Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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June 24, 2012 at 5:13 pm#303902

journey42

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journey42,June wrote:

Charles, I think you misunderstood me, of course God is not a person. This is what I stated.

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John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Hi Charles

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journey42,

So according to you since God has SEVEN SPIRITS HE IS SPLIT???

Read what I posted you. Does this look like I said what you implied?

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Charles, God is not split up into seven spirits. He is one

You have absolutely twisted my words again.
I will answer you the rest tomorrow.

June 24, 2012 at 5:54 pm#303908

terraricca

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bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is made of

only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM;

you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god .

the form in verse 6 of phil 2 refers to the nature.
why dont you go to school first and study hard.
greek scholars know that form in phil 2.6 refers to christ as being GOD.
before he took the form of MAN, he was in the form of GOD or GOD.

the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both God. that is their nature, GOD

just like you and your father
you are both HUMAN or MAN
that is your form or nature.

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the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both Gods. that is their nature, GOD

I agree with that but God almighty is a greater God because he his the father of god the son and so give birth to him,and by being second Christ his not first ,and only god almighty his the beginning of creation and his first creation is his SON

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his first creation is his SON

Terraricca,

How did you conclude that He was created???

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

Charles

was God alone at one time

is God omnipotente

what is it that you call creation

and this you have discussed with Mike,T8,and me in another topic

so you should know the scriptures like Col 1;14-20 and…..

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was God alone at one time

is God omnipotente

what is it that you call creation

and this you have discussed with Mike,T8,and me in another topic

so you should know the scriptures like Col 1;14-20 and…..

Terraricca,

From the above you simply confirmed that you are not clear, SO

I repeat:

What convinced you that the Son was created??

I want it in BLACK AND WHITE THROUGH YOUR OWN TONGUE NOT SIMPLY POST SCRIPTURES.

SO DECLARE YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING TO PROVE THAT YOU KNOW THE TRUTH!!

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

Charles

I am sorry but you will have to relly on the scriptures, and I am to tired to discuss and re discuss what is plainly stated in scriptures if you let them talk,

but you will not let scriptures talk unless it agrees with you ,

it is your live you looking after not mine ,i look after my own and have let scriptures as they are into my heart and so follow it ,

please look up the TOPIC `”preexistance of Christ ” 1 and 2

it will answer all your questions need,

June 25, 2012 at 4:37 am#304076

journey42

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carmel,June wrote:

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Hi Charles

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Explain how God is manifested in the entire creation in His Son's Spirit,with the power of the Holy Spirit,in so many vasts, versatiles, visible and invisible creatures which all own a spirit of their own,and God is still in His original state as He was before creation.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

God is invisible to us as we cannot see him, nor have we heard his voice right?
Yet, look around, the earth is so complex itself, without even mentioning the universe.
Everything works in harmony.
How did everything get here?
How did it all balance?
We only have to look around us and we see evidence everywhere that things were put here that man could not possibly create.
Man cannot create or control the sun, or the moon,
or the earth that spins on it's axis
or the planets that align in perfect position orbiting the sun
man did not create the stars, or the oceans
or the springs of waters, or the land
and the animals that inhabit our land and waters
or the fruit and vegetables we need to eat
and the trees that give shade, beauty and food to not only us,
but to animals and insects
Man did not create the winds to blow, the ocean currents, or the rain, or the tides, and the seasons we have,
and man did not create man

So look around us, everything is here, and yet how did it appear?
We do not know God's wisdom and how he created it, for it is too complex for us to understand, yet it exists and the evidence of his creation is all around
But we know from what he tells us
is that everything was made through his WORD.
He commands, and the Word executes
God says let their be light, and the WORD acts..performs
Everything was made through his Word.
And that WORD was always with him from the beginning
and God transformed that WORD, and turned it into flesh
and gave his word a name…Jesus, and called him his son and gave him an identity so he can come to our level and reveal the true God to us, and show us
that everything is possible, and can be humanly done if we hear his Fathers voice which he speaks through him.
Now we can hear God's voice and see him, as Jesus is the mirror image of his Father, the exact replica of our God which is hidden from the world.
And everything was made by THE WORD, and for THE WORD
and this WORD is now called JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD OF GOD
And God is giving all the glory to his SON, which glorifies his FATHER,
and by Christ receiving this glory, he will return, and take charge and the kingdoms of this world will be no more, as Christ will set up his own kingdom and rule in righteousness
to put an end to evil, and sift out those who do not want to be a part of God's marvellous plan.
So Christ will clean up the earth, what man has destroyed,
and will hand the kingdom back over to his Father, our God which created everything through him, and for him, for this purpose,
and God himself will be with us,
only when Christs work is fully completed, and all evil destroyed.

June 25, 2012 at 5:13 am#304081

journey42

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carmel,June wrote:

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Hi Charles

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Explain how on the last day all these creatures would be totally united in ONE JESUS MYSTICAL BODY and still remain in myriad spirits and flesh,AND ALSO THE MANIFESTATION OF ONE GOD ALMIGHTY FOR ETERNITY!!

When Jesus says my Father and I are one, does he mean that they are one and the same? Does he mean that he is God the Father, and the Father is him?

When Christ says that we are one with the Father and him, does that mean that we are now God? or we are now Christ? or Christ is now me, and God is now you?

Being one is unity in the spirit. The same truth, the same doctrine, the same purpose
following the will of God and being part of the body (true church, Zion)

So, at the appointed time, when Christ returns
all those who are resurrected to join with Christ will be one heavenly true spiritual family. All individual members will be knit together in unity, with the same inheritance, the same purpose, the same spirit which is holy and comes from God. But we will never be greater than our master, and Christ will always be Lord over us, though he shares everything he has inherited with us, and also gives us power of authority to rule with him.

There is always order in Christ's kingdom, and even Christ is under his Father, and the Father entrusts him to rule because he has proven that he is worthy and does everything for his Father's glory, and never puts his name to shame.

So I do not quite understand what you are asking me, but I know there are false doctrines out there that distort the truth, and I know nothing about you, what you believe, or where you are from, if you are just learning, or have been studying for a long time, but there are things you have stated that I don't agree with, and you appear to be not agreeing with me, so here we have two different spirits, although we worship the same God. For there is the spirit of truth, and spirit of error, and one of us has either, but if all pride is put away, and the truth is of most importance, then we can find out through the scriptures which will be our judge, and put aside all church teachings for the moment as we concentrate on what God has to say first.

June 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm#304332

carmel

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not equal in rank, but not in human nature. do you know what you are saying boy? LOL
obama is still not all powerful. he is not GOD but only human.
he is not eternal. he is not all knowing. but you and obama are equal in nature, HUMAN. you are both human or MAN.

obama by nature is not created. just like you boy LOL

but GOD is not the same as human. the father and the son have the same nature or form and that is GOD.

paul said they are equal

Philippians 2:6

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.

but you are not accepting this truth. study hard boy!

make your own bible boy. LOL

Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,NIV

Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:KJV

Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,NASV

Phil 2:6 who, subsisting in the form of God, did not esteem it an object of rapine to be on an equality with God;DARBY

Phil 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,KJRV

sins you stuck on this verse ,tell me why Christ called his father his God simple question please give me a simple answer

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sins you stuck on this verse ,tell me why Christ called his father his God

simple question please give me a simple answer

Teraricca,

THIS IS YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER

TELL ME WHY THE FATHER CALLED HIS SON MY GOD?

Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God,is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God , thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Peace and love in Jesus the ONLY true GOD

CHARLES

HI CHARLES

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THIS IS YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER

TELL ME WHY THE FATHER CALLED HIS SON MY GOD?

Heb 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Heb 1:4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father’” ?

Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son” ?

Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Heb 1:7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire.”

Heb 1:8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

now were does it say that God almighty called his son “MY GOD” ??

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]now were does it say that God almighty called his son “MY GOD”

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erraricca,

First of all I said :

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THIS IS YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER

TELL ME WHY THE FATHER CALLED HIS SON MY GOD?

So I didn't say God Almighty But THE FATHER.

GOD ALMIGHTY IS A MYSTERIOUS TITLE.

I NEVER READ THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, OR THE ALMIGHTY THE FATHER, ONLY THE LORD ALMIGHTY. DID YOU???

NO ONE ON EARTH IS CAPABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT ACTUALLY IS,AND WHAT ALMIGHTY GOD IS COMPOSED OF, EXCEPT THAT HE IS A COMLEX SPIRIT.

I SAID GOD THE FATHER, AND HE IS THE FIRST PERSON OF THE GODHEAD OF GOD ALMIGHTY

NOW TELL ME :

What is the difference between LORD GOD, AND LORD.IN THE SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER??

And the man bowed down his head, and worshipped the LORD. 27And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of my master Abraham, who hath not left destitute my master of his mercy and his truth: I being in the way, the LORD led me to the house of my master's brethren.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

June 27, 2012 at 8:35 pm#304349

carmel

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Hi Charles

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When Jesus says my Father and I are one, does he mean that they are one and the same? Does he mean that he is God the Father, and the Father is him?

When Christ says that we are one with the Father and him, does that mean that we are now God? or we are now Christ? or Christ is now me, and God is now you?

Being one is unity in the spirit. The same truth, the same doctrine, the same purpose
following the will of God and being part of the body (true church, Zion)

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When Jesus says my Father and I are one, does he mean that they are one and the same? Does he mean that he is God the Father, and the Father is him?

journey42,

In the context which Jesus was talking about he meant that:

HE AS HUMAN AND THE FATHER, AS SPIRIT WITHIN HIS SOUL FORM A DIVINE BEING IN FLESH, THE MESSIAH.

JESUS EMPHASIZED THIS MANY TIMES :LET'S SEE:

JOHN 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father;

(AS A SPIRIT IN HIM)

for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, MAKEST YOURSELF GOD.

( SO JESUS, ACCORDING TO THE JEWS WHO WERE EXPERT REGARDING THEIR GOD,CONCLUDED THAT JESUS CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS GOD. SO IT IS NOT AS YOU ARE INSINUATING, WITH EVERY REPECT)

34sus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath SANCTIFIED,

( HOW THE FATHER SANCTIFIED HIS SON?? IT ISN'T THROUGH HIS OWN SPIRIT WITHIN JESUS’ SOUL?? IT ISN'T THE FATHER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THE SON'S SOUL AS A HUMAN, GOD/MAN, IN HYPOSTATIC UNION IN JESUS???)

and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON OF GOD?

(ONLY SINCE HE IS HUMAN, AND TILL HE DIED AND GLORIFIED,BOTH HIM AND THE FATHER AND UNITED THEMSELVES AS ONE GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY TILL THE LAST DAY,WHEN THE SON FULFILLS HIS PROCESS, AND UNIFY THE ENTIRE CREATION IN HIS MYSTICAL BODY FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN,FOR ETERNITY. ALL RECONCILED IN JESUS' SPIRIT, BY JESUS' SPIRIT, FOR JESUS' SPIRIT)

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father IS IN ME,( AS MAN) and I IN HIM.( AS GOD)

(WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO BELIEVE,THAT JESUS AS MAN HAD THE FATHER SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL???

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS STILL MAINTAINED HIS DIVINITY IN THE FATHER IN HEAVEN ALTHOUGH HE BECAME MAN??

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

notice : THE SON OF MAN WHICH IS IN HEAVEN!!! WHILE HE WAS IN THE WORLD !!!!

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM, and HAVE SEEN HIM.

(AGAIN HE IS MAKING IT CLEAR: SINCE THEY KNOW HIM, THEY ALSO SHOULD KNOW HIS FATHER, AND FROM THEN ON THEY HAVE SEEN HIM. SO JESUS IS THE FATHER IN FLESH)

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;

JESUS IS EMPHASIZING HERE: HE THAT SEEN ME HAD SEEN THE FATHER. ARE YOU STILL IN DOUBT THAT JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE BEING, ONE NATURE OF GOD. “ THE RADIANCE OF THE GLORY OF GOD AND THE EXACT IMPRINT OF HIS NATURE.” Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,

and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

AGAIN REPEATING TO MAKE SURE FOR ALL THOSE WHO READ SCRIPTURES, IN ORDER TO NEVER BE IN DOUBT THAT HE IS GOD THE FATHER IN FLESH[/B]

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:( AS A HUMAN) but the Father (AS A SPIRIT)that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

SO JESUS HERE IS DETERMINED TO ELIMINATE ALL DOUBTS, THAT HE IS THE FATHER IN FLESH,EVEN WHEN HE SPEAKS,AND WORKS.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

HOW PETIENT JESUS WAS, AND HOW CONVINCING HE WANTED,AND HAD TO BE, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS FATHER IS MANIFESTED FULLY IN HIM AS HUMAN TILL HE DIED AND GLORIFIED AND BECAME ONE MYSTICAL BODY HIM AND THE FATHER.

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me,(THAT HE IS THE FATHER IN FLESH) the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

(SO ALL THE DISCIPLES HAD TO DO WAS, SIMPLY MENTION HIS NAME AND ALL IS DONE!!)

14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

( AGAIN HE REPEATED THE SAME THING,NOTICE TWICE HE SAID: I WILL DO IT, NOT MY F
ATHER WILL DO IT!!! AND NOT ASKING THE FATHER IN MY NAME, BUT ANYTHING IN MY NAME, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNIFIED AS ONE GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY )

39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

June 27, 2012 at 9:11 pm#304350

terraricca

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charles

GE 17:1 Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him,
“I am God Almighty;
Walk before Me, and be blameless.
GE 28:3 “May God Almighty bless you and make you fruitful and multiply you, that you may become a company of peoples.
GE 35:11 God also said to him,
“I am God Almighty;
Be fruitful and multiply;
A nation and a company of nations shall come from you,
And kings shall come forth from you.
GE 43:14 and may God Almighty grant you compassion in the sight of the man, so that he will release to you your other brother and Benjamin. And as for me, if I am bereaved of my children, I am bereaved.”
GE 48:3 Then Jacob said to Joseph, “ God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me,
EX 6:3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.
EZE 10:5 Moreover, the sound of the wings of the cherubim was heard as far as the outer court, like the voice of God Almighty when He speaks

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GOD ALMIGHTY IS A MYSTERIOUS TITLE.

LK 20:37 “But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the burning bush, where he calls the Lord THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB.
Lk 20:41 Then Jesus said to them, “How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David?
Lk 20:42 David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
Lk 20:43 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.” ’

Lk 20:44 David calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”

Jn 17:1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

“Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
Jn 17:2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
Jn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

JN 20:17 Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ ”

SO IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD DIFFERENT OF THE FATHER OF CHRIST

June 28, 2012 at 9:04 am#304406

jammin

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you have the human form or nature just like your father.
by nature, are you almighty? yes or no?
or is your father almighty by nature?
yes or no?

June 28, 2012 at 10:51 pm#304435

terraricca

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you have the human form or nature just like your father.
by nature, are you almighty? yes or no?
or is your father almighty by nature?
yes or no?

Nature as nothing to do with being ,strong,powerful,stupid,dumb,magnifisant ,beautiful ,

but NATURE IS IMPORTANT WHEN SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE YOU DO WHAT THE BEAR DOES IN HIS NATURE ,THIS IS A WRONG USE ,

ALL OF CREATION AS BEEN CREATED ,IN A DIFFERENT NATURE .

ONLY ONE WAS CREATED IN A SIMILAR NATURE THAN GOD HIMSELF,BUT THIS WILL NEVER MAKE HIM GOD BUT ONLY `A GOD “AND THIS WE KNOW WAS CHRIST ,THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON AND THE WORD OF GOD ,BEING CREATED IN GOD NATURE MEAN WHAT IF NOT A GOD ,BESIDE GOD ALMIGHTY HIS FATHER .

June 29, 2012 at 11:13 am#304512

jammin

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you have the human form or nature just like your father.
by nature, are you almighty? yes or no?
or is your father almighty by nature?
yes or no?

Nature as nothing to do with being ,strong,powerful,stupid,dumb,magnifisant ,beautiful ,

but NATURE IS IMPORTANT WHEN SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE YOU DO WHAT THE BEAR DOES IN HIS NATURE ,THIS IS A WRONG USE ,

ALL OF CREATION AS BEEN CREATED ,IN A DIFFERENT NATURE .

do you know what you are saying boy??? what different nature are you saying? LOL

you did not answer my question
ill repeat
you have the human form or nature just like your father.
by nature, are you almighty? yes or no?
or is your father almighty by nature?
yes or no?

ill give you the meaning of nature
–the fundamental qualities of a person
–identity or essential character

June 29, 2012 at 11:17 am#304513

jammin

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so you mean, you have a different form?
your father has the form of MAN
how about you? you are not MAN by form or nature? LOL
are you an animal? LOL

study hard boy.

June 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm#304522

terraricca

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you have the human form or nature just like your father.
by nature, are you almighty? yes or no?
or is your father almighty by nature?
yes or no?

Nature as nothing to do with being ,strong,powerful,stupid,dumb,magnifisant ,beautiful ,

but NATURE IS IMPORTANT WHEN SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE YOU DO WHAT THE BEAR DOES IN HIS NATURE ,THIS IS A WRONG USE ,

ALL OF CREATION AS BEEN CREATED ,IN A DIFFERENT NATURE .

do you know what you are saying boy??? what different nature are you saying? LOL

you did not answer my question
ill repeat
you have the human form or nature just like your father.
by nature, are you almighty? yes or no?
or is your father almighty by nature?
yes or no?

ill give you the meaning of nature
–the fundamental qualities of a person
–identity or essential character

you focus on the power of money not the power of wisdom,

those two have different sources

June 30, 2012 at 12:43 am#304553

jammin

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that is just your opinion
you did not answer my question
are you afraid to answer it?

you just need to pick yes or no

June 30, 2012 at 12:51 am#304554

terraricca

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that is just your opinion
you did not answer my question
are you afraid to answer it?

you just need to pick yes or no

I have answered you many times but you still are stcked on your opinion ,on one verse that it seems you do not understand ,or refuse to understand for other reasons ,

you have left many of my questions unanswered ,

again;God almighty his NOT Jesus Christ ;

and the SON of God is NOT his own father

Nature has nothing to do with it ;scriptures says that the Son of God has or is of the same nature that God his ,

it also understood that Christ the son ,is the only one that share that nature and so is it normal that he his A GOD,BUT NOT HIS FATHER ,GOD ALMIGHTY

June 30, 2012 at 12:56 am#304556

mikeboll64

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it also understood that Christ the son ,is the only one that share that nature and so is it normal that he his A GOD,BUT NOT HIS FATHER ,GOD ALMIGHTY

jammin,

The Father is a god, so naturally He would beget a different god. But since the Father is THE God Almighty, he cannot possibly beget THE God Almighty, or He would have begotten Himself.

June 30, 2012 at 1:00 am#304557

jammin

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the scripture says that. i do not a have problem with that. you just cant accept the truth mike that his son is GOD and not god by nature. they have the same nature or form

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you did not answer my question. you are just explaining but not answring my question.
i think you have a different form or nature. are you an animal? LOL

study hard boy

June 30, 2012 at 1:02 am#304558

jammin

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mike

you and your father have the SAME form or nature
you are both TRULY MAN or HUMAN

and by nature, you are both not all powerful. that is the nature of MAN

but Christ and his father ARE BOTH GOD by nature or form
and by nature, they are all powerful. bec that is the nature of GOD

June 30, 2012 at 3:15 am#304575

terraricca

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the scripture says that. i do not a have problem with that. you just cant accept the truth mike that his son is GOD and not god by nature. they have the same nature or form

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you did not answer my question. you are just explaining but not answring my question.
i think you have a different form or nature. are you an animal? LOL

study hard boy

I give you up to your dreams and fantasy enjoy,

I have nothing more to say to you

Bye boy

June 30, 2012 at 3:18 am#304576

mikeboll64

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Quote (jammin @ June 29 2012,19:02)

mike

you and your father have the SAME form or nature
you are both TRULY MAN or HUMAN

and by nature, you are both not all powerful. that is the nature of MAN

but Christ and his father ARE BOTH GOD by nature or form
and by nature, they are all powerful. bec that is the nature of GOD

Yes jammin,

My father was A man who begot a DIFFERENT man. My father was not THE ONE AND ONLY MAN who begot THE ONE AND ONLY MAN.

There was a time when Adam was THE most high man, because he was the only one. But who did Adam beget? A DIFFERENT man? Or did he beget THE most high man (himself)?

If our ONE AND ONLY God begot a Son, then He surely didn't beget HIMSELF, but someone DIFFERENT than Him.

Think, jammin. Jesus is God's SON, not the God whose Son he is.

June 30, 2012 at 9:04 pm#304670

carmel

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Quote (journey42 @ June 25 2012,15:37)

Quote (carmel @ June 25 2012,03:43)

Hi Charles

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God is invisible to us as we cannot see him, nor have we heard his voice right?

Journey 42,

WRONG!!

Humbly speaking:
You simply confirmed that you are not aware what you posted, WITH EVERY RESPECT for the simple reason that you contradicted yourself WITH THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED

Now reflect:

For the invisible things of him (God in Jesus’Spirit) from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN!!

SO IF IT IS CLEARLY SEEN GOD IS VISBLE.

SO WHATEVER IS VISIBLE, IS THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD HIMSELF IN THE SPIRIT OF JESUS TRANSFORMED INTO MATTER SINCE:

ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

ALL BY HIS SPIRIT, ALL IN HIS SPIRIT, ALL FOR HIS SPIRIT.

THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY JESUS’ SPIRIT
THE ENITRE CREATION IS MANIFESTED I N JESUS’ SPIRIT
THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD GLORIFY FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT.

1Colossians 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

SO GOD IS NOT INVISIBLE AT ALL!!!

When one reflects on the words “ALL IN HIM” It is quite obvious ,that since ALL in His Spirit, one would be aware that JESUS’ SPIRIT WAS TOTALLY CONSUMED IN WHATEVER IS CREATED, AND THE LAST TO BE CONSUMED IN WAS MARY’S BODY, THE IMMACULATE SUBSTANCE WHICH GOD THE FATHER REQUIRED TO BE BORN AS MAN/GOD IN JESUS AS MESSIAH.

One should reflect more and in depth on hereunder:

John6:39 And this is the Father's WILL which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me (THE KINGDOM) I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day

that of all which he hath given me,

WHAT DID THE FATHER GIVE TO HIS SON, ?

Further up in Colossians 1:13 It is quite obvious that the Father gave to His Son the KINGDOM, for the simple reason that the Father used His Son’s Spirit to create the entire creation, AND ON THE LAST DAY, JESUS HIMSELF, WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY, AND GLORIFY IT IN HIS MYSTICAL BODY AS HIS KINGDOM, FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN, IN HIS FULNESS FOR ETERNITY.

I should lose nothing,

SO THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY,IN,AND FOR JESUS’ SPIRIT,AND THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD GLORIFY.
NOTHING WOULD BE LOST. So who would not be saved in this CARNAL term, definitely would be saved in a different term in the far away future.

but should raise it up again at the last day .

SO HERE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE HIMSELF WOULD RAISE IT UP ENTIRELY ON THE LAST DAY[/B]

SO! It all depends ENTIRELY on us, and how we behave throughout our lives GENERALLY in relation to our entire creation.
Our creation therefore, is Jesus’ spiritual substance, THE SOURCE OF BOTH SPIRIT AND MATTER, BOTH SOULS,AND FLESH, BOTH WATER AND BLOOD ,sacrificed, consumed FIRST throughout creation. Then sacrificed on the cross as a human, TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIK
E HIS BRETHREN, and redeemed all, and reconciled all in himself.

Through His death He eliminated Satan's spirit throughout the entire of our creation,and He became the sole proprietor sealed by sending the Holy Spirit as the GIFT OF GOD TO ABIDE IN OUR SOUL A SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS.

1John5:6 This is he that came by WATER AND BLOOD, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood.

Notice the emphasis, So Jesus' Spirit came down from heaven in water and blood, and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, obvious because blood signify MATTER, Matter is not of God, since God is spiritual, so BLOOD,MATTER, signify LUCIFER that’s why it cannot inherits God’s kingdom. So Jesus’ Spirit left the Father and entered the spirit of LUCIFER. Genesis 1:3….. let there be light,…. John1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS , and was sent into the world in order to transform LUCIFER and his ANGELS into MATTER, create our world between good and evil, negative and positive, soul, and flesh, water and blood, and redeemed all, demonstrated on the cross through His heart when it was pierced by the lance. BOTH CAME OUT THROUGH HIS HEART,SINCE BOTH CAME DOWN IN HIM FROM HEAVEN,AND BECAME ONE MYSTICAL BODY, SPIRIT AND MATTER, FLESH AND SOUL.

GOLGOTHA ALL IN JESUS

Jesus as the LAST man of the OT ( BUT SINLESS, REDEEMER)
The bad thief as the LAST spirit of Satan of the OT ( TOTALLY BLIND )
The good thief as the LAST DEAD soul of the OT ( SAVED BY JESUS)

THEY ALL DIED AND WERE TRANSFORMED IN A NEW MYSTICAL BODY OF JESUS.

WE AS CHRISTHIANS, JESUS' CHURCH,ARE MEMBERS OF HIS MYSTICAL BODY,SHOULD LIVE IN HIM AND IMITATE HIM AS THE NEW MEN.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

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