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  • May 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm#297766
    carmel
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    Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:42)

    Quote (carmel @ May 13 2012,04:02)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2012,18:03)

    Hi Charles,

    John 1:1-3 is referring exclusively to the “HolySpirit” of GOD.
    Since the HolySpirit of GOD is “The Word” of GOD, it is the
    Spirit of GOD that comes forth out of the mouth of GOD.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj,

    ReAD,

    THE HOLY  SPIRIT OF GOD IS THE POWER.

    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    peace and love in Jesus(  THE ONLY WORD OF GOD)


    Hi Charles, (John 1:14 refers to Jesus' baptism with “The Word”, GOD's “HolySpirit”: see 2Cor.5:19 and Acts 10:38)

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
    pared     with the glory which shall be revealed in us    . (Romans 8:18)

    The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
    incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
    that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
    incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Edj, Notice :

    not of corruptible seed like Adam since Adam was ex Lucifer's substance therefore contained the original sin.

    but of incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    although through creation as well still sinless but through the generations of heavens, the lineage which the Holy Spirit created through SETH derived through JESUS' SPIRIT

    IN ORDER TO :

    Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
    that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    May 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm#297775
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Charles, you still haven't addressed this part…

    The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
    pared     with the glory which shall be revealed in us    . (Romans 8:18)

    John 1:14 refers to Jesus' baptism with “The Word”, GOD's “HolySpirit”. (see 2Cor.5:19 and Acts 10:38)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    May 13, 2012 at 4:36 pm#297778
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:27)
    Hi Charles, you still haven't addressed this part…

    The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
    pared     with the glory which shall be revealed in us    . (Romans 8:18)

    John 1:14 refers to Jesus' baptism with “The Word”, GOD's “HolySpirit”. (see 2Cor.5:19 and Acts 10:38)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    that is not the topic here boyLOL

    May 13, 2012 at 4:46 pm#297786
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    The off topic cry is a cry to avoid facing “The Truth”.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    May 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm#297809
    jammin
    Participant

    make your own thread. a true xtian knows how to follow rules

    May 13, 2012 at 5:21 pm#297816
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:13)
    make your own thread. a true xtian knows how to follow rules


    What is an xtian?

    May 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm#297820
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    I remember when it was fashionable to call Christmas “X-mas”. But then many Christians thought it disrespectful to take the “Christ” out of “Christmas”.

    I'm quite sure jammin doesn't mean disrespect to his Lord, but I thought I'd add my two cents anyway.

    May 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm#297825
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:21)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:13)
    make your own thread. a true xtian knows how to follow rules


    What is an xtian?


    xtian means christian

    May 13, 2012 at 5:33 pm#297827
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:25)
    I remember when it was fashionable to call Christmas “X-mas”.  But then many Christians thought it disrespectful to take the “Christ” out of “Christmas”.

    I'm quite sure jammin doesn't mean disrespect to his Lord, but I thought I'd add my two cents anyway.


    the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ

    May 13, 2012 at 5:33 pm#297829
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?

    May 13, 2012 at 5:44 pm#297838
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian

    May 13, 2012 at 5:54 pm#297843
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)

    May 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm#297846
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 14 2012,02:35)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:51)

    Quote (carmel @ May 13 2012,05:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 12 2012,18:52)

    Quote (carmel @ May 12 2012,17:44)
    Edj,

    AND THAT WAS THE END OF JESUS’ SPIRIT. FINISHED. SACRIFICED.

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles


    Hi Charles, (see also Psalm 31:5)

    If there was no place for his spirit to go, why did Jesus say this?
    Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice,
    he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit:
    and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Edj,

    Be honest or else simply quit.

    Read my post again:

    AND THAT WAS THE END OF JESUS’ SPIRIT. FINISHED. SACRIFICED.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
    CHARLES


    Hi Charles,

    But it wasn't the end of Jesus' spirit.    …why are you saying that LIE ?

    “The spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” (Eccl 12:7)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    But it wasn't the end of Jesus' spirit.    …why are you saying that LIE ?

    “The spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” (Eccl 12:

    Edj,

    Sometimes it's like talking to a child with you,

    A SPIRIT COULD NEVER END, SIMPLY TRANSFORM INTO ANOTHER SUBSTANCE BUT SINCE IT IS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL STATE , AUTOMATICALLY IT FINISHES BUT STILL EXISTS

    WHEN I SAID FINISHED I MEANT FROM THAT PARTICULAR FUNCTION WHICH ENDED AS MARY'S BODY. SO JESUS SPIRIT ENDED HIS SPIRITUAL FUNCTION IN CREATION AS MARY.

    I SAID IN ANOTHER POST THAT  ONE PROCESS OF CREATION WAS TO ESTABLISH MARY'S FLESH BODY  DIRECTLY FROM JESUS' SPIRIT. THE HOLY LINEAGE OF THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVENS. THE POSITIVE FORCE

    It’s common sense ,Mary could only be born directly through Jesus spirit THROUGH CREATION with the power of the Holy Spirit from the Father, IN ORDER TO BE SINNLESS.

    NOT THROUGH THE GENERATIONS OF EARTH WHICH WERE THE  SINFULL REBELIOUS ANGELS TRANSFORMED INTO CREATION ITSELF, MATTER THEREFORE HUMANS. THE NEGATIVE FORCE

    Jesus spirit still exist but not as emanated from the Father but TRANSFORMED

    as spiritual creatures,

    as carnal creatures,

    as souls

    and as cosmos

    on the last day

    the cosmos would definitely end for ever but there will be a new spiritual world ANOTHER TRANSFORMATION OF JESUS’SPIRIT

    THE NEW JERUSALEM WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE ENTIRE CREATION BOTH SPIRITUAL AND MATTER IN ONE BODY.

    NOW THAT BODY IS THE ORIGIN OF JESUS' SPIRIT

    THIS JESUS' SPIRIT ALTHOUGH THE FATHER CREATED ALL THE HEAVENS BY HIM,AND LEFT THE FATHER TO CREATE OUR EARTH ALSO BY HIM,HE STILL MAINTANED HIS DIVINITY WITH THE FATHER.

    THEREFORE, AS I SAID JESUS ACQUIRED BACK HIS ORIGINAL SPIRIT (THE FATHER'S) IN THE WOMB OF MARY THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    THAT'S WHY IN JOHN 17 :5 HE SAID

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    THIS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THE SPIRIT WHICH LEFT THE FATHER TO CREATE OUR WORLD  WAS ONLY IN THE HIS SOUL ,AND BODY AND THE SPIRIT WAS OF THE FATHER IN ORDER TO BE GOD MAN ON EARTH.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES


    Hi Charles,

    THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    May 13, 2012 at 6:08 pm#297852
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:54)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    i know that edj boy LOL

    i was talking about latin and not greek LOL

    May 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm#297862
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:54)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    i know that edj boy LOL

    i was talking about latin and not greek LOL


    Christ: in Latin is Christi

    May 13, 2012 at 6:29 pm#297866
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,05:24)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:54)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    i know that edj boy LOL

    i was talking about latin and not greek LOL


    Christ: in Latin is Christi


    christus is the latin for christ.

    meaning christian
    the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xtian

    if you dont want to accept this,, make your own dictionary boy LOL
    :D

    May 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm#297886
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,05:24)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:54)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    i know that edj boy LOL

    i was talking about latin and not greek LOL


    Christ: in Latin is Christi


    christus is the latin for christ.

    meaning christian
    the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xtian

    if you dont want to accept this,, make your own dictionary boy LOL
    :D


    Hi Jammin,

    You hate being proven wrong, don't you. :D

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    May 13, 2012 at 9:03 pm#297909
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:27)
    Hi Charles, you still haven't addressed this part…

    The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
    pared     with the glory which shall be revealed in us    . (Romans 8:18)

    John 1:14 refers to Jesus' baptism with “The Word”, GOD's “HolySpirit”. (see 2Cor.5:19 and Acts 10:38)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Quote
    Hi Charles, you still haven't addressed this part…

    The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
    pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

    John 1:14 refers to Jesus' baptism with “The Word”, GOD's “HolySpirit”. (see 2Cor.5:19 and Acts 10:38)

    Edj,

    To clarify:

    The Word of the oath,

    has to different references.

    THE OATH WHICH THE HUMAN PRIEST IS CONSECRATED WITH. SO IT IS ALL SINFULL HUMAN
    THEREFORE THE PRIEST PROCESS IS CORRUPTED.

    AND THE OATH WHICH JESUS WAS ALWAYS ETERNALLY CONSECRATED THROUGH THE FATHER :

    Psalm 110:4, “The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent. Thou art a priest forever after the order of MELCHISEDEC.”

    MELCHISEDEC IS USED TO PROVE THAT IT IS ETERNAL SINCE MELCHISEDEC HAD NO BEGINNING OR END.

    NOW REGARDING JOHN 1:14

    John 1:14 refers to Jesus' baptism with “The Word”, GOD's “HolySpirit”

    IN MY PREVIOUS POST I SAID THAT ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS EMANATED FROM THE FATHER HE STILL MAINTANED HIS DIVINITY WITH THE FATHER.

    SO: THE WORD OF GOD AS A SPIRIT ( THE SON)WAS WITH THE FATHER, THROUGH THIS SAME WORD THE FATHER CREATED THE SPIRITUAL REALMS.SIMPLY SPOKEN.

    THIS SAME WORD WAS EMANATED FROM THE FATHER TO CREATE OUR CREATION. SO THIS WORD BECAME PHISYCAL, NOT JUST SPOKEN, THIS HAPPENED IN ORDER TO BECOME FLESH.

    now this word became flesh but was not yet officially powerful AS IT WAS SPIRITUALLY!

    Through John the Baptist this word in flesh received officially its original power through the Holy Ghost from the Father in order to be powerful when it is pronounced.

    SO THE WORD BECAME POWERFUL BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND CARNALLY SPOKEN through the HOLY GHOST.

    SO THE HOLY GHOST WAS TO SUPPLY THE POWER FROM THE FATHER TO HIS SON (THE WORD)ON EARTH TO MANIFEST THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD ALMIGHTY, WHILE THE FATHER REMAINED IN HEAVEN.

    REGARDING: the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

    If I understand right, we cannot  compare our future glorification with Jesus glorification, for the simple reason that Jesus glorified through His Father, and we would eventually glorify through the Son.

    Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
    that we should be a KIND OF FIRST FRUITS of his creatures. (James 1:18)

    SO A KIND OF FIRST FRUITS,SINCE JESUS WAS MAN LIKE US. BUT THOSE WHO WOULD NOT SUCCEED IN DOING SO, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER PROCESS IN THIS SAME WORLD GOVERENED BY THE MEEK.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    May 14, 2012 at 3:23 am#297985
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,06:15)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,05:24)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:54)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    i know that edj boy LOL

    i was talking about latin and not greek LOL


    Christ: in Latin is Christi


    christus is the latin for christ.

    meaning christian
    the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xtian

    if you dont want to accept this,, make your own dictionary boy LOL
    :D


    Hi Jammin,

    You hate being proven wrong, don't you. :D

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    i said, if you dont believe what the dictionary says, then make your own dictionary boy LOL

    May 14, 2012 at 4:24 am#298004
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,14:23)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,06:15)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,05:24)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:54)

    Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:33)
    Are you saying the literal Latin WORD for “christ” is “x”?


    comes from latin
    an abbreviation for christian


    Latin? You don't know any Greek, do you?

    [Jesus(74)] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).

    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    i know that edj boy LOL

    i was talking about latin and not greek LOL


    Christ: in Latin is Christi


    christus is the latin for christ.

    meaning christian
    the x comes from latin and is the latin letter for christ, i.e. x-tian means christ-tian or christian

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xtian

    if you dont want to accept this,, make your own dictionary boy LOL
    :D


    Hi Jammin,

    You hate being proven wrong, don't you. :D

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    i said, if you dont believe what the dictionary says, then make your own dictionary boy LOL


    Hi Jammin,

    Yes, that is what you always say,
    but that just illustrates your hypocrisy.

    Because if someone did that, you wouldn't believe it anyway;
    Yet, you do believe what others have done exactly in that very regard!

    Good day
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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