Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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praise GOD!

Christ is truly GOD!

June 14, 2012 at 2:49 pm#302385

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Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,04:34)

Hi Jammin,

Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
“The Bible” is best understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.

But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.

Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!

When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
“God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

you are one of those false teachers.
the son is truly God. the bible says that.
make your own bible

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the son is truly God

the son can not be the God of witch he his the son of ,

if so then all scriptures writers are liars including God and this would make YOU THE REAL LIAR, is it,

God can not lie, IF GOD SAYS HE HAS A SON THEN HE AS A SON AND HE IS NOT THAT SON RIGHT ? YES

yes the father has a son and his son is God by nature.
phil 2.6

our nature ,does not make us equal with all men ,in status only in being human ,

so it is with Christ the son of God ,

Christ has the same nature and so his “a god ” but NOT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR

June 15, 2012 at 1:17 am#302450

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not equal in rank, but not in human nature. do you know what you are saying boy? LOL
obama is still not all powerful. he is not GOD but only human.
he is not eternal. he is not all knowing. but you and obama are equal in nature, HUMAN. you are both human or MAN.

obama by nature is not created. just like you boy LOL

but GOD is not the same as human. the father and the son have the same nature or form and that is GOD.

paul said they are equal

Philippians 2:6

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.

but you are not accepting this truth. study hard boy!

make your own bible boy. LOL

June 15, 2012 at 3:42 am#302501

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Quote (jammin @ June 15 2012,19:17)

obama by nature is not created. just like you boy LOL

but GOD is not the same as human. the father and the son have the same nature or form and that is GOD.

paul said they are equal

Philippians 2:6

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.

but you are not accepting this truth. study hard boy!

make your own bible boy. LOL

Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,NIV

Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:KJV

Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,NASV

Phil 2:6 who, subsisting in the form of God, did not esteem it an object of rapine to be on an equality with God;DARBY

Phil 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,KJRV

sins you stuck on this verse ,tell me why Christ called his father his God simple question please give me a simple answer

June 15, 2012 at 10:06 am#302527

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bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

June 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm#302542

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Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:06)

bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is made of

only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM;

you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god .

June 16, 2012 at 4:59 am#302616

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Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2012,14:42)

Quote (jammin @ June 15 2012,19:17)

obama by nature is not created. just like you boy LOL

but GOD is not the same as human. the father and the son have the same nature or form and that is GOD.

paul said they are equal

Philippians 2:6

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.

but you are not accepting this truth. study hard boy!

make your own bible boy. LOL

Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,NIV

Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:KJV

Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,NASV

Phil 2:6 who, subsisting in the form of God, did not esteem it an object of rapine to be on an equality with God;DARBY

Phil 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,KJRV

sins you stuck on this verse ,tell me why Christ called his father his God simple question please give me a simple answer

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sins you stuck on this verse ,tell me why Christ called his father his God

simple question please give me a simple answer

Teraricca,

THIS IS YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER

TELL ME WHY THE FATHER CALLED HIS SON MY GOD?

Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God,is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God , thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Peace and love in Jesus the ONLY true GOD

CHARLES

June 16, 2012 at 5:16 am#302617

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Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2012,14:42)

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obama by nature is not created. just like you boy LOL

but GOD is not the same as human. the father and the son have the same nature or form and that is GOD.

paul said they are equal

Philippians 2:6

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God,
he did not take advantage of this equality.

but you are not accepting this truth. study hard boy!

make your own bible boy. LOL

Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,NIV

Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:KJV

Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,NASV

Phil 2:6 who, subsisting in the form of God, did not esteem it an object of rapine to be on an equality with God;DARBY

Phil 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,KJRV

sins you stuck on this verse ,tell me why Christ called his father his God simple question please give me a simple answer

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sins you stuck on this verse ,tell me why Christ called his father his God

simple question please give me a simple answer

Teraricca,

THIS IS YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER

TELL ME WHY THE FATHER CALLED HIS SON MY GOD?

Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God,is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God , thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Peace and love in Jesus the ONLY true GOD

CHARLES

HI CHARLES

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THIS IS YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER

TELL ME WHY THE FATHER CALLED HIS SON MY GOD?

Heb 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Heb 1:4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father’” ?

Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son” ?

Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Heb 1:7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire.”

Heb 1:8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

now were does it say that God almighty called his son “MY GOD” ??

June 17, 2012 at 4:33 am#302774

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Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2012,00:06)

Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:06)

bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is made of

only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM;

you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god .

the form in verse 6 of phil 2 refers to the nature.
why dont you go to school first and study hard.
greek scholars know that form in phil 2.6 refers to christ as being GOD.
before he took the form of MAN, he was in the form of GOD or GOD.

the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both God. that is their nature, GOD

just like you and your father
you are both HUMAN or MAN
that is your form or nature.

June 17, 2012 at 4:53 am#302777

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Quote (jammin @ June 17 2012,22:33)

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2012,00:06)

Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:06)

bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is made of

only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM;

you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god .

the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both God. that is their nature, GOD

just like you and your father
you are both HUMAN or MAN
that is your form or nature.

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the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both Gods. that is their nature, GOD

I agree with that but God almighty is a greater God because he his the father of god the son and so give birth to him,and by being second Christ his not first ,and only god almighty his the beginning of creation and his first creation is his SON

June 17, 2012 at 4:58 am#302779

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not god the son but GOD the son

the nature of GOD is almighty. if you are GOD (not god) ,you are almighty.
they are equal paul said.

just like you and your father, you are equal. you are both HUMAN
and the nature of MAN is not almighty.
you are both not almighty

June 18, 2012 at 1:13 am#302905

Ed J

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Quote (jammin @ June 17 2012,15:58)

GOD the son

(?)

June 22, 2012 at 7:44 pm#303648

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Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,15:53)

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Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:06)

bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is made of

only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM;

you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god .

the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both God. that is their nature, GOD

just like you and your father
you are both HUMAN or MAN
that is your form or nature.

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the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both Gods. that is their nature, GOD

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his first creation is his SON

Terraricca,

How did you conclude that He was created???

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

June 22, 2012 at 8:22 pm#303650

NickHassan

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Hi Jammin,
Polytheism is not of true faith.

June 22, 2012 at 9:21 pm#303657

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Quote (carmel @ June 23 2012,13:44)

Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,15:53)

Quote (jammin @ June 17 2012,22:33)

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2012,00:06)

Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:06)

bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is made of

only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM;

you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god .

the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both God. that is their nature, GOD

just like you and your father
you are both HUMAN or MAN
that is your form or nature.

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the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both Gods. that is their nature, GOD

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his first creation is his SON

Terraricca,

How did you conclude that He was created???

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

Charles

was God alone at one time

is God omnipotente

what is it that you call creation

and this you have discussed with Mike,T8,and me in another topic

so you should know the scriptures like Col 1;14-20 and…..

June 24, 2012 at 6:51 am#303888

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Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2012,08:21)

Quote (carmel @ June 23 2012,13:44)

Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,15:53)

Quote (jammin @ June 17 2012,22:33)

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2012,00:06)

Quote (jammin @ June 16 2012,04:06)

bec the father is GOD by nature. there is no wrong calling him GOD.

those versions you posted said that Christ is equal with GOD. do you accept that?

do you accept that the father also called his son GOD?

you never told me what make you believe that the nature is the thing that makes you God ,what is that nature ? and what it is made of

only some scriptures says that ;it says FORM;

you last question I have already answered by saying ;if the sons of men are man then the son of God his a god .

the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both God. that is their nature, GOD

just like you and your father
you are both HUMAN or MAN
that is your form or nature.

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the father is a GOD
the son is a GOD

they are both Gods. that is their nature, GOD

Quote

his first creation is his SON

Terraricca,

How did you conclude that He was created???

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

Charles

was God alone at one time

is God omnipotente

what is it that you call creation

and this you have discussed with Mike,T8,and me in another topic

so you should know the scriptures like Col 1;14-20 and…..

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was God alone at one time

is God omnipotente

what is it that you call creation

and this you have discussed with Mike,T8,and me in another topic

so you should know the scriptures like Col 1;14-20 and…..

Terraricca,

From the above you simply confirmed that you are not clear, SO

I repeat:

What convinced you that the Son was created??

I want it in BLACK AND WHITE THROUGH YOUR OWN TONGUE NOT SIMPLY POST SCRIPTURES.

SO DECLARE YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING TO PROVE THAT YOU KNOW THE TRUTH!!

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

June 24, 2012 at 12:43 pm#303892

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2012,07:22)

Hi Jammin,
Polytheism is not of true faith.

the bible says GOD is nature.

Philippians 2:6

New International Reader's Version (NIRV)

6 In his very nature he was God.

Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

the bible also says that there is a father, son and HS

the bible also says they have the same nature, and that is GOD

just like you and your father. you are two in numbers but ONE in nature or form and that is your human form or nature.

believe it or not

June 24, 2012 at 4:43 pm#303900