Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,13:57)

Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,11:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:20)

Hi Jammin,
Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

that is right nick. he was in the form of GOD but emptied himself etc.

now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges
he took the humble position of a slave
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,

Hi Jammin,

Emptied himself? is no-where to be found in God's word, so your point is moot.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ill repeat
now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

May 10, 2012 at 11:47 am#297242

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Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,21:36)

Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,13:57)

Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,11:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:20)

Hi Jammin,
Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

that is right nick. he was in the form of GOD but emptied himself etc.

now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

Hi Jammin,

Emptied himself? is no-where to be found in God's word, so your point is moot.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ill repeat
now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself
of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even
the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:” (Phil 2:6-9)

May 10, 2012 at 3:33 pm#297251

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Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,22:47)

Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,21:36)

Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,13:57)

Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,11:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:20)

Hi Jammin,
Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

that is right nick. he was in the form of GOD but emptied himself etc.

now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

Hi Jammin,

Emptied himself? is no-where to be found in God's word, so your point is moot.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ill repeat
now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

that happened when he became a man, after his death

follow the context boy LOL

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself
of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even
the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:” (Phil 2:6-9)

BUT BEFORE THAT HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD! MEANS HE IS GOD BY NATURE!

Philippians 2:6

Amplified Bible (AMP)

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],

May 10, 2012 at 4:56 pm#297252

carmel

Participant

Hi all,

Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

What about verse 11

Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Can any of you define

to the glory of God the Father

To me it is equivalent to :

TO THE STATE OF GOD THE FATHER, till the last day of the lord Jesus Christ,then from that moment of that day HE WOULD BE GOD THE FATHER GLORIFIED IN JESUS' BODY.AND JESUS' SPIRIT WOULD BE IN THE SAME GLORY AS HE WAS BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word ( JESUS) be, which shall go forth from my mouth:(EMANATED AS A SPIRIT) IT SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME VOID, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall PROSPER in the things for which I sent it.( THEREFORE CREATED ALL,GLORIFIED, ESTABLISHED GOD'S SPIRIT WITHIN OUR CREATION THROUGH HIS BODY IN THE CHURCH,AND HE IS THE HEAD,AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD )

Also in Jude 1:4……………….,turning the grace of our God( THE FATHER) into lasciviousness, and denying ( JESUS CHRIST)the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

THEREFORE Jesus is the only Lord God,

peace and love in Jesus.

Charles

May 10, 2012 at 5:55 pm#297253

Participant

Hi Jammin,
What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?

May 10, 2012 at 5:56 pm#297254

Participant

Hi Jammin,
WAS He still a god with his own powers who did not need anointing with the Holy Spirit and power?

May 11, 2012 at 12:40 am#297295

Blocked

Quote (carmel @ May 10 2012,10:56)

Also in Jude 1:4……………….,turning the grace of our God( THE FATHER) into lasciviousness, and denying ( JESUS CHRIST)the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

THEREFORE Jesus is the only Lord God,

It seems to me that Jude mentions TWO Lords in that verse, Charles. One of them is called “the only Lord God”, and the OTHER one is called “our Lord Jesus Christ”.

The word “and” seems to distinguish Jesus as a DIFFERENT Lord than the One called “the only Lord God”.

May 11, 2012 at 1:11 am#297298

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2012,20:54)

Hi MB,
Do you really not know that Jesus of Nazareth was put to death?
If you do not understand the Spirit of Christ do you have the Spirit?

Nick,

I responded to this post, but then moved my response to the “Pre-existence” thread, so as not to derail this thread anymore than we already have.

May 11, 2012 at 1:42 am#297304

Participant

Hi,
Jesus Christ has gone to his God and our God.[jn20]

May 11, 2012 at 2:11 am#297309

Blocked

That's right, Nick. He ascended to where he was before.

May 11, 2012 at 2:15 am#297313

Participant

Hi MB,
In a sense yes.
The Word that he is one with was with God.

May 11, 2012 at 2:33 am#297328

Blocked

Nonsense, Nick.

May 11, 2012 at 2:34 am#297329

Participant

Hi MB,
So YOU say

May 11, 2012 at 3:49 am#297347

Participant

Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,02:33)

follow the context boy LOL

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself
of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even
the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:” (Phil 2:6-9)

BUT BEFORE THAT HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD! MEANS HE IS GOD BY NATURE!

Philippians 2:6

Amplified Bible (AMP)

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],

Hi Jammin,

Nature doesn't make one GOD,
we have already established this. (Matt.18:16)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 11, 2012 at 3:59 am#297352

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Quote (carmel @ May 11 2012,03:56)

Hi all,

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word ( JESUS) be, which shall go forth from my mouth:(EMANATED AS A SPIRIT) IT SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME VOID, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall PROSPER in the things for which I sent it.( THEREFORE CREATED ALL,GLORIFIED, ESTABLISHED GOD'S SPIRIT WITHIN OUR CREATION THROUGH HIS BODY IN THE CHURCH,AND HE IS THE HEAD,AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.THEREFORE JESUS IS GOD )

peace and love in Jesus.
Charles

Hi Charles,

You believe Isa 55:11 is about Jesus,
where YHVH speaks of “His word”?
I ask for clarification purposes.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 11, 2012 at 4:08 am#297356

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Quote (carmel @ May 11 2012,03:56)

Hi all,

Also in Jude 1:4……………….,turning the grace of our God( THE FATHER) into lasciviousness, and denying ( JESUS CHRIST)the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

peace and love in Jesus.
Charles

Hi Charles,

Do you believe if OTHERS DON'T see things as you do,
it amounts to denying Jesus Christ as Lord?
I ask for clarification purposes.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 11, 2012 at 4:10 am#297357

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,04:55)

Hi Jammin,
What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?

I'd like to know what they are as well. …well Jammin, what are they?

May 11, 2012 at 4:23 am#297363

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,14:49)

Quote (jammin @ May 11 2012,02:33)

follow the context boy LOL

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself
of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even
the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:” (Phil 2:6-9)

BUT BEFORE THAT HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD! MEANS HE IS GOD BY NATURE!

Philippians 2:6

Amplified Bible (AMP)

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],

Hi Jammin,

Nature doesn't make one GOD,
we have already established this. (Matt.18:16)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

read the context boy and you will know the true meaning if the verse

May 11, 2012 at 4:28 am#297365

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Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,15:10)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,04:55)

Hi Jammin,
What are these DIVINE PRIVILEGES?

I'd like to know what they are as well. …well Jammin, what are they?

form of a servant, of our own race, to serve his father. The divine glory was exchanged for human lowliness.

May 11, 2012 at 4:41 am#297370