Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

Participant

Hi Nick,

That will probably be just another question he will choose to duck,
as he does with all the questions that he doesn't want to address.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

May 9, 2012 at 9:32 pm#297159

carmel

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:20)

Hi Jammin,
Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

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Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

Nick,

Jesus before became man He served God in creating our world.

Jesus before became man He served God in creating our souls.

Jesus before became man He served God by EMTYING HIMSELF to create Mary's body.

Jesus was a servant before He became man.

So when He became man He was both a servant,and in the form of God.

He became man to fulfill all what He served for throughout the OT.

He became man to serve us eliminating Satan's spirit from within our souls.

He became man to glorify to a higher state to serve the Father, and become ONE with HIM as His dwelling for eternity.

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

May 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm#297160

Participant

Hi Charles,
You mean the Spirit of Christ Jesus?

May 10, 2012 at 12:32 am#297175

jammin

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:20)

Hi Jammin,
Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

that is right nick. he was in the form of GOD but emptied himself etc.

now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges
he took the humble position of a slave
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,

May 10, 2012 at 12:34 am#297176

jammin

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ May 09 2012,22:13)

Hi Jammin,

You're using terms that we DO NOT KNOW how you're defining?
What does “God by nature” even mean? Will you
define your use of this term for us?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

God by nature means he's GOD!

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.

that's what the bible says

May 10, 2012 at 12:35 am#297177

jammin

Participant

nature means inherent or essential qualities or attributes

GOD means supreme being

May 10, 2012 at 1:22 am#297179

Blocked

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2012,15:39)

Hi Charles,
You mean the Spirit of Christ Jesus?

Nick,

Phil 2:5-8 teaches that whoever was existing in the form of God is the same one who died on a cross.

So unless “the Spirit of Christ Jesus” died on a cross, you have some wires crossed somewhere.

May 10, 2012 at 1:26 am#297181

Participant

Hi MB,
Indeed Christ Jesus died on the cross when his own human spirit left him.
Did you not know the Spirit of Christ is of the Holy Spirit and abides despite death?

Perhaps you believe God is mortal?

May 10, 2012 at 1:50 am#297190

Blocked

No, I don't believe God is mortal. But I believe God's Son emptied himself of the form of God in which he was existing, and was made into a mortal human being and died for our sins.

Can “the Spirit of Christ” die, Nick? If it cannot, then Phil 2:5-8 is NOT about “the Spirit of Christ”, but about the PERSON Jesus Christ, who was with God in the beginnning, but then became flesh and dwelled among us with the glory of God's only begotten.

May 10, 2012 at 1:56 am#297191

Participant

Hi MB,
So your master did not survive death??

You still do not grasp the unity between Jesus and the Spirit of Christ.

Jesus Christ died but lives.

May 10, 2012 at 2:12 am#297195

Blocked

Yep, the man Jesus Christ died. But “the Spirit of the Anointing” did not die, right?

The subject of the teaching in Phil 2:5-8 is the one who DID die, Nick. The one who died is the one who was existing in the form of God before being made into a human being.

May 10, 2012 at 2:14 am#297196

Participant

Hi MB,
Indeed CHRIST Jesus was.
But Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

May 10, 2012 at 2:17 am#297198

Participant

Hi MB,
Do you think your lord worked in his lesser god powers?

May 10, 2012 at 2:29 am#297204

Blocked

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2012,20:14)

Hi MB,
Indeed CHRIST Jesus was.
But Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

No Nick,

The very one who DIED is the very one who was existing in the form of God before being made into a human being.

So who died, Nick? The PERSON Jesus Christ? Or “the Spirit of the Anointing”? Which one?

May 10, 2012 at 2:45 am#297206

Participant

Quote (carmel @ May 10 2012,08:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:20)

Hi Jammin,
Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

Quote

Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

Nick,

(1)Jesus before became man He served God in creating our world.

(2)Jesus before became man He served God in creating our souls.

(3)Jesus before became man He served God by EMTYING HIMSELF to create Mary's body.

(4)Jesus was a servant before He became man.

(5)So when He became man He was both a servant,and in the form of God.

(6)He became man to fulfill all what He served for throughout the OT.

(7)He became man to serve us eliminating Satan's spirit from within our souls.

(8)He became man to glorify to a higher state to serve the Father, and become ONE with HIM as His dwelling for eternity.

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

Hi Jammin,

1) There's no record of this?
2) There's no record of this?
3) There's no record of this?
4) There's no record of this?
5) He was in the form of GOD as a human?
6) What?
7) Agreed!
8) There's no record of this?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 10, 2012 at 2:52 am#297207

Participant

Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,11:34)

Quote (Ed J @ May 09 2012,22:13)

Hi Jammin,

You're using terms that we DO NOT KNOW how you're defining?
What does “God by nature” even mean? Will you
define your use of this term for us?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

God by nature means he's GOD!

Hi Jammin,

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Here's the list of my terms…
GOD: the creator of the universe.
NATURE: the physical world collectively.
I will be referring to my terms in our discussions.

Creator of the universe by the physical world collectively?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 10, 2012 at 2:54 am#297208

Participant

Hi MB,
Do you really not know that Jesus of Nazareth was put to death?
If you do not understand the Spirit of Christ do you have the Spirit?

May 10, 2012 at 2:57 am#297209

Participant

Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,11:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,06:20)

Hi Jammin,
Christ Jesus was in the form of God but emptied himself taking the form of a servant.
Was he still in the form of God?

that is right nick. he was in the form of GOD but emptied himself etc.

now the question is, what is the meaning of he emptied himself?
he emptied not his deity, but he gave up his divine privileges

Philippians 2:6-7

New Living Translation (NLT)

Hi Jammin,

Emptied himself? is no-where to be found in God's word, so your point is moot.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 10, 2012 at 3:04 am#297211

Participant

Quote (jammin @ May 10 2012,11:35)

NATURE: means inherent or essential qualities or attributes

GOD: means supreme being

Hi Jammin,

Thanks for defining these terms!
I will use your definitions when I
discuss biblical matters with you.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

May 10, 2012 at 3:40 am#297220