULD BE LOST. So who would not be saved in this CARNAL term, definitely would be saved in a different term in the far away future.

    but should raise it up again at the last day .

    SO HERE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE HIMSELF WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY ON THE LAST DAY[/B]

    SO! It all depends ENTIRELY on us, and how we behave throughout our lives GENERALLY in relation to our entire creation.
    Our creation therefore, is Jesus’ spiritual substance, THE SOURCE OF BOTH SPIRIT AND MATTER, BOTH SOULS,AND FLESH, BOTH WATER AND BLOOD ,sacrificed, consumed FIRST throughout creation. Then sacrificed on the cross as a human, TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, and redeemed all, and reconciled all in himself.

    Through His death He eliminated Satan's spirit throughout the entire of our creation,and He became the sole proprietor sealed by  sending the Holy Spirit as the GIFT OF GOD TO ABIDE IN OUR SOUL A SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS.

    1John5:6 This is he that came by WATER AND BLOOD, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood.

    Notice the emphasis, So Jesus' Spirit came down from heaven in water and blood, and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, obvious because blood signify MATTER, Matter is not of God, since God is spiritual, so BLOOD,MATTER, signify LUCIFER that’s why it cannot inherits God’s kingdom. So Jesus’ Spirit left the Father and entered the spirit of LUCIFER. Genesis 1:3….. let there be light,….  John1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS , and  was sent into the world in order to transform LUCIFER  and his ANGELS into MATTER,  create our world between good and evil, negative and positive, soul, and flesh, water and blood, and redeemed all, demonstrated on the cross through His heart when it was pierced by the lance. BOTH CAME OUT THROUGH HIS HEART,SINCE BOTH CAME DOWN IN HIM FROM HEAVEN,AND BECAME ONE MYSTICAL BODY, SPIRIT AND MATTER, FLESH AND SOUL.

    GOLGOTHA ALL IN JESUS

    Jesus as the LAST man of the OT  ( BUT SINLESS, REDEEMER)
    The bad thief as the LAST spirit of Satan of the OT ( TOTALLY BLIND )
    The good thief as the LAST DEAD soul of the OT ( SAVED BY JESUS)

    THEY ALL DIED AND WERE TRANSFORMED IN A NEW MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS.

    WE AS CHRISTHIANS, JESUS' CHURCH,ARE MEMBERS OF HIS MYSTICAL BODY,SHOULD LIVE IN HIM AND IMITATE HIM AS THE NEW MEN.  

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    GOOD TRY BUT NO SALE

    I AM SURE YOU CAN DANCE THE TWIST VERY WELL :D


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    GOOD TRY BUT NO SALE

    Terraricca,

    Freely received,freely is given.

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    July 1, 2012 at 9:12 pm#304760
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2012,20:52)

    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)

    Quote (journey42 @ June 25 2012,15:37)

    Quote (carmel @ June 25 2012,03:43)
    E


    Hi Charles

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    Explain how God is manifested in the entire creation in His Son's Spirit,with the power of the Holy Spirit,in so many vasts, versatiles, visible and invisible creatures which all own a spirit of their own,and God is still in His original state as He was before creation.

    Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Colossians 1:16   For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    God is invisible to us as we cannot see him, nor have we heard his voice right?  
    Yet, look around, the earth is so complex itself, without even mentioning the universe.  
    Everything works in harmony.  
    How did everything get here?
    How did it all balance?  
    We only have to look around us and we see evidence everywhere that things were put here that man could not possibly create.
    Man cannot create or control the sun, or the moon,
    or the earth that spins on it's axis
    or the planets that align in perfect position orbiting the sun
    man did not create the stars, or the oceans
    or the springs of waters, or the land
    and the animals that inhabit our land and waters
    or the fruit and vegetables we need to eat
    and the trees that give shade, beauty and food to not only us,
    but to animals and insects
    Man did not create the winds to blow, the ocean currents, or the rain, or the tides, and the seasons we have,
    and man did not create man

    So look around us, everything is here, and yet how did it appear?
    We do not know God's wisdom and how he created it, for it is too complex for us to understand, yet it exists and the evidence of his creation is all around
    But we know from what he tells us
    is that everything was made through his WORD.
    He commands, and the Word executes
    God says let their be light, and the WORD acts..performs
    Everything was made through his Word.
    And that WORD was always with him from the beginning
    and God transformed that WORD, and turned it into flesh
    and gave his word a name…Jesus, and called him his son and gave him an identity so he can come to our level and reveal the true God to us, and show us
    that everything is possible, and can be humanly done if we hear his Fathers voice which he speaks through him.
    Now we can hear God's voice and see him, as Jesus is the mirror image of his Father, the exact replica of our God which is hidden from the world.
    And everything was made by THE WORD, and for THE WORD
    and this WORD is now called JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD OF GOD
    And God is giving all the glory to his SON, which glorifies his FATHER,
    and by Christ receiving this glory, he will return, and take charge and the kingdoms of this world will be no more, as Christ will set up his own kingdom and rule in righteousness
    to put an end to evil, and sift out those who do not want to be a part of God's marvellous plan.
    So Christ will clean up the earth, what man has destroyed,
    and will hand the kingdom back over to his Father, our God which created everything through him, and for him, for this purpose,
    and God himself will be with us,
    only when Christs work is fully completed, and all evil destroyed.


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    Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Colossians 1:16   For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    God is invisible to us as we cannot see him, nor have we heard his voice right?  

     

    Journey 42,

    WRONG!!

    Humbly speaking:
    You simply confirmed that you are not aware what you posted, WITH EVERY RESPECT for the simple reason that you contradicted yourself WITH THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED  

    Now reflect:

    For the invisible things of him (God in Jesus’Spirit) from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN!!    

    SO IF IT IS CLEARLY SEEN GOD IS VISBLE.

    SO WHATEVER IS VISIBLE, IS THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD HIMSELF IN THE SPIRIT OF JESUS TRANSFORMED INTO MATTER SINCE:

    ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    ALL BY HIS SPIRIT, ALL IN HIS SPIRIT, ALL FOR HIS SPIRIT.

    THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY JESUS’ SPIRIT
    THE ENITRE CREATION IS MANIFESTED I N JESUS’ SPIRIT
    THE ENTIRE CREATION  WOULD  GLORIFY FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT.

    1Colossians 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    SO GOD IS NOT INVISIBLE AT ALL!!!

    When one reflects on the words “ALL IN HIM” It is quite obvious ,that since ALL in His Spirit, one would be aware that JESUS’ SPIRIT WAS TOTALLY CONSUMED IN WHATEVER IS CREATED, AND THE LAST TO BE CONSUMED IN WAS  MARY’S BODY, THE IMMACULATE SUBSTANCE WHICH GOD THE FATHER REQUIRED TO BE BORN AS MAN/GOD  IN JESUS AS MESSIAH.

    One should reflect more and in depth on hereunder:

    John6:39  And this is the Father's WILL which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me (THE KINGDOM) I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day

    that of all which he hath given me,

    WHAT DID THE FATHER GIVE TO HIS SON, ?

    Further up  in Colossians 1:13 It is quite obvious that the Father gave to His Son the KINGDOM, for the simple reason that the Father used His Son’s Spirit to create the entire creation, AND ON THE LAST DAY, JESUS HIMSELF,  WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY, AND GLORIFY IT  IN HIS MYSTICAL BODY AS HIS KINGDOM, FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN, IN HIS FULNESS FOR ETERNITY.

    I should lose nothing,

    SO THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY,IN,AND FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT,AND THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD GLORIFY.
    NOTHING WOULD BE LOST. So who would not be saved in this CARNAL term, definitely would be saved in a different term in the far away future.

    but should raise it up again at the last day .

    SO HERE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE HIMSE
    LF WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY ON THE LAST DAY[/B]

    SO! It all depends ENTIRELY on us, and how we behave throughout our lives GENERALLY in relation to our entire creation.
    Our creation therefore, is Jesus’ spiritual substance, THE SOURCE OF BOTH SPIRIT AND MATTER, BOTH SOULS,AND FLESH, BOTH WATER AND BLOOD ,sacrificed, consumed FIRST throughout creation. Then sacrificed on the cross as a human, TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, and redeemed all, and reconciled all in himself.

    Through His death He eliminated Satan's spirit throughout the entire of our creation,and He became the sole proprietor sealed by  sending the Holy Spirit as the GIFT OF GOD TO ABIDE IN OUR SOUL A SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS.

    1John5:6 This is he that came by WATER AND BLOOD, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood.

    Notice the emphasis, So Jesus' Spirit came down from heaven in water and blood, and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, obvious because blood signify MATTER, Matter is not of God, since God is spiritual, so BLOOD,MATTER, signify LUCIFER that’s why it cannot inherits God’s kingdom. So Jesus’ Spirit left the Father and entered the spirit of LUCIFER. Genesis 1:3….. let there be light,….  John1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS , and  was sent into the world in order to transform LUCIFER  and his ANGELS into MATTER,  create our world between good and evil, negative and positive, soul, and flesh, water and blood, and redeemed all, demonstrated on the cross through His heart when it was pierced by the lance. BOTH CAME OUT THROUGH HIS HEART,SINCE BOTH CAME DOWN IN HIM FROM HEAVEN,AND BECAME ONE MYSTICAL BODY, SPIRIT AND MATTER, FLESH AND SOUL.

    GOLGOTHA ALL IN JESUS

    Jesus as the LAST man of the OT  ( BUT SINLESS, REDEEMER)
    The bad thief as the LAST spirit of Satan of the OT ( TOTALLY BLIND )
    The good thief as the LAST DEAD soul of the OT ( SAVED BY JESUS)

    THEY ALL DIED AND WERE TRANSFORMED IN A NEW MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS.

    WE AS CHRISTHIANS, JESUS' CHURCH,ARE MEMBERS OF HIS MYSTICAL BODY,SHOULD LIVE IN HIM AND IMITATE HIM AS THE NEW MEN.   
     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    God is right again and again.
    He said'' the world has gone mad.
    heaping up to themselves doctrines of devils.1 tim 4:1.

    wakeup.


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    God is right again and again.
    He said'' the world has gone mad.
    heaping up to themselves doctrines of devils.1 tim 4:1.

    Wakeup,

    WAKE UP

    Galatians:1:10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    July 1, 2012 at 11:43 pm#304782
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 01 2012,08:04)


    Hi Charles

    Sorry I took so long to answer. The more I read, the more confused I became in trying to understand your explanation.

    Last time I checked, God is not visible to us.
    His creation is however.
    Everything was made by the Word, and even before the Word became flesh.
    So everything that was made, was evident from the beginning that a creator put it there, and we know who that creator is.

    I appreciate your lengthy explanation, but it is only confusion. The truth is so simple and easy to understand. God is not confusion.

    July 2, 2012 at 3:08 am#304800
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2012,14:18)

    Quote (jammin @ June 29 2012,19:02)
    mike

    you and your father have the SAME form or nature
    you are both TRULY MAN or HUMAN

    and by nature, you are both not all powerful. that is the nature of MAN

    but Christ and his father ARE BOTH GOD by nature or form
    and by nature, they are all powerful. bec that is the nature of GOD


    Yes jammin,

    My father was A man who begot a DIFFERENT man.  My father was not THE ONE AND ONLY MAN who begot THE ONE AND ONLY MAN.

    There was a time when Adam was THE most high man, because he was the only one.  But who did Adam beget?  A DIFFERENT man?  Or did he beget THE most high man (himself)?

    If our ONE AND ONLY God begot a Son, then He surely didn't beget HIMSELF, but someone DIFFERENT than Him.

    Think, jammin.  Jesus is God's SON, not the God whose Son he is.


    adam is not all powerful by nature
    are you all powerful by nature??

    or you have the same nature (not all powerful) ?
    yes or no?

    July 2, 2012 at 9:37 pm#304832
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    jammin,

    You are confused about “nature”.  A very strong gorilla can beget a weakling gorilla.  That weak one could go on to beget the strongest gorilla that ever lived.

    jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed?  YES or NO?

    July 3, 2012 at 7:23 am#304881
    jammin
    Participant

    im not asking for your explanation boy. that very strong gorilla is still not the almighty by nature. bec HE STILL HAVE WEAKNESSES. THAT IS THEIR NATURE! JUST LIKE MAN!
    just answer my question

    i already gave the meaning of nature here boy

    are you afraid to answer mine?

    July 3, 2012 at 4:33 pm#304903
    terraricca
    Participant

    Mike

    J is back on a juvenile trip ,you should let him grow longer ,so he would be more stable :D

    July 3, 2012 at 11:38 pm#304914
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,14:24)
    mike,

    show me what you have got.
    do not make stories.

    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

    you can ask for help


    Jammin.

    You need to read 1John 5:20 again and again.
    it says '' and this is the true God.

    wakeup.

    July 4, 2012 at 4:59 am#304915
    jammin
    Participant

    wake up

    i read that already
    and it says that the father is the true GOD
    the son is the true GOD
    they have the same nature according to john 1.1
    and john believes that the SON is GOD!

    paul believes that the SON has the nature or form of GOD
    he is GOD and not god

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    July 4, 2012 at 5:00 am#304916
    jammin
    Participant

    T

    believe it or not

    the bible says that.

    make your own bible :D

    July 4, 2012 at 6:32 am#304919
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 04 2012,10:38)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,14:24)
    mike,

    show me what you have got.
    do not make stories.

    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

    you can ask for help


    Jammin.

    You need to read 1John 5:20 again and again.
    it says '' and this is the true God.

    wakeup.


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    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

     

    understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Wakeup,

    read hereunder verse 21 and explain:

    WHO IS THE ONE, WHOM THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS GOD, AND NEVER GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD

    IS IT A REFERENCE TO THE FATHER, OR TO THE SON.???

    Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  

    21 BECAUSE THAT, WHEN THEY KNEW GOD,THEY HAVE NOT GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD,

    or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    charles

    July 4, 2012 at 6:32 am#304920
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    jammin it is easy to prove that Jesus is not the true God in 1 John 5:20

    20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    Notice that the true God has a son in this verse. If Jesus is the one being referred to here, then Jesus has a son.

    Jesus doesn't have a son jammin, the Father does though.

    Case closed. Jesus is not the true God in this verse.

    July 4, 2012 at 6:48 am#304921
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2012,08:37)
    jammin,

    You are confused about “nature”.  A very strong gorilla can beget a weakling gorilla.  That weak one could go on to beget the strongest gorilla that ever lived.

    jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed?  YES or NO?


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    jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed?  YES or NO?

    Mike,

    DEFINE GOD ALMIGHTY WITHOUT MENTIONING THE SON

    TO REMIND YOU REFLECT ALSO ON HEREUNDER.

    1John 1: For the life was manifested; and we have seen and do bear witness, and declare unto you the life eternal,

    ( JESUS CHRIST)

    which was with the Father, and hath appeared to us

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    July 4, 2012 at 9:42 am#304926
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 04 2012,17:32)

    Quote (Wakeup @ July 04 2012,10:38)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,14:24)
    mike,

    show me what you have got.
    do not make stories.

    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

    you can ask for help


    Jammin.

    You need to read 1John 5:20 again and again.
    it says '' and this is the true God.

    wakeup.


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    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

     

    understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Wakeup,

    read hereunder verse 21 and explain:

    WHO IS THE ONE, WHOM THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS GOD, AND NEVER GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD

    IS IT A REFERENCE TO THE FATHER, OR TO THE SON.???

    Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  

    21 BECAUSE THAT, WHEN THEY KNEW GOD,THEY HAVE NOT GLORIFIED HIM AS GOD,

    or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Peace and love in Jesus

    charles


    Thank you for that Carmel,but its much deeper than that.

    wakeup.

    July 4, 2012 at 11:20 am#304928
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ July 04 2012,17:32)
    jammin it is easy to prove that Jesus is not the true God in 1 John 5:20

    20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    Notice that the true God has a son in this verse. If Jesus is the one being referred to here, then Jesus has a son.

    Jesus doesn't have a son jammin, the Father does though.

    Case closed. Jesus is not the true God in this verse.


    the verse says that the father is truly GOD and the son is truly GOD.

    your father is truly MAN, how about you? are not you truly MAN?
    yes or no?

    do not add your opinion in the bible
    let the bible speak
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    July 4, 2012 at 11:23 am#304929
    jammin
    Participant

    LOL
    you mean, he needs to have a son for him to be a TRUE GOD?
    your logic is non sense! LOL

    the bible says that the father has a son and that is Christ. so what is wrong with that? that does not mean that the son is not truly GOD by nature. LOL

    go to school and study logic boy!

    your father is a truly MAN, therefore if i am going to follow your non sense logic, you are not a TRULY MAN! LOL

    July 4, 2012 at 3:22 pm#304940
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    You should look to John 17:3 – since 1John 5:20 confuses you.
    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    1. YHVH – the only true God
    2. Jesus Christ – whom you sent

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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