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Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • June 3, 2012 at 5:14 pm#300703
    mikeboll64
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    And when, in the three years I've been a member of HN, have you ever used such wording concerning me – or anyone else for that matter?

    You have conveyed those opinions about me plenty of times, but you've never referred to ME as “the spirit of Mike” before now.

    Why do you think that is, Ed?

    June 3, 2012 at 5:39 pm#300704
    Ed J
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2012,04:14)
    And when, in the three years I've been a member of HN, have you ever used such wording concerning me – or anyone else for that matter?

    You have conveyed those opinions about me plenty of times, but you've never referred to ME as “the spirit of Mike” before now.

    Why do you think that is, Ed?


    Hi Mike,

    I was simply using that as an analogy,
    in most cases you are not confrontational.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    June 3, 2012 at 6:00 pm#300708
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Don't divert from the point, Ed. The point is: When, in the last three years, have you ever referred to ME as “the spirit of Mike”?

    June 3, 2012 at 7:57 pm#300720
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi J,
    Teachers in the kingdom?
    Priests and rulers according to Jesus.
    But the JWs have their own doctrines on many matters.

    June 4, 2012 at 4:35 am#300793
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2012,06:57)
    Hi J,
    Teachers in the kingdom?
    Priests and rulers according to Jesus.
    But the JWs have their own doctrines on many matters.


    Yes Nick

    The kingdom will be set up on Christ's return.
    It will be set up in Jerusalem.
    You know about the millennium, you wrote a post about it.
    Christ and his saints will ruling as kings and priests.  Ruling who? and what does a priest do?

    What does this have to do with J'W's?

    June 4, 2012 at 5:11 am#300796
    jammin
    Participant

    your father is truly MAN

    are not you a truly man? yes or no?

    anyone could answer this question

    June 4, 2012 at 6:30 am#300800
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 01 2012,16:33)

    Quote (carmel @ May 31 2012,06:08)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 26 2012,04:01)
    hi caarmel. i read the whole chapter 17 of john but i cant read your belief.
    can you give e the exact verse.

    you said that the holy spirit has his own spirit. where  is that in john 17?


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    you said that the holy spirit has his own spirit. where  is that in john 17?

    Jammin,

    I said that all John 17 is a proof that the Holy Spirit is a person.

    If I ask you:

    HOW DID JESUS ACHIEVE ALL WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO,WHICH COMMENCED BY HIS GLORIFICATION, SINCE HE WAS DEAD,FOR THREE DAYS.

    YOU SIMPLY SAY THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    SO THE HOLY SPIRIT DID HIS WORK,AND TO DO HIS WORK HE HAD TO BE A PERSON.

    ALSO JESUS WAS A HUMAN BEING,AND WITHIN HIS SOUL HAD THE FATHER'S SPIRIT,BUT THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.THE FATHER REMAINED IN HEAVEN.

    THIS WAS DEMONSTRATED IN JOHN 3:34 WHICH SAYS THAT HE GIVES THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE, THEREFORE ALL THE HOLY SPIRIT, PLUS THE FULL POWER FROM THE FATHER WAS WITHIN JESUS' SOUL. THE ONLY WAY TO BE GOD ON EARTH,AS MAN. ALSO BAPTISM IS TO BE MADE :

    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND SINCE  THE THREE OF THEM ARE IN THE SAME POWER, THEY ALL ARE PERSONS.

    TO CONCLUDE:

    1 Corinthians 12:11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    Notice : it ends: AS HE WILL, and that is a reference to the Holy Spirit,and since the Holy Spirit has a will therefore HE IS A PERSON.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES


    Hi Carmel

    The holy spirit is not a person.  It is what comes forth out of God, the spirit of truth.  There is power in this type of truth.

    Jesus was given the holy spirit as well.  The holy spirit was abiding in him, and God gave it to him.
    We are also promised the holy spirit if we seek with a pure heart.
    The holy spirit did not become flesh, the Word did.
    The holy spirit delivers the truth and the power of the Word.
    If we start understanding the scriptures, then the holy spirit is there directing, nudging, guiding & revealing.  It has to grow inside us.
    The more we feed, and learn, the more our measure increases of the holy spirit.

    Jesus had the full measure of the holy spirit, he was tuned in completely with the Father…on the same frequency.
    He wants us to have the same, the fullness of it, to perfectly know God's will.

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    IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND SINCE  THE THREE OF THEM ARE IN THE SAME POWER, THEY ALL ARE PERSONS

    This does not prove they are 3 persons.  This proves that they are working in unity.  God, his Son & truth.

    journey42


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       Another thing to consider;
    when the Lamb opened up the seals in heaven, who was there to witness?
    …and round about the throne of God were 24 elders, seven spirits of God, four beasts, and thousands of angels.
    So why is the holy spirit not mentioned if it is a person?
     

    journey42

    The above is nonsense with every respect,

    IS THE FATHER MENTIONED IN ALL THE CHAPTER OF Rev 5 NO!!!

    WHERE IS THE FATHER.???

    IS THE SON MENTIONED AS SON IN ALL THE CHAPTER OF REV: 5  NO!!!

    SO WHAT'S WRONG IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT MENTIONED AS WELL.

    My question remain the same and you don't have an answer to it so read again and reflect.

    whoever has a will MUST BE A PERSON

    WILL IS AN ATTRIBUTE OF A PERSON.

    I WILL SHOW YOU MORE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON WHICH BELONG TO THE PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OTHER POSTS IN THE MEANTIME YOU SUPPLY ME WITH A CONTRADICTION THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A PERSON IN SCRIPTURE!!

    WE ARE ALL HERE TO RECEIVE LIGHT SO GIVE ME SOME LIGHT FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!!

    1 Corinthians 12:11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    Notice : it ends: AS HE WILL, and that is a reference to the Holy Spirit,and since the Holy Spirit has a will therefore HE IS A PERSON.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    June 4, 2012 at 6:34 am#300801
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi CHarles,
    When you stop relying on THEREFORES you may begin to understand scripture

    June 4, 2012 at 7:47 am#300802
    journey42
    Participant

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    The above is nonsense with every respect,

    IS THE FATHER MENTIONED IN ALL THE CHAPTER OF Rev 5 NO!!!

    WHERE IS THE FATHER.???

    Yes the Father is mentioned.

    Rev 5:1   And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

    This is God, sitting on the throne. No one else  
    (More detail in Ch 4 describing God's throne)

    Rev 5:6   And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain,….

    Rev 5:8   And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them, harps, and golden vials full of doors, which are the prayers of the saints.

    Can you see this now?  God sitting on his throne with the book in his right hand.  The Lamb takes the book out of God's right hand.

    Rev 1:1   The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.

    God gave this revelation to Jesus Christ, which showed it unto his angel, which showed it unto John.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:57 am#300803
    journey42
    Participant

    carmel,June wrote:

    IS THE FATHER MENTIONED IN ALL THE CHAPTER OF Rev 5 NO!!!

    WHERE IS THE FATHER.???

    IS THE SON MENTIONED AS SON IN ALL THE CHAPTER OF REV: 5  NO!!!

    SO WHAT'S WRONG IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT MENTIONED AS WELL.

    My question remain the same and you don't have an answer to it so read again and reflect.

    whoever has a will MUST BE A PERSON

    WILL IS AN ATTRIBUTE OF A PERSON.

    I WILL SHOW YOU MORE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON WHICH BELONG TO THE PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OTHER POSTS IN THE MEANTIME YOU SUPPLY ME WITH A CONTRADICTION THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A PERSON IN SCRIPTURE!!

    WE ARE ALL HERE TO RECEIVE LIGHT SO GIVE ME SOME LIGHT FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!!

    1 Corinthians 12:11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    Charles

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    IS THE SON MENTIONED AS SON IN ALL THE CHAPTER OF REV: 5  NO!!!

    We know the who the Lamb is.  We know he is the Son.  We've used all the information in the scriptures to put this together.  By the time we've studied and reached revelations, we are weaned of the milk and on to solids now.  The foundation is already laid.

    John 1:36   And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

    1 Peter 1:19   But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    Anyone who picks up revelations first without studying the new testament first will never understand it. The foundation must be laid first.

    June 4, 2012 at 7:59 am#300804
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 04 2012,18:57)


    Charles

    I messed up that layout.

    June 4, 2012 at 8:24 am#300805
    journey42
    Participant

    carmel,June wrote:

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    Hi Charles

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    SO WHAT'S WRONG IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT MENTIONED AS WELL.

    This is an important event.  No man was worthy enough to open the seals.  Only the lamb was worthy.  This is a big event, and all those around the throne were witnesses.  If the holy spirit was a person, then he would be there and mentioned?  Every witness there was mentioned.

    June 4, 2012 at 8:58 am#300807
    journey42
    Participant

    Charles

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    My question remain the same and you don't have an answer to it so read again and reflect.

    whoever has a will MUST BE A PERSON

    WILL IS AN ATTRIBUTE OF A PERSON.

    God has a will and he a person?

    John 4:24   God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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    WILL SHOW YOU MORE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON WHICH BELONG TO THE PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OTHER POSTS

    IN THE MEANTIME YOU SUPPLY ME WITH A CONTRADICTION THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A PERSON IN SCRIPTURE!!

    This is the best information we have in the scriptures showing us what the holy spirit is.

    John 14:15   If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    John 14:16   And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another comforter that he may abide with you forever.

    John 14:17   Even the spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth in you, and shall be in you.

    John 14:26   But the comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you

    Comforter=holy ghost
    Spirit of truth=holy ghost

    Spirit of truth… not… spirit of a person
    God is spirit and his spirit is truth
    this spirit comes straight from God
    not a separate spirit, floating around,
    but God's spirit, a direct link to him, a helping hand,
    a gift to understand his speech and know him in depth,
    how he operates, his will, his whole plan from beginning to end.
    for those only who love him and keep his commandments.

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    WE ARE ALL HERE TO RECEIVE LIGHT SO GIVE ME SOME LIGHT FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!!


    With pleasure, not with boasting or arrogance, but for the love of the truth, and the brethren.

    June 4, 2012 at 11:02 pm#300846
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Hi journey,

    I have really been enjoying your posts. Good stuff! :)

    June 5, 2012 at 7:08 am#300893
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2012,10:02)
    Hi journey,

    I have really been enjoying your posts.  Good stuff!  :)


    thank you so much Mike

    June 5, 2012 at 7:43 am#300897
    kerwin
    Participant

    Journey;

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    Christ and his saints will ruling as kings and priests.

    Revelation 1
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
    4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
    5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
    6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Revelation 5
    King James Version (KJV)

    8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Jesus the Anointed is king of all things in heaven and on earth but the singers, who John calls “he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein”, shall reign on earth even as Adam was commanded to do.

    June 5, 2012 at 7:44 am#300898
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2012,05:00)
    Don't divert from the point, Ed.  The point is:  When, in the last three years, have you ever referred to ME as “the spirit of Mike”?


    Hi Mike,

    You mean in 2½ years, right?     …not more than a few, I only have used the term in analogies.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    June 5, 2012 at 7:47 am#300899
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 04 2012,15:35)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2012,06:57)
    Hi J,
    Teachers in the kingdom?
    Priests and rulers according to Jesus.
    But the JWs have their own doctrines on many matters.


    Yes Nick

    The kingdom will be set up on Christ's return.
    It will be set up in Jerusalem.
    You know about the millennium, you wrote a post about it.
    Christ and his saints will ruling as kings and priests.  Ruling who? and what does a priest do?

    What does this have to do with J'W's?


    Hi Georgie,

    God's kingdom has been set up since “Pentecost“; do you not believe this?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    June 5, 2012 at 7:49 am#300900
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ June 04 2012,16:11)
    are not you a truly man? yes or no?

    anyone could answer this question


    Hi Jammin,

    Yes, and what is your point?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    PS. Your grammar is that of a forth grader.

    June 5, 2012 at 7:58 am#300910
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    The kingdom was begun before that.
    Lk 16.16

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